What do you guys foresee under a Hillary Clinton presidency? I was talking to some friends about this recently and they seem to think that gun rights are safe because democrats are unlikely to win the House. A senate takeover is likely but without the house she won't be able to pass any legislation through.
That is a dangerous assumption. If democrats win the necessary races to get over 50 votes in the senate, they'll approve her Supreme Court picks. We could see Heller overturned. Or worse, local legislation like California's new gun laws could be upheld. I saw something on Facebook that really scared me. One anti gun group plans to challenge concealed carry permits all the way to the Supreme Court if Hillary wins. Could we see the end of carrying firearms outside our homes if she gets a 5-4 majority on the high court?
Vote people. Vote. Vote. Vote.
I agree that the Supreme Court appointments will be the single most important issue as it relates to the 2nd Amendment. She will not have enough support from congress to radically change gun laws and certainly won't have a snowballs chance in hell of repealing the 2nd Amendment. What she will have is a Supreme Court that can forever redefine the intent of the 2nd Amendment. It will still be there, but won't mean much.
Gary Johnson may have some good ideas, but he has absolutely zero chance of winning even a single state. A vote for him is as good as not voting at all. This election has to be about preventing Hillary from winning. Above all else, we have to keep her out of office and voting for Trump is the only way to accomplish this.
In the likely event she sways the balance of the court, the trick will be to keep cases from going to the court. They can't rule on what they don't hear. That may result in some bad rulings and the district levels that go unchallenged, but better than bad case law nationally.
I don't see any way for Clinton not to win, being honest about it.
Quote from: sqlbullet on October 19 2016 12:43:34 PM MDT
In the likely event she sways the balance of the court, the trick will be to keep cases from going to the court. They can't rule on what they don't hear. That may result in some bad rulings and the district levels that go unchallenged, but better than bad case law nationally.
I don't see any way for Clinton not to win, being honest about it.
Trump only has a few ways he wins.
1. Wikileaks drops the biggest bomb ever (unlikely).
2. Turnout. Black voter turnout drops back to pre-2008 levels with an increase in white male turnout. Throw in lazy millennial voters that stay home playing video games. They got off the couch for Obama, will they do it for Hillary?
I think Trump wins in a nail biter like Bush/Kerry 2004 thanks to turnout.
A Clinton Presidency will bring...
Additional Executive fiats.... They've already signaled as much..
A liberal supreme court nominee is a certainty. Heller and subsequent rulings will be dead center of the crosshairs...
Gun laws similar to California's will be rolled out in many if not all the blue states.
Those are just the laydown gimmy outcomes.... I suspect and fear far more onerous, insidious, overreaching initiatives and consequences
there of.
lets see here how about more globalism, more open borders and increased government intrusion both foreign and domestic more lies blah blah bullcrap. thats what a hillary world will look like and can't forget more guncontrol that won't work.
I see no way Trump wins. Black vote turnout isn't going to be low, and the Millenials are terrified of Trump. Far more so than they were of the moderates that Obama ran against.
Just prepare for what IS coming. Best I can say.
Even if Trump loses, we have to make sure republicans keep the senate. Hillary must not be allowed to appoint justices to the Supreme Court.
Ever.
Personally I hope Clinton goes down in flames in this election...
We will see a Convention of States, which is already in motion!
This may also help explain things too...
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You do not have to repeal the 2nd amendment.
A liberal Supreme Court can interpret the wording anyway they want and the country is stuck with their decision.
Quote from: BEEMER! on October 22 2016 07:43:05 AM MDT
You do not have to repeal the 2nd amendment.
A liberal Supreme Court can interpret the wording anyway they want and the country is stuck with their decision.
That's exactly right. One anti-gun group plans to challenge conceal carry. A 5-4 majority on the supreme court, whuch Hillary will get at a minimum could abolish conceal carry nationwide if they determine gun rights end at your front door and we have no right to carry in public.
If she wins, you'll no longer recognize America in four years.
No, that's not an exaggeration.
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Quote from: Patriot on October 21 2016 09:16:31 PM MDT
Even if Trump loses, we have to make sure republicans keep the senate.
This is the fight for us. Making sure Hillary has a congress that won't go along with her. It will still be a rough time as far as the court goes, but especially on the legislative front we have to keep things from passing.
Today, several news sources indicate the FBI is resuming their investigation into her handling classified documents. I've held a secret clearance and I would have been in deep dodo if I had done what she did. Here's hoping the FBI found their lost integrity.
This new situation may play into fears of government corruption identified in this poll: https://blogs.chapman.edu/wilkinson/2016/10/11/americas-top-fears-2016/
Corruption is #1 and interestingly, over-reaching gun control is #5, tied with terrorism.
I'm not for Trump as a person, but will vote for him as an anti-Clinton vote. The upside is, he may actually push some of his pro-Constitution ideas.
I worry for a country that will knowingly vote for someone while acknowledging continuing, never ending examples of corruption.
Quote from: harrygunner on October 28 2016 04:01:50 PM MDT
Today, several news sources indicate the FBI is resuming their investigation into her handling classified documents. I've held a secret clearance and I would have been in deep dodo if I had done what she did. Here's hoping the FBI found their lost integrity.
This new situation may play into fears of government corruption identified in this poll: https://blogs.chapman.edu/wilkinson/2016/10/11/americas-top-fears-2016/
Corruption is #1 and interestingly, over-reaching gun control is #5, tied with terrorism.
I'm not for Trump as a person, but will vote for him as an anti-Clinton vote. The upside is, he may actually push some of his pro-Constitution ideas.
I worry for a country that will knowingly vote for someone while acknowledging continuing, never ending examples of corruption.
We shall see what comes of this. I know it's given me a sense of hope that the independent swing voters will now vote for Trump. Or at least some of her supporters stay home and not vote.
I'm thinking she sent explicit photos of herself to Weiner. Clearly any "reasonable prosecutor" would bring charges against her for that.
:)) sorry, couldn't help myself.
Quote from: sqlbullet on October 20 2016 01:05:41 PM MDT
I see no way Trump wins. Black vote turnout isn't going to be low, and the Millenials are terrified of Trump. Far more so than they were of the moderates that Obama ran against.
Just prepare for what IS coming. Best I can say.
You and all the talking heads and pollsters.
Yet you were all wrong. I hope this just sends shock waves through the political world that this election proves the American people are completely fed up with "business as usual".
SCOTUS appointments was my main concern about Hillary. Trump has listed people who've clerked under Thomas and Scalia. Scalia's intellect will be hard to replace. I'm happy to see Thomas step up to minimize the void of Scalia's absence.
Some of Scalia's tutored ascending to the bench would be great for the Second Amendment. We may even see reversals of some infringements.
I kept the faith. I believed Trump would win. Republicans will control both chambers of congress, the presidency and we'll have a conservative supreme court for 30+ years.
This election could have gone the other way easily with the numbers of people that did not vote!
The American People have had enough and didn't want an extension of Obama's failed punishments...in the key states!
However Trump will have a difficult time, as he will be busier that a one arm wall paper hanger!
We will have to see what Obama will try in the next 70+ days
Praise be to God that Trump won and we have both a Republican House and Senate. We'll see what the "head Communist" will attempt to accomplish before January 20th.
Quote from: Patriot on November 10 2016 08:36:50 AM MST
I kept the faith. I believed Trump would win. Republicans will control both chambers of congress, the presidency and we'll have a conservative supreme court for 30+ years.
And I HELPED him win. We gave him Alabama!
Quote from: gandog56 on November 13 2016 02:51:42 PM MST
Quote from: Patriot on November 10 2016 08:36:50 AM MST
I kept the faith. I believed Trump would win. Republicans will control both chambers of congress, the presidency and we'll have a conservative supreme court for 30+ years.
And I HELPED him win. We gave him Alabama!
Lots of talk Hillary was going to win here in Arizona. Pundits were even saying she had a chance to take Texas.
A lot of split voting didn't hurt Trump as much as feared. In Utah some were saying that McMillan would pull enough republican vote that Hillary might win. And McMullin did pull a huge amount of the vote. First time in a long time the Republican didn't have over 50% of the vote here.
As long as your Republican WON! Got to keep the Senate and the House!
Quote from: gandog56 on November 15 2016 08:15:46 AM MST
As long as your Republican WON! Got to keep the Senate and the House!
And more importantly President Trump will get to make at least one and possibly 3 Supreme Court nominations. This could last for generations.
And I just love the libtard protesters chanting "Not my president, not my president', and they are right.....
....................until next January when whether they like it or not, then he WILL be their president!
I still think I'm going to wake up and find it was all a good dream..and Hillary is the President Elect.
Today some news sites have an article suggesting Clinton should investigate votes in a few key states. Electronic voting was brought into question by people that are apparently grasping at straws.
Using poor comparisons, they "saw" a bias against Clinton in electronic votes.
Some have looked at this and according to them, when you control for demographics, the difference in voting patterns disappears.
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/801221907609579520
Quote from: The_Shadow on November 10 2016 05:40:00 PM MST
This election could have gone the other way easily with the numbers of people that did not vote!
The American People have had enough and didn't want an extension of Obama's failed punishments...in the key states!
However Trump will have a difficult time, as he will be busier that a one arm wall paper hanger!
We will have to see what Obama will try in the next 70+ days
And it's almost like the protesters think if they shout long and loud enough, we'll give them a "do over" election or something. Face it losers, he will be your president for at LEAST four years.
I am still wondering if all those people left the country? You know the folks who promised to leave if Trump won. Did wolfie leave?
I don't know of a single one that actually carried out moving to another country. Stupid idiots never even imagined they might actually see Trump win, so they figured they would never really have to follow through.
All I have to say:
Wikileaks, and Congress' reaction or lack of reaction, proves there are many more politicians who need to be fired.
Nixon resigned for much less.
Well, here we are almost two months into Trumps presidency, and he STILL hasn't started WWIII. My libtard little brother swears he is going to.
Quote from: gandog56 on February 13 2017 10:01:20 AM MST
Well, here we are almost two months into Trumps presidency, and he STILL hasn't started WWIII. My libtard little brother swears he is going to.
Everyone has a right to be a damned fool, your little brother seems to abuse the privilege. (The poor deluded idiot).
No insult to either you or your parents intended.
Quote from: Captain O on February 16 2017 01:14:31 PM MST
Quote from: gandog56 on February 13 2017 10:01:20 AM MST
Well, here we are almost two months into Trumps presidency, and he STILL hasn't started WWIII. My libtard little brother swears he is going to.
Everyone has a right to be a damned fool, your little brother seems to abuse the privilege. (The poor deluded idiot).
No insult to either you or your parents intended.
Hey, insult him all you want to. Little twerp called both me and our mom racists when we both told he we did not like Obozo. According to him, that was the ONLY reason we could have for not loving him.
And he truly believes that, too. I wonder what happened to him when I was in the Navy and he was going to high school in Alabama. Prolly too many bruthas in his class.