Okay, first things first... First post and first 10mm. Grand Power P40 10mm.
After watching a whole day of youtube videos and a couple of beers, I realized that I wanted a 10mm... no, check that.... I _NEEDED_ a 10mm! With the help of some enablers on this and other sites, I settled on a Grand Power P40D (decocker model) from Centerfireguns for $642 + $7 for insured shipping. Service from Centerfireguns was excellent and the gun was shipped promptly to my FFL. The FFL I picked it up from wasn't too impressed and made some remarks about those he handled in the past as being prone to breaking; I dismissed his comments as questionable since I could tell by his gaged out ear lobes he had made a few bad decisions in the past.
P40D ergonomics:
I have to say this gun does not fit my hand very well. I can't operate the safety/decocker without adjusting my grip. I don't think I could carry it because of this. And it's weird too. Up is safe for cocked and locked; middle position is fire; and down is decocked. Once in the decock position it stays there unless you push it back up, but in this position the gun always runs DA, which brings me to the next point...
Trigger pull in DA is atrocious; it's heavy and long. This may be further compounded by my trigger finger not fully on the pad due to the grip size and trigger position in DA. I tried DA at the range and almost immediately switched back to cocked-and-locked.
Trigger pull in SA is quite good; it's light (~4 lbs) and the reset is short. It's not as good as a decent 1911 trigger, but it's pretty good and far better than any striker fired trigger I've shot (disclaimer: I've not fired a PPQ but I hear those are great).
The safety/decocker lever needs a thumb self. It's flat on the decocker model which makes it harder to operate -- at least for me. I wonder if I can swap out the safety with the non-decocker model? Anyone know?
Disassembly/Reassembly: God awful. Seriously bad. The designer should be found and punished -- I'm guessing he's in hiding after inflicting the world with this system, I would be. I can only imagine that the designer was a mutant with 3 hands because that's what needed to do the reassembly. If you watch videos they seem to gloss over this aspect, cutting the video just after fumbling while trying to do the reassembly. I noticed that all those models have shorter and, presumably, lighter recoil spring than the 10mm version. The 10mm spring is much longer, like twice as long as the one in the review videos for even the 45, which makes it very hard to get the slide back on. I was expecting something like the 45 reassembly experience, but got the reassembly from hell.
Shooting Experience:
First range visit with this gun and only had Armscor 180gn, 100 rounds. Function was fine and brass landed over my right shoulder about 3 to 4 feet back. One anomaly, however, was that somehow the magazine dropped free while shooting on 3 occasions. Not sure what's up with that; I really don't know if I hit the magazine release or not.
The gun was a soft shooter. Much less impressive than my 1911s shooting heavy loads (230gn @ 1000fps). Truthfully, however, I don't know if that was the result of the Armscor ammo being underpowered (180gn @ ~1125fps) or the rotating barrel.
Accuracy was good. I was able to keep them in a 2" circle at 15 yards.
Brass and case support: Inserting a round in the chamber shows what appears to be good case support. Unfired brass measured 0.4213" just above the case head. After firing, 5 cases were measured, giving 0.4312" expanded (min=0.4310", max=0.4314"). Not sure if that is good or bad for 10mm. I can say the bulging was visible to the naked eye, being roughly 0.010" expansion. Primers on the Armscor were slightly flattened, but the firing pin mark was clear and deep, no cratering.
Final thoughts:
Buying a gun, sight unseen, is not advisable no matter how many youtube videos you watch. Oh, and beer should never be involved in the purchasing decision.
I'm ambivalent about this gun. It's a soft shooter, seems accurate, has a nice SA trigger. But then it doesn't fit my hand well, probably will never be able to carry this gun because of the safety/decocker unless replaced somehow, and is a real PITA to field strip and reassemble.
Would I have bought this gun if I had handled and shot it first? No. But then you pays your money and takes your chances.
Welcome to the Forum B10
Nice Pistol you've acquired
Hello Big10 and thanks for your detailed report on this firearm...be interesting to hear about its performance as you get more time and rounds through it...
I had the magazine drop free a few times when I first started shooting my P40. I have since readjusted my grip slightly and that doesn't happen any more. There are a few tricks to take down and reassembly that I will note the next time I shoot it and clean it which won't be long. I was where you were and then someone on this board gave me a few tips and now it is much easier. It is a softer shooting gun, no doubt due to the action. I don't find it uncomfortable to shoot. I may have big hands, I have never really thought about it. I will have to see where my finger is on the trigger when it is setup for DA. Great observations!
Thanks for the welcome! :)
Does anyone know if I can replace the safety decocker lever with one having a thumb shelf? Like on the safety only version.
ETA: I may have found my own answer. Eagleimports has a parts page with a generic safety lever (left) that has a thumb shelf and says works for multiple grand powers. I ordered 2 to play with for $4/each.
Let me know if / how it fits. Eagle typically ships very fast.
Take yours off and post a picture of the pocket. I posted some of my K100 when I swapped it a while back. We can probably tell by comparing them at that point.
The mag drop issue seems to have been a part of the break in for those of us who have one. I had it on one of my early range trips, but haven't had an issue with it since. I think a good strong and forceful seating of the mag will help. Did you have any problem loading the mags to capacity? Both I and PCFlorida noted a bit of an issue until the springs got a little worn. It may help the mag drop issue if you take the slide off, stick you finger down the magwell(from the top), depress the mag release catch, and let the mag release button fall out. You can then give it a good cleaning and also lube the catch and spring.
I am a bit surprised by you saying how it feels odd in your hand. I absolutely love how mine feels and so has everyone I have let fondle it.
As to the thumb safety, I understand your complaints. When I first got mine I was sure I would never be able to adjust to the tiny speed bump on the safety. I was sure I would want to order the extended safety that Eagle offers, then I got a look at one on the Excaliber. The thing is huge. It is primarily designed for competition shooters and would be very unrealistic on an ordinary pistol. The choices seemed to be between none and too much, but I took Intercooler's kind advice and tried it with the small bladed safety and now have no issue with it.
I probably have around a 1000 rds through mine and on the last range trip I started having some feed problems and it was hardly launching brass. I have replaced the recoil spring and it seems to have solved the problem.
I hope it starts to grow on you, and you reconsider it for EDC. I EDC mine every day and the only problem I have had is finding holster options for it. It will fit in holsters for EAA Polymer Carrys w/rail. I also ordered one from EagleImports and it's OK, but I prefer the one I got from the holsterstore.com for my EAA. I have also read that it will fit holsters for Sig 320s, but I don't have any first hand knowledge on that topic.
Best Wishes
Also, check out tractiongrips.com. They have a great set of wrap around rubberized grips that really improve the feel of the gun.
Quote from: Intercooler on January 01 2017 06:03:09 PM MST
Take yours off and post a picture of the pocket. I posted some of my K100 when I swapped it a while back. We can probably tell by comparing them at that point.
Took me awhile of looking at the exploded parts diagram for the P40 before I felt comfortable prying it off. Attaching pictures.
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Quote from: SavageOne on January 01 2017 08:49:19 PM MST
The mag drop issue seems to have been a part of the break in for those of us who have one. I had it on one of my early range trips, but haven't had an issue with it since. I think a good strong and forceful seating of the mag will help. Did you have any problem loading the mags to capacity? Both I and PCFlorida noted a bit of an issue until the springs got a little worn. It may help the mag drop issue if you take the slide off, stick you finger down the magwell(from the top), depress the mag release catch, and let the mag release button fall out. You can then give it a good cleaning and also lube the catch and spring.
Yes, the mags were very hard to load. In one mag I could only load 6 to 7 rounds with finger pressure. The other I actually got to 8. My fingers are still sore (I didn't have my maglula with me).
Quote from: SavageOne on January 01 2017 08:49:19 PM MST
I am a bit surprised by you saying how it feels odd in your hand. I absolutely love how mine feels and so has everyone I have let fondle it.
Not really what I said. What I said was the gun doesn't fit my hand. I'll show some pictures below trying to explain that better, but the gist is that I can't operate the safety/decocker lever without taking my finger off the trigger and adjusting my grip back and forth; I'm used to 1911 controls and this is out of ordinary for me -- more like having to adjust your grip to drop a mag in a 1911.
The "weird" part was not that the grip felt odd or weird, but that the modes of operation were literally "everything": DA only, DA/SA, or SA cocked and locked. If I could manipulate the safety/decocker better, I'm sure it would grow on me.
Quote from: SavageOne on January 01 2017 08:49:19 PM MST
As to the thumb safety, I understand your complaints. When I first got mine I was sure I would never be able to adjust to the tiny speed bump on the safety. I was sure I would want to order the extended safety that Eagle offers, then I got a look at one on the Excaliber. The thing is huge. It is primarily designed for competition shooters and would be very unrealistic on an ordinary pistol. The choices seemed to be between none and too much, but I took Intercooler's kind advice and tried it with the small bladed safety and now have no issue with it.
Mine is flat (no speed bump) with some texturing. I'm sure they did it for the DA only mode. But where the lever's axis of rotation is located is right where my thumb makes contact with the safety. No matter the amount of pressure you apply at this point, the lever can't move because the force is shearing the Safety Pin (part #23 in the diagrams) as opposed to producing a torque if the thumb contacted out at the end of the safety. Pictures to follow.
A thumb shelf would be a godsend for me. Oh, and I'm going to take down the back edge of the lever which actually hurts to operate because it is proud of the backstrap.
Quote from: SavageOne on January 01 2017 08:49:19 PM MST
I probably have around a 1000 rds through mine and on the last range trip I started having some feed problems and it was hardly launching brass. I have replaced the recoil spring and it seems to have solved the problem.
Is it like the spring I have? I went to the parts page to look for replacement recoil springs, but saw a "P40 spring" that was way shorter than mine and red in color. Mine has taken a set after the first 100 but is still noticeably longer and steel colored; I'm guessing that was done for 10mm and those springs are not up on the parts page.
Quote from: SavageOne on January 01 2017 08:49:19 PM MST
I hope it starts to grow on you, and you reconsider it for EDC. I EDC mine every day and the only problem I have had is finding holster options for it. It will fit in holsters for EAA Polymer Carrys w/rail. I also ordered one from EagleImports and it's OK, but I prefer the one I got from the holsterstore.com for my EAA. I have also read that it will fit holsters for Sig 320s, but I don't have any first hand knowledge on that topic.
Best Wishes
Well, I can tell you that I was able to reattach the slide on my first attempt after the first 100, so some progress there. If I can get the safety thing worked out, I'm sure the other qualities of the P40 will win out.
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Gratuitous spring pic.
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Where my thumb sits when I've got my finger pad on the trigger.
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Where my trigger finger reaches when I've got my thumb on the safety so that I can operate it properly.
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Quote from: Big10 on January 02 2017 10:20:52 AM MST
Quote from: Intercooler on January 01 2017 06:03:09 PM MST
Take yours off and post a picture of the pocket. I posted some of my K100 when I swapped it a while back. We can probably tell by comparing them at that point.
Took me awhile of looking at the exploded parts diagram for the P40 before I felt comfortable prying it off. Attaching pictures.
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It looks the same to me. I thought the 10mm versions were shipping with the red spring? The blue spring is for the XCal I think. I made my own spring out of a CZ-75 spring that has worked flawlessly since install.
Yeah, that might work. I would have trim it a little where it's proud of the backstrap, but the shelf upfront looks like something I could make work.
I have the other version with a small shelf coming. If it doesn't look like it will work, I'll order the extended thumb safety and try with that.
Mine shipped with a red spring and when I contacted Grand Power.eu that's what they told me it used. It's what i replaced my worn with. What about you PCFlorida?
Yeah, the decocker lever is totally different. I can see where it would be a pain. It looks like GP has done some redesigning since I got mine. The spring is really confusing.
Yes, my spring is red also.
It took EAA about 15 years to get Tanfoglio to produce a reliable standard model 10mm.
I'll wait about that long before I grab one of these. They obviously have some bugs to work out.
Your choice, but except for some initial break in and necessary ordinary maintenance mine has been great. In fact, I have had less issues with my GP than my EAA Polymer Compact Carry. I get the feeling that many are allowing a distributors short comings color their opinions of a fine company and their products.
Are you guys saying the recoil spring in the P40 10mm should be a red spring? Mine is a silver colored flat wire spring that is pretty strong. It makes reassembly very difficult. In fact I have been trying for 10 minutes to get it back together and have not been successful. I have some experience with Grand Powers as I have a K100 and an X-Calibur. Both are much easier to put back together. I haven't called Eagle about my problems yet. I was going to do one more range trip tomorrow to see what happens.
Mine is red, but I don't know that they made any changes in the spring. I have found via SavageOne that the best way to put it together is "I have found that if you run the barrel all the way out and reassemble with the barrel hanging towards the floor, it's a lot easier."
And it is :)
After I wrote that post I went back and tried again. I'm not sure what I did different but it went back together on the 2nd try. It will go to the range tomorrow along with a S&W 4013 converted to 10mm. I just got it back from the guy
who did the work for me yesterday.
Remember when you go to reassemble and have compressed the recoil spring to push the tabs down as well. This maybe a little tricky, but if you can also try to use the slide to bump them down. The main point being that the slide won't go back on if the tab is not at least partially down.
Quote from: gcw16 on January 04 2017 06:10:41 PM MST
Are you guys saying the recoil spring in the P40 10mm should be a red spring? Mine is a silver colored flat wire spring that is pretty strong. It makes reassembly very difficult. In fact I have been trying for 10 minutes to get it back together and have not been successful. I have some experience with Grand Powers as I have a K100 and an X-Calibur. Both are much easier to put back together. I haven't called Eagle about my problems yet. I was going to do one more range trip tomorrow to see what happens.
When I got my GP I contacted them in Slovakia, they told me the P40 10mm used the red recoil spring and that it was 6.5kg when compressed. That converts to a little over 14#.
They may have changed springs, you would have to contact them for the answer. I am still using the red springs that I ordered from Eagle.
Quote from: gcw16 on January 04 2017 06:10:41 PM MST
Are you guys saying the recoil spring in the P40 10mm should be a red spring? Mine is a silver colored flat wire spring that is pretty strong. It makes reassembly very difficult. In fact I have been trying for 10 minutes to get it back together and have not been successful. I have some experience with Grand Powers as I have a K100 and an X-Calibur. Both are much easier to put back together. I haven't called Eagle about my problems yet. I was going to do one more range trip tomorrow to see what happens.
My spring is silver and noticeably longer than the red spring. It makes reassembly a PITA. The spring did take a set after the first range visit and it was slightly easier to put the slide back on. I just hope this gun runs well when dirty because I'm going to avoid field stripping it.
On a positive note, I think that spring softens the recoil impulse by spreading out the force over time.
I got a reply back from eagleimports regarding a question I sent them before I found the safety levers on their site; they said the non-decocker lever (plastic control for $4) would NOT fit on the P40 decocker model. I rephrased the question and asked for clarification; they replied with "no, it will not fit".
Based on the pictures though, I think they are wrong. We'll see when the levers I ordered get here.
Ok, I took my P40 to the range again yesterday. Earlier in this thread someone suggested giving the mag a good hard slap to make sure it fully seats. I tried this but the mag drops persist. Of course the feeding problems continued.
I called Eagle this morning and they gave me the phone number of the place to send it to. Apparently they have different "warranty repair centers" around the country. For me this turned out to be Colorado Gun Works which
interestingly is in Indiana. I am in Kentucky. I have to pay shipping there but they pay return shipping. I wonder how long it will take them to get it back to me?
I'm pretty sure that's the same place that does a bunch of Witness work. I haven't heard anything negative about them.
I received the left side thumb safety from Eagle Imports. They were partly correct; the safety does fit (sort of), but when installed the decocker function does not work and it sits a little proud of the frame. Unmodified pictures attached.
With the above said, I was able to modify the safety by removing material so that it functions properly with decocker function and sits flush to the frame. I also noticed the trailing edge of the safety is smaller and more rounded than the stock lever, which makes it more comfortable. I'm glad I ordered two of them because this allows me to modify with further experimentation.
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That is interesting, looks like it has some potential. I will have to order a couple of them the next time I order some mags.
Are these polymer? I'm confused. I'm looking at the pics and it appears the entire frame is one piece. But the Grand Power website says the frame is steel with polymer grips. Someone with knowledge please explain. The fact that its a full 6 ounces lighter than a similar sized Witness leads me to believe this is a polymer frame gun. Details please. I'm confused.
The grip frame is entirely polymer. There is a steel frame inside the upper polymer. Hard to explain. Perhaps I need to take pictures?
Quote from: PCFlorida on January 11 2017 04:34:18 PM MST
The grip frame is entirely polymer. There is a steel frame inside the upper polymer. Hard to explain. Perhaps I need to take pictures?
I think I get it. How would you say the strength of the polymer is compared to other polymers? I have seen some of the Tanfoglios crack. Does this appear to be a superior polymer?
It does seem to be robust. The grip frame feels slightly smaller than my G20 SF. And of course it doesn't get beat up as much as a Browning recoil design.
Quote from: PCFlorida on January 11 2017 04:49:05 PM MST
It does seem to be robust. The grip frame feels slightly smaller than my G20 SF. And of course it doesn't get beat up as much as a Browning recoil design.
You're making my credit card all itchy.
Now that is funny! And likely true too.
Quote from: PCFlorida on January 11 2017 04:49:05 PM MST
It does seem to be robust. The grip frame feels slightly smaller than my G20 SF. And of course it doesn't get beat up as much as a Browning recoil design.
I would call it significantly smaller than the G20SF and infinitely more comfortable.
I would likely agree with that, just didn't feel like digging the G20 out of the safe and didn't want to exaggerate :)
I wish my K100 9mm were the decocker model. I bought it too early! Then again it was a trial purchase to feel out the platform before the 10mm's were out. I'm kind of hanging tight until after Shot Show is over before moving on anything. The 4.25" version seems like the logical choice if you should want to carry it. Hopefully Eagle will finally roll out the Centimeter and we will be able to see if it is a decocker version.
All that being said... do you like the decocker version or would you rather have a standard earlier version?
I like having a decocker, makes it much easier to make the gun safe.
That was my thought when I heard they would be offering it in 10mm. I can't see a negative to them unless they make operation difficult or confusing.
You always have the option to run the P40 cocked-and-locked even with the decocker model.
If you get the decocker model and you don't like it, you can alway replace the plastic levers with the ones from the safety only version with minor fitting. Then you can't decock it.
It was either in this thread or the other currently running P40 thread, there was mention that the double action trigger was like a S&W revolver's double action trigger. I don't agree with this assessment. The weight is about the same, but revolver double actions can be staged, this one can't. And my P40's trigger stacks towards the end of the pull unlike a revolver. For me to not notice it, I have to pull through pretty fast and my aim goes to shit. It reminds me more of my wife's sig P232 double action pull, which is pretty bad.
I want to go the other direction and convert my 9mm into a decocker.
Quote from: Big10 on January 15 2017 08:24:49 AM MST
It was either in this thread or the other currently running P40 thread, there was mention that the double action trigger was like a S&W revolver's double action trigger. I don't agree with this assessment. The weight is about the same, but revolver double actions can be staged, this one can't. And my P40's trigger stacks towards the end of the pull unlike a revolver. For me to not notice it, I have to pull through pretty fast and my aim goes to shit. It reminds me more of my wife's sig P232 double action pull, which is pretty bad.
And while I agree with that, in fact it is a perfect assessment, I shoot my P40 better than I ever shoot my Kahr CM9 :)
Quote from: Intercooler on January 15 2017 09:25:05 AM MST
I want to go the other direction and convert my 9mm into a decocker.
Life is short. Go for it. Hope it works for you.
Modified safety/decocker seems to work fine.
Well, this gun probably has to go back. I put another 200 rounds through it today with 5 shooters (3 experienced 10mm shooters) each having the magazine drop out of the gun from 1 to 3 times during their firing. One was in disbelief and couldn't understand why the mag was on the ground. :( I'm disappointed, I really wanted this to work out.
Quote from: PCFlorida on January 15 2017 01:23:20 PM MST
And while I agree with that, in fact it is a perfect assessment, I shoot my P40 better than I ever shoot my Kahr CM9 :)
Glad it works for you, really. Ironically, my wife commented on how much she likes my CM9 today at the range over the P40 -- go figure. :)
BTW, she didn't care for my Kimber Micro 9, but loves the P238.
Quote from: Big10 on January 15 2017 06:55:39 PM MST
Quote from: PCFlorida on January 15 2017 01:23:20 PM MST
And while I agree with that, in fact it is a perfect assessment, I shoot my P40 better than I ever shoot my Kahr CM9 :)
Glad it works for you, really. Ironically, my wife commented on how much she likes my CM9 today at the range over the P40 -- go figure. :)
BTW, she didn't care for my Kimber Micro 9, but loves the P238.
LOL, I just can't get used to that L-O-N-G trigger.
Big10, don't take this wrong but I'm glad I'm not the only one with the mag drop problem. I don't know where you are but they have different service centers in various parts of the country. I had to send mine to a place in Indiana. They just got mine this past Thursday so I haven't heard anything from them yet.
Quote from: Big10 on January 15 2017 06:43:04 PM MST
Modified safety/decocker seems to work fine.
Well, this gun probably has to go back. I put another 200 rounds through it today with 5 shooters (3 experienced 10mm shooters) each having the magazine drop out of the gun from 1 to 3 times during their firing. One was in disbelief and couldn't understand why the mag was on the ground. :( I'm disappointed, I really wanted this to work out.
Have you disassembled the mags and cleaned them? If you give that a try, while you have the spring and follower out, pull they slide and see how they are mating with the mag release.
@SavageOne: Yes, I had previously disassembled the magazine and removed the release from the plastic grip. I also looked at the magazine after this last firing. The magazine was very clean with no debris, really nothing to clean.
The magazine release button had some residue on it, but nothing that looked like it would impede the magazine catch from fully locking into the magazine body. However, the magazine release button thickness at the caming surface looks to be a critical dimension in how far it allows the catch's rotation to engage with the magazine.
This design looks to be susceptible to stacking tolerances under recoil. The magazine body moves about in the grip frame even when "locked", allowing the magazine catch to be either fully engaged through the locking notch -- proud of the interior wall by at least .003" -- to partially engaged. Further, the catch rotates in the plane in which the recoil forces operate and is not impeded by the magazine release button in the direction of unlocking. I.e., the magazine release button cams the catch to unlock, but doesn't prevent the catch from moving in the unlock direction.
Which all may sound like gobbledygook, but boils down to under heavy recoil the catch and magazine can spontaneously unlock. I'm convinced this is going to be a recurring problem and it has nothing to do with "hitting the release button by griping it improperly". One key observation I had at the range was that the problem occurred to a much greater extent with Sig Sauer 180gn Elite (180gn @ 1250fps) than either S&B 180 FMJ and Armscor 180 FMJ.
I'm going to run a test with some HDPE tape applied to the rear of the magazine to restrict the magazine's reward movement and see if that doesn't keep the magazine locked.
Yeah, I quickly came to the conclusion I was not hitting the mag release. With that said the issue has disappeared now. I had issues within the first 100-200 rds, and have not seen a reoccurrence since that initial range trip. I am over a 1000 rounds at this point, using both factory and RYOs and it hasn't been an issue for me. I do have two new mags sitting in my safe I have yet to try out yet and when the weather dries out I think I will load them up and see how they preform.
It did seem like the rounds were sitting a little far forward in the mag, when I was having this problem and I remember wondering if they were actually nosing the release and causing the mag to drop.
Quote from: gcw16 on January 15 2017 07:50:27 PM MST
Big10, don't take this wrong but I'm glad I'm not the only one with the mag drop problem. I don't know where you are but they have different service centers in various parts of the country. I had to send mine to a place in Indiana. They just got mine this past Thursday so I haven't heard anything from them yet.
Has yours come back yet? If so, what is the verdict?
Quote from: PCFlorida on January 27 2017 08:33:44 PM MST
Quote from: gcw16 on January 15 2017 07:50:27 PM MST
Big10, don't take this wrong but I'm glad I'm not the only one with the mag drop problem. I don't know where you are but they have different service centers in various parts of the country. I had to send mine to a place in Indiana. They just got mine this past Thursday so I haven't heard anything from them yet.
Has yours come back yet? If so, what is the verdict?
They have had it for just over 2 weeks now. I haven't heard anything from them. I will post after I get it back and go to the range.
Quote from: SavageOne on January 01 2017 08:49:19 PM MST
The mag drop issue seems to have been a part of the break in for those of us who have one. I had it on one of my early range trips, but haven't had an issue with it since. I think a good strong and forceful seating of the mag will help. Did you have any problem loading the mags to capacity? Both I and PCFlorida noted a bit of an issue until the springs got a little worn. It may help the mag drop issue if you take the slide off, stick you finger down the magwell(from the top), depress the mag release catch, and let the mag release button fall out. You can then give it a good cleaning and also lube the catch and spring.
I am a bit surprised by you saying how it feels odd in your hand. I absolutely love how mine feels and so has everyone I have let fondle it.
As to the thumb safety, I understand your complaints. When I first got mine I was sure I would never be able to adjust to the tiny speed bump on the safety. I was sure I would want to order the extended safety that Eagle offers, then I got a look at one on the Excaliber. The thing is huge. It is primarily designed for competition shooters and would be very unrealistic on an ordinary pistol. The choices seemed to be between none and too much, but I took Intercooler's kind advice and tried it with the small bladed safety and now have no issue with it.
I probably have around a 1000 rds through mine and on the last range trip I started having some feed problems and it was hardly launching brass. I have replaced the recoil spring and it seems to have solved the problem.
I hope it starts to grow on you, and you reconsider it for EDC. I EDC mine every day and the only problem I have had is finding holster options for it. It will fit in holsters for EAA Polymer Carrys w/rail. I also ordered one from EagleImports and it's OK, but I prefer the one I got from the holsterstore.com for my EAA. I have also read that it will fit holsters for Sig 320s, but I don't have any first hand knowledge on that topic.
Best Wishes
I have a Witness P Carry and find it fits well in holsters for my H&K USP 40. Just FYI.
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Well, my P40 has the same mag drop issues. I sent it off to the gunsmith a week ago. Crossing my fingers he can get a fix for it. Otherwise it's a 800.00 paperweight!
Quote from: 10Tens on February 08 2017 08:37:35 PM MST
Well, my P40 has the same mag drop issues. I sent it off to the gunsmith a week ago. Crossing my fingers he can get a fix for it. Otherwise it's a 800.00 paperweight!
Any updates?
I was about to pull the trigger on gunbroker and buy one a few days ago. I picked up two new Witness pistols this week (haha got my tax return) and was looking at a Gen4 Glock 20 or the P40. My friend Jason got his Grand Power yesterday and took it to the range. He is experiencing the same mag drop issue as well as failure to feed problems simliar to Witness pistols from back in 2001-2005. He also says the gun feels "clunky" like it's not put together very well. External moving parts rattle when he shakes the gun (slide release especially).
They obviously have issues to work out on these. I'll wait a few years to see if they fix their QA.
Sad to hear this about yet another one not functioning 100%. Pretty much solidified my decision to stick with Witness pieces.
It's been 4 weeks now since I sent mine back and I still haven't heard anything.
I'm still waiting on any news....
It's been 5 weeks now so I called Colorado Gun Works to see what is going on. The guy said they have a couple P40's, including mine, where the magwell is too big for the mags, leaving a lot of play. He said they are waiting for the factory to tell them how to proceed. He said they may replace the whole gun or maybe just the plastic grip frame. He also said the factory had been closed for 2 weeks but was back open now and they expected to have an answer some time next week.
Wow, I can't wait to hear what the factory has to say. I sent mine in for the same reason but sent it to the authorized shop in Minnesota only because it was closer to me. They turned it around in just about a week with a work ticket stating "fit magazine catch body". Whatever they did worked.
Quote from: Ten2six on February 16 2017 03:50:21 PM MST
Wow, I can't wait to hear what the factory has to say. I sent mine in for the same reason but sent it to the authorized shop in Minnesota only because it was closer to me. They turned it around in just about a week with a work ticket stating "fit magazine catch body". Whatever they did worked.
Good to hear, I wonder there there was just a sprue on it, that would explain mine and others possibly.
I just took the base pad off my friends magazine and inserted it into the mag well. Holy hell. There's a huge gap on each side. It swings like a bell inside the mag well. Almost 1/16 inch gap on all 4 sides. That can't be safe. No wonder it dislodged from the mag catch. Probably swings right off while firing. They don't need to be snug but that much play is ridiculous.
Ok, now I really have to take a closer look at mine to see if there is any sign of what the Gunsmith did to mine. I looked it over pretty good when I got it back but was concentrating on the release tab.
Decided to try another 150 rounds today to see if the gun would finally "break-in" like some others here thought happened for them. No joy. :( All seemed good with the first 90 of rounds (S&B 180gn) but the last 10 it dropped the mag twice. When I went to Sig Elite 180gn, it just got worse. And I'm 100% positive I did not hit the mag release. Which makes me believe that under heavy recoil, the mag shakes free.
I'm debating putting the HDPE tape on the back of the mag. I looked for my supply in the basement and can't find it, so I might have to order it. >:(
I may end up just sending it in for repair, which is ultimately where this is going to end up anyway.
Yup. Mine still at the service center in OR.
But I do recall to much slop between mag and mag well. Sux. Hope for a recall!
I had my K100 9mm out again today. Shooting great! It's sad something is up with some of the 10's.
I have a K100 and an Xcalibur and haven't had any problems with either one, just the P40.
Was shooting my P40 10mm Sunday. No issues.
I put a hundred or so rounds through mine today. Stayed home because of the 'wonderful' cold I caught from someone at work, but I had the courtesy not to go in and sneeze on everything.
Sometimes you just have to take one for the team. 8)
LOL :)
Got mine back from warranty shop. Have not shot it..The gun doctor only shot a few rounds of pussy ammo through it. I'm not getting my hopes up. With real 10mm full house loads this gun failed miserably!
I am taking mine out tomorrow to test the new red recoil spring. I will report back as soon as I can.
Quote from: Big10 on January 02 2017 10:54:03 AM MST
Where my trigger finger reaches when I've got my thumb on the safety so that I can operate it properly.
Marco? Is that You??? 8)
JK, but it looks like your hands are just small for that particular weapon. It does appear to have a Big GRIP! :-[
I got the red spring to try out and thought some might like to see the difference in length between the red and silver spring (stock spring that came with the gun). What a difference the red spring makes in ease of getting the slide back on.
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What is the difference in recoil if you have shot it yet?
On mine the difference was barely noticeable on light factory loads. On the hotter hand loads I could tell right away. Still not as much muzzle flip as my DE.
So which is the correct recoil spring? Mine currently has the long and stiff non-red spring installed.
I can only assume the longer silver one is, as it is the one that came with mine from the factory.
They used to come with the red one, mine did as well as some others. Now they come with the silver one.
I have posed the recoil spring question on the Grand Power Forum and I am awaiting an answer. It is not a large forum and responses can take awhile. If I hear anything I will let you know.
I could be wrong but I think the red spring is a 9mm spring. My K100 came with the red spring and the X-Calibur comes with 3 springs, one of them being the red spring.
When I ordered my new spring, the red one was the only one shown for the 10mm.
There are two red springs listed on Eagle Imports, one listed as 'GP36-K100' and the other listed as 'GP36-P40'. GP36-P40 was the only recoil spring listed under P40 parts. There is no "silver spring" listed at on the Eagle Imports web site, nor was there a 'P40L' parts section.
https://grandpower.eagleimportsinc.com/grandpower/shop/parts/p40-parts/recoil-spring (https://grandpower.eagleimportsinc.com/grandpower/shop/parts/p40-parts/recoil-spring)
Quote from: PCFlorida on February 27 2017 07:14:30 PM MST
What is the difference in recoil if you have shot it yet?
Haven't shot it with the red spring. However, manual racking of the slide seems to have the same resistance. The biggest problem with the silver spring is that it is so long it kinks when trying to thread it onto the guide rod, very difficult with only two hands. The red spring, being shorter, doesn't have the opportunity to kink before getting thread on the guide rod.
I'm sending the gun in for warranty repair to Alhmann's in MN. I spoke with a smith there who said he's had to fix several with the mag drop issue. In each case he said he had to increase the magazine catch's engagement with the mag body. He's estimating a 2 week turnaround.
When it gets back, I'm putting on another extended thumb safety from the X-Calibur model. It'll need some reshaping, but it's got a lot of material to work given its boat oar shape.... it's freaking huge.
This gun is junk! Plain and simple. I've had mine back after warranty work. Still mag drop issues with real full house loads. With pussy 40 Smith loads it seems to stay engaged. I didn't buy a 10mm to shoot pussy loads. Trying to reassemble the gun is ridiculous! One needs 4 hands! The recoil spring is to damn long! Mine will be on gunbroker soon. Good luck to all who own one.
My friend I mentioned earlier won't even sell his. It's so bad he doesn't want to risk giving it to someone else. He's asking Grand Power for a refund, and wants them to recall ALL of them. We'll see what they say.
That is a shame, they must have changed something in the manufacturing process. Mine has been flawless for the last 1K rounds.
Ok. Try shooting your guns with full house "real" 10mm loads. It will fail! You don't just have the one miracle gun. Sorry. If I shoot pussy target loads it works most of the time. This is after having 3 new mags reworked and a few other gunsmithing tricks. It's not a reliable gun period. There needs to be a class action lawsuit, to force a recall!
Please don't make assumptions. I only shoot full house loads, and I am not the only person here that owns a P40 with no problems. We purchased ours last year in the fall. I have some threads about some of my loads if you take the time to look for them. That being said, I hope it is repaired/replaced or refunded to your satisfaction.
I'm trying to wrap my head around these magazine drops. Unless something is really way out of whack, anything can be remedied (unless it's user induced) and that's procedure.
Can someone with a "dropsy" pistol do this? Take the entire top off, strip the magazine inner parts out and snap one in. Take a photo of the mag catch engagement for us. Can someone with a "no-dropsy" unit do the same? I will try it on my K100 9mm and take a picture of that also. It's never dropped a magazine...
Sure, I just took a picture and will be uploading it shortly. You can clearly see the magazine engagement.
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z59/PCFlorida/20170319_131511.jpg) (http://s188.photobucket.com/user/PCFlorida/media/20170319_131511.jpg.html)
Great! How is the slop around the detent? I'm wondering if the opening on the problem magazines isn't large enough. It looks like enough meat is protruding in the magazine to keep it in place. If too much goes in it will hang the follower.
I guess we still have two questionable areas. Is the base plate not allowing the magazine enough travel to fully seat? Some of the Witness base plates had to be sanded slightly on the top surface facing the magwell bottom to remedy that. If the magazine well has too much slop front:rear, the engagement might not be enough to hold the detent as another issue. With it clipped in like the picture you can rock and tug on it while you watch. It shouldn't come out under any circumstance!
I worked your image a little. Hope you don't mind ;D
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The slop left to right is very minimal, and the magazine will not come out without the release being pressed. The piece of metal in the back of the magazine on the right side keeps the magazine from having any slop front and back. There is almost zero slop in any direction.
I will get a picture of mine here in a second. I'm just curious if my detent protrudes deeper into the magazine than yours. Like I said... never dropped one at all!
Mine dropped the mag once or twice during the first or second shooting, and then never again. I think there was a burr that wore off.
Here is mine with the magazine inserted. The detent is tapered to allow magazines to easily insert and catch at the top of it. To the left you can see the metal tab that limits travel of the magazine upwards... everyone's looks like that and that rounded tab not bent down limiting upwards travel? It looks like my detent sits flush with the inside of the magazine when clipped in. The left:right slop in the magazine cut-out looks like more than 1/16" where you see the opening to the left.
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Their is a metal tab at the rear of the magazine that swings on the cross-pin to limit rear travel. It appears red in this picture. Does everyone have it and anyone with a bent piece?
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Another shot of that travel limiter on the left. If I wasn't getting a solid full seat I would be looking to possible tweak that upwards slightly.
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Here is a better picture of the detent that retains your magazines. Does everyone's black spring behind it look like mine?
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Basically the same setup, you may have more detent protrusion than I do, however mine is enough.
Close-up of the magazine limit with nothing inserted.
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Quote from: PCFlorida on March 19 2017 01:59:56 PM MDT
Basically the same setup, you may have more detent protrusion than I do, however mine is enough.
It looks like your magazine opening might be a little tighter side to side. Can you measure that window? Mine looks to have more slop there and I will measure it.
Here is that back piece that floats on the pin up against the magazine.
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Here is my follower. If you are having a problem getting all 14 rounds in the magazine take a look at the knub in the center to see if it needs shortened some.
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Quote from: Intercooler on March 19 2017 02:08:22 PM MDT
Here is my follower. If you are having a problem getting all 14 rounds in the magazine take a look at the knub in the center to see if it needs shortened some.
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I typically only load 13 as I have to use my UPLULA to load 14, it is that tight. That being said I may look at the follower.
Quote from: Intercooler on March 19 2017 02:04:32 PM MDT
Quote from: PCFlorida on March 19 2017 01:59:56 PM MDT
Basically the same setup, you may have more detent protrusion than I do, however mine is enough.
It looks like your magazine opening might be a little tighter side to side. Can you measure that window? Mine looks to have more slop there and I will measure it.
.157 wide and .199 tall according to my reasonably accurate digital caliper.
Quote from: Intercooler on March 19 2017 02:08:22 PM MDT
Here is my follower. If you are having a problem getting all 14 rounds in the magazine take a look at the knub in the center to see if it needs shortened some.
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The 10mm uses a different follower, here is one of mine.
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z59/PCFlorida/20170319_165119.jpg) (http://s188.photobucket.com/user/PCFlorida/media/20170319_165119.jpg.html)
Quote from: PCFlorida on March 19 2017 02:37:18 PM MDT
Quote from: Intercooler on March 19 2017 02:04:32 PM MDT
Quote from: PCFlorida on March 19 2017 01:59:56 PM MDT
Basically the same setup, you may have more detent protrusion than I do, however mine is enough.
It looks like your magazine opening might be a little tighter side to side. Can you measure that window? Mine looks to have more slop there and I will measure it.
.157 wide and .199 tall according to my reasonably accurate digital caliper.
.168" x .236" for all of mine here. You know GP didn't have magazines for a while. Could it have been a quality issue from the supplier and some of these need hit a little with a half-bastard file?
Now I want to measure the detent to get a rough ballpark of it's size. It needs a little slop IMO...
That little knub "could" still create a problem when totally full. You would almost need some colored grease like used for gear installs to see what the print looks like.
I talked to Eagle Imports, asking about the silver recoil spring weight and if they were aware of the mag drop issues. This was using their "chat" option on their web site. What I was told was, they don't know the weight of the silver recoil spring(in fact when I told them what GP told me was the weight of the rec recoil spring, I was informed that was more info than they had received) and that they were unaware of the mag drop problem with the 10mm. He said that when a pistol is sent to a warranty center, a problem report is generated and sent straight to GP and that they were not informed of issues themselves. Since I am on the GP forum as well, I asked if GP monitored the forum and was aware of the problem. The answer I got was, well your gun quit doing it, so problem solved and we haven't heard about any other guns doing it.
It would seem that there has been a communication drop somewhere. I would suggest anyone who has had this issue contact both Eagle Imports and Grand Power and let them know. If they don't know they can't address it. Here is a link to the GP forum thread I started about it(I hope I am not violating any forum rules by posting to another forum, if I am please remove the link and accept my apologizes).
http://www.grandpower.eu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=345
So I guess we are waiting for someone who still has the problem (mag drop) to do the same measurements and pictures to see if we see a difference?
That would be awesome! Since this began I suspected mag issues first with procedure issues second. I never really thought the pistol itself was the issue.
Can anyone with a mag drop unit help us out?
We have a shot at figuring this out ourselves if someone with a problem pistol can post up pictures/measurements.
For what it's worth,...when I sent mine in for the mag drop issue I only sent one mag. Now neither mag has given me any drop issues just ftf on the last round.
Interesting! So the drop problem is gone and just a last round issue now? I wonder if an EAA extra power spring would do the trick?
I will give that a try, my suspicions are the mag follower itself but you may be right. I was manually running some dummy rounds through it it appeared to not be kicking the case head end of the round up fast enough. I hope to get to test some more this week.
The follower coil could be tweaked upwards slightly.
Thanks, I'll try that first.
Does your follower look the same as mine above? (picture). I see that everyone has raised the price of the magazines now. Eagle Imports has them for $46 each.
PCFlorida , mine look just like yours. I tweaked the spring as Intercooler suggested and took some 400 grit sandpaper and lightly sanded the front edge of the followers, also very slightly rounded the leading front edges. I went to the range and the first 150 or so rounds were a complete success! Then started trying some different loads. All in all I had maybe three ftf on the last round. This GP is really coming along. I encourage others to hang in there, they are worth it.
Some of the EAA/Tanfoglio magazines were plagued for years until the K10 magazines replaced them. I'm sure just about everyone thought it was the pistol in that case too!
Quote from: Ten2six on March 21 2017 03:26:00 PM MDT
PCFlorida , mine look just like yours. I tweaked the spring as Intercooler suggested and took some 400 grit sandpaper and lightly sanded the front edge of the followers, also very slightly rounded the leading front edges. I went to the range and the first 150 or so rounds were a complete success! Then started trying some different loads. All in all I had maybe three ftf on the last round. This GP is really coming along. I encourage others to hang in there, they are worth it.
How full are you loading your magazines, the full 14?
At first I was loading them the full 14, later I would vary from 12 to 13. I couldn't tell you how many were in the ones that ftf later on ....I was having to too much fun and forgot to keep track. ;D
LOL, isn't that the truth. I think this weekend I will go to the range and have some fun.
Ten2six, how would you compare it to your other 10mms?
Also, I would like to again ask anyone who has had the mag drop issue to go over to the GP forum and let them know about this problem. At present it appears that they think it is an isolated incident. They need to be made aware that it is happening with multiple owners. Thank you.
Hmmmm. Good question SavageOne. The more I shoot it the more I like it. Accuracy is awesome and I guess if I have to rate it I would say it ranks right there with my DE. All of my 10's are bone stock and the GP handles better than my 1026 and my Glock 29. But I must admit the 1026 is still my fav but due to rarity it has become somewhat of a safe queen. I am also partial to my DE but the GP is quickly gaining on it.
As far as issues with the GP , the warranty repair center should have billed GP for the mag drop issues that I had. So I assume they are aware. I will drop in on the GP forum to let them know how much work I have had to put into this just to make it shootable.
Ten2six, did you notice any difference in the recoil or the distance it throws the brass? As to GP knowing about the mag drop issue, I was told something similar from Eagle Imports. They said that a report would be generated from the warranty center and sent straight to GP. But, in the thread I started on the GP forum I was told that they had not heard of any other instances than the one I described. I am hoping that if more people who are having the problem let them know they can address it.
Quote from: Ten2six on March 21 2017 08:29:09 PM MDT
Hmmmm. Good question SavageOne. The more I shoot it the more I like it. Accuracy is awesome and I guess if I have to rate it I would say it ranks right there with my DE. All of my 10's are bone stock and the GP handles better than my 1026 and my Glock 29. But I must admit the 1026 is still my fav but due to rarity it has become somewhat of a safe queen. I am also partial to my DE but the GP is quickly gaining on it.
As far as issues with the GP , the warranty repair center should have billed GP for the mag drop issues that I had. So I assume they are aware. I will drop in on the GP forum to let them know how much work I have had to put into this just to make it shootable.
It is a shame you had to have so much work done on your GP in order to get it working correctly. However once it is working it is a great shooting gun and handles full power loads with ease and the felt recoil is much lower that comparable Browning designs. That coupled with all my brass being found in the same zip code which is something I've never had with any of my other 10mm's.
SavageOne, ...the recoil, IMHO is less "felt" than my DE but I think what is more noticeable is the reduced muzzle flip. I believe my target acquisition is quicker with the GP..
And like PCFlorida said the brass is much more manageable/consistent.
Just an observation.....the ejected brass definitely has it's own signature. You can clearly see where the barrel rotates on it. I wonder if that will create a wear issue?
SavageOne,....FYI....I just posted on the mag drop issue on the GP forum.
Hope they get it together, I'm interested in a GP 10mm but not in the troubled condition there in now. >:( I'll stick w/my trouble free G29. :)
Quote from: PCFlorida on March 19 2017 09:21:07 AM MDT
Please don't make assumptions. I only shoot full house loads, and I am not the only person here that owns a P40 with no problems. We purchased ours last year in the fall. I have some threads about some of my loads if you take the time to look for them. That being said, I hope it is repaired/replaced or refunded to your satisfaction.
Lucky you. Most have been failing under full house loads.
The reliability of this gun is unacceptable! I'm not getting any help on a refund from the factory. Customer service blows!
Can you take some pictures as we did on page 8? Who knows, we may find something.
10Tens,
Can you take some duplicate pictures of your pistol/magazine?
I can and will later. The gunsmith did perform some minor work to the mag catch windows. One of my mags is made in Italy and appears to be of higher quality. I'm going to try the red spring ..Mostly so I can reassemble the gun more easily. If it helps function that will be a bonus. I'm most likely gonna lust it on GB and order the new 18 round EAA Witness P match pro..Now that looks to be a real beast of a 10!
Thanks for the help on this!
I bet that spring is way much for the GP pistol. I think the red would probably be fine for most 10mm rounds including some nukes. In my case, I went down on the spring even more to a cut-down CZ-75 Wolff spring in my 9mm. The red was really too much for 9mm in my experience!
Quote from: Intercooler on March 23 2017 03:04:38 PM MDT
Thanks for the help on this!
I bet that spring is way much for the GP pistol. I think the red would probably be fine for most 10mm rounds including some nukes. In my case, I went down on the spring even more to a cut-down CZ-75 Wolff spring in my 9mm. The red was really too much for 9mm in my experience!
I'm actually running the silver now, a little harder to re-assemble but it seems perfect for my purposes.
Quote from: PCFlorida on March 23 2017 03:24:16 PM MDT
Quote from: Intercooler on March 23 2017 03:04:38 PM MDT
Thanks for the help on this!
I bet that spring is way much for the GP pistol. I think the red would probably be fine for most 10mm rounds including some nukes. In my case, I went down on the spring even more to a cut-down CZ-75 Wolff spring in my 9mm. The red was really too much for 9mm in my experience!
I'm actually running the silver now, a little harder to re-assemble but it seems perfect for my purposes.
I'm actually gonna test the red vs. The silver side by side soon.
After my mag springs were shortened and Windows chamferd , I can easily load all mags to full 14 round count. The gun still drops mags out occasionally and fails to lock slide open occasionally. Ughh.
I felt like some of my hotter loads were battering the frame some, switched to the silver and no more problems with that. The slide was coming back pretty hard.
Well maybe I just leave it in. I just won't ever clean it again! Lol.
So yesterday I cleaned the GP. Has anyone noticed that the gun with the rotating barrel seems to stay much cleaner or is it my imagination?
Anyway, I reassembled it on the first try this time, and it was quick and easy. I'm going to try it again this weekend and if I still have the same result I will document the steps and post it.
Mine came home pretty dirty the last time out, using mostly power pistol loads.
I've shot a ton of powder pistol, but have been shooting Lovex Heavy Pistol lately. Replica of AA #9, great powder. I find it performs better for me on heavy loads, especially using 200 grains bullets.
Quote from: PCFlorida on March 26 2017 07:26:33 PM MDT
I've shot a ton of powder pistol, but have been shooting Lovex Heavy Pistol lately. Replica of AA #9, great powder. I find it performs better for me on heavy loads, especially using 200 grains bullets.
Don't tell people about the Lovex aka Shooters World . . . it's super secret.
Everyone I tell about Lovex/Shooters World powder seems to think I'm trying to get them to drink Billy Beer. Oh well, more for us.
Quote from: spencerhut on July 10 2017 08:12:10 AM MDT
Quote from: PCFlorida on March 26 2017 07:26:33 PM MDT
I've shot a ton of powder pistol, but have been shooting Lovex Heavy Pistol lately. Replica of AA #9, great powder. I find it performs better for me on heavy loads, especially using 200 grains bullets.
Don't tell people about the Lovex aka Shooters World . . . it's super secret.
Everyone I tell about Lovex/Shooters World powder seems to think I'm trying to get them to drink Billy Beer. Oh well, more for us.
I buy it in 8 lb containers :)
Quote from: PCFlorida on March 26 2017 07:26:33 PM MDT
I've shot a ton of powder pistol, but have been shooting Lovex Heavy Pistol lately. Replica of AA #9, great powder. I find it performs better for me on heavy loads, especially using 200 grains bullets.
Shortly after that post, I was at our rental house (April 24th) and was attacked by the ex renters 2 pitbulls. My arms were both very mauled and it took me months before I was able to even shoot a 9mm again. The point is, I haven't shot the Grand Power in so long I can't remember how it was that I got it so quickly together. Once I figure it out again, I will post :)