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Although I am less enthusiastic about ANOTHER 1911, I LOVE to see the growth of the number of companies producing 10mm's. A few years ago the only active companies were Tanfoglio, Glock and Kimber (and the 610 revolver) now we are in the double digits.
We need S&W to jump in. We need more 610's and a new S&W semi auto 10mm platform. Springfield too.
Quote from: Patriot on January 09 2017 09:59:56 PM MST
Although I am less enthusiastic about ANOTHER 1911, I LOVE to see the growth of the number of companies producing 10mm's. A few years ago the only active companies were Tanfoglio, Glock and Kimber (and the 610 revolver) now we are in the double digits.
We need S&W to jump in. We need more 610's and a new S&W semi auto 10mm platform. Springfield too.
Coonan is really not a 1911. It incorporates a linkless design and a pivoting trigger, both features I like in my Coonan.
The slide/barrel lock up is accomplished with a single 1911 type lug. I am less than enthusiastic about that feature but I guess it has worked for them.
I wish they would use the same type of lockup that Glock or Sig are using on the ejection port.
I believe that their price is high compared to the other producers also. Their 357's are really a blast to shoot.
Now if they will do a 10mm magnum that would be sweet!!
I have written Coonan several times about producing a 10mm Magnum version and even a conversion barrel chambered for the 9x30 Dillon. They only wrote back once. While neither cartridge is commercially available yet, they are easy cartridges to handload. Underwood would probably jump on that bandwagon with the 10mm Magnum and Starline still makes the brass...
Being on Facebook, I see many companies posting their pistols on their FB pages, and I continuously post how sad it is the don't produce a pistol chambered for 10mm. This is especially a mission I do with S&W, VLTOR (about no Bren Ten), Springfield, even Ruger & Marlin. In fact that company (Ranger Point Precision LLC) that converts the Marlin Lever to 10mm made a response to my post.
Just glad to see new offerings making their way to market.
Quote from: BEEMER! on January 10 2017 06:37:39 AM MST
Quote from: Patriot on January 09 2017 09:59:56 PM MST
Although I am less enthusiastic about ANOTHER 1911, I LOVE to see the growth of the number of companies producing 10mm's. A few years ago the only active companies were Tanfoglio, Glock and Kimber (and the 610 revolver) now we are in the double digits.
We need S&W to jump in. We need more 610's and a new S&W semi auto 10mm platform. Springfield too.
Coonan is really not a 1911. It incorporates a linkless design and a pivoting trigger, both features I like in my Coonan.
The slide/barrel lock up is accomplished with a single 1911 type lug. I am less than enthusiastic about that feature but I guess it has worked for them.
I wish they would use the same type of lockup that Glock or Sig are using on the ejection port.
I believe that their price is high compared to the other producers also. Their 357's are really a blast to shoot.
They consider their firearms a 1911. In their FAQ, one of the questions is "Is this really a 1911 design?" and their answer is YES. They list 18 out of 24 parts are directly interchangeable with 1911's.
Grip safety, small magazine capacity and single action. It's an obsolete design that modern gun manufacturers should abandon. To me, 14-15 round capacity and double action should be STANDARD in a 10mm. Besides Glock, Sig and Tanfoglio every other 10mm option is a 1911 and that needs to change. Not to mention the $1,500-$6,000 price tags for these guns that are safe queens.
I have spoke to many American firearm designers in person. From all of the major manufacturers. They are all biased. They don't want to produce anything that can be better than their .45acp. They can't bring themselves to admit the 10mm is a superior cartridge, so they stick the 10mm in guns that limit the 10mm to .45acp standards, in particular the 1911 design. They are afraid to put the 10mm into something like an XD because of how well it will perform.
Quote from: Patriot on January 10 2017 12:53:36 PM MST
Quote from: BEEMER! on January 10 2017 06:37:39 AM MST
Quote from: Patriot on January 09 2017 09:59:56 PM MST
Although I am less enthusiastic about ANOTHER 1911, I LOVE to see the growth of the number of companies producing 10mm's. A few years ago the only active companies were Tanfoglio, Glock and Kimber (and the 610 revolver) now we are in the double digits.
We need S&W to jump in. We need more 610's and a new S&W semi auto 10mm platform. Springfield too.
Coonan is really not a 1911. It incorporates a linkless design and a pivoting trigger, both features I like in my Coonan.
The slide/barrel lock up is accomplished with a single 1911 type lug. I am less than enthusiastic about that feature but I guess it has worked for them.
I wish they would use the same type of lockup that Glock or Sig are using on the ejection port.
I believe that their price is high compared to the other producers also. Their 357's are really a blast to shoot.
They consider their firearms a 1911. In their FAQ, one of the questions is "Is this really a 1911 design?" and their answer is YES. They list 18 out of 24 parts are directly interchangeable with 1911's.
Grip safety, small magazine capacity and single action. It's an obsolete design that modern gun manufacturers should abandon. To me, 14-15 round capacity and double action should be STANDARD in a 10mm. Besides Glock, Sig and Tanfoglio every other 10mm option is a 1911 and that needs to change. Not to mention the $1,500-$6,000 price tags for these guns that are safe queens.
I have spoke to many American firearm designers in person. From all of the major manufacturers. They are all biased. They don't want to produce anything that can be better than their .45acp. They can't bring themselves to admit the 10mm is a superior cartridge, so they stick the 10mm in guns that limit the 10mm to .45acp standards, in particular the 1911 design. They are afraid to put the 10mm into something like an XD because of how well it will perform.
There is certainly a place for your "Ideal Gun" and everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I really think that you are in a very small minority of people who require those features.
For a pistol of your specs to "take off" either a Law Enforcement Agency or a millitary organization would need to adopt it and that just is not going to happen in my opinion. Remember the FBI.
As far as the 1911 being unable to handle the 10mm, I guess that is not my opinion either. But I am not the kind to hand weigh every load to get that last bit of velocity out of it in a handgun. I used to do that with rifle and it was fun but not necessary.
Why are we pushing the 10mm this hard? Are we trying to get 30" of penetration instead of 28"?
Their are some interesting "big hand" pistols out there such as the Coonan, Desert Eagle and Grizzly. It's just a darn shame it seems the size of them seems bigger than it has to be. I know the cartridges are generally longer, but I always thought they could be built a little more compact.
I am actually wondering if they designed it big and beefy in order to handle a steady diet of heavy 10mm.
I think the two mentioned here 9mm/10mm are just based of the 1911 platform and not the larger version which houses the .357 Magnum version. I don't hear about any 1911 failures in 10mm, which these should be par for the course in 10mm.
Do we know people who are actually shooting these? As far as not hearing about failures I mean...
I think we had someone here that talked about one about a year ago. Long ago when I perused websites looking at posts on them, people had been shooting them for years without issue.
Oh okay...which caliber? Might have been a typo in your post?
.357 Magnum. I don't think they offered the 9mm/10mm up to this point.
Oh hell yes
I have been shooting a Coonan 357 for a couple of years with zero failures. It is a fun gun to shoot and I find accuracy to be OK.
They brought out the 45 acp version last year and it appears to be on the same frame as the 357 to me meaning larger grips. For the money, I think there are much better choices in 45 ACP than the Coonan.
I have the same opinion of the upcoming 10mm as I do the 45 ACP, too much money for what you are getting.
The 9mm makes no sense to me unless I am missing something new about it.
If Springfield would bring out a 10mm I hope they don't use the 2 piece chamber/barrel like my 45. I think that would just be scary.