Haven't heard anything since the 10MM Magazines were being held up. Anyone know of any updates? Thanks.
Quote from: Sonny10MM on August 28 2016 09:45:09 AM MDT
Haven't heard anything since the 10MM Magazines were being held up. Anyone know of any updates? Thanks.
I have searched a bit on this, from the looks of it, they are working on becoming Bren Ten #2. Supposedly great gun with no mags.
That said I don't bother to try to contact eagle or grand power any more since they never can get their story straight from any angle.
Maybe someone on here has been in contact with Hennessy recently and can shed some additional light on this subject.
It might be out of the running before really getting started!
The magazine issue is nuts and they run 2X the cost of other platforms. Another big question is the street price when another batch hits the market. If they show up > $700, that will be another strike against them versus other platforms. It's really looking like that's the most sound option now... another platform!
Eagle said on FB today they're shipping 10's for purchase and have magazines.
Henning mentioned a LS. He's checking to see what's available now.
Intercooler, please keep us updated. If a 5" is available I would rather have that than the 4.25".
No 5" yet I was told. The 4.25" is available with decocker now through Henning for $699.00 plus shipping to the FFL.
So the price went up a bit.
What were they before?
I am pretty sure Henning told me $679 including shipping. I think I am going to wait a couple of days to see if they show up at some other dealers. I would think Henning would try to contact me. I gave him my credit card info and dealer's FFL back in January.
The GP's have some neat features like the decocker (now), rotating barrel and some really nice machining. That price tag of $699.00 really pushes the envelope on whether it's worth it considering the magazines are also 2X the cost of similar pistols. You can get a Glock 20/29 or Witness for $100-$200 less.
I'm on the list with Henning for a 5" Model. I guess they will be more than $699 though. :( Guess I'll see how my funds hold out if I get the call they are in. I do want to try one. Hope it's worth it.
Quote from: Intercooler on August 30 2016 11:18:35 AM MDT
No 5" yet I was told. The 4.25" is available with decocker now through Henning for $699.00 plus shipping to the FFL.
Would you please PM me Hennings contact info?
Thank you.
It's probably easiest to get Henning at the office number.
Do you have that number handy? Sorry, I've never dealt with him before.
http://henningshop.com/contact
7209996512
Thank you 01Deuce and Intercooler.
So I spoke to a young lady there, she said they do not yet have them in and are taking names for a waiting list. Rats. I'm on the list :)
And a couple hours later, after checking with Eagle Imports he has it. Getting the FFL and all that done, will likely have it next week. Comes with 2 mags for $699.
That's great news! I hope we can get more in people's hands for reports. We need a running video, some accuracy testing and pre/post brass measurements shooting powder puff all the way through Underwood loads.
Got my Email on it last night too. It's a 4.25" version :( and not the 5" I wanted. May not seem like much of a difference, but at $699 I'm going to wait for the one I want.
I'll likely get a 5" when they are available also. Much cheaper than the Sig and I have one of those :)
The lady in the office left me a voicemail about backorders. Everyone should have received a notice.
Yeah, I was just told $699 + $60 for shipping. Too much for me so I cancelled the order.
No doubt! Pricing their product out of the game already when you can get one of these:
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I don't think the Grand Power is a game changer of Glock proportions. But it is interesting to note that the Glock was quite spendy when released at $400 as I recall. Economies of scale have just about made it immune to market inflation as it is still about $400 30 years later.
Wish I could still buy diesel at 1984 prices.
So while I'm waiting for the GP 40 I was wondering. Has anyone found them to be better at NOT throwing brass too far?
The only member here with one said it throws brass a shorter distance. I hope eventually some end up in YouTube video makers hands so we can see!
I may take that challenge :)
It's one of the weak points to most YouTube videos. They rarely do a pistol test the way some of us would! Run it with the weakest to strongest ammo, lightest to heaviest, biggest Meplat, steel cased, etc... then put some real numbers to brass distance, accuracy, etc...
10mm and weakest just don't seem to go together :)
True. In .22LR I found some ammos that wouldn't cycle the slide. Good for a revolver though!
Ok, so Henning emailed me today, they are shipping the gun to my dealer today and it will be there on Monday. Just when I am starting 2 weeks off of work! I should have a chance to do some shooting, I need to load some 200 grain XTP's up over the weekend, I have a ton of 180's with 8.8 grains of Power Pistol. I'm planning to work up a nice load with the 200's and Major Pistol. Fun times! I really need to get a chrono, I guess I should take a look at Amazon and Midway tonight.
Outstanding!
Do you have any good factory ammo like Underwood, Buffalo Bore, Doubletap? Can you do some pre/post brass measurements with pictures? Also maybe a video or some measurements on brass distance? Thanks a bunch.
The only factory ammo that I have is the Sig JHP, other than that I have thousands of reloads, all in Starline. Mostly 180's, mostly 8.8 of PP. I'm thinking of picking up an inexpensive chrono for now over the weekend. Movies are certainly possible, we do have decent phones if nothing else.
Ok, I pick up the GP 40 on Monday, and my Amazon Ballistic Precision Chrono comes on Monday also.
That sounds interesting! Throw some pictures up of it too when you can.
I will definitely do that. I'm really interested to see how far it throws the brass too.
Looking forward to your reporting back to us too.
And a few weeks ago I thought I might have a boring vacation :)
Interesting news, let see how long they can keep a stream of them coming in. If they actually submitted the paperwork like they said they did all that time ago, we only have about 6 months to wait before the 5" should be cleared for import.
I can't shake a feeling they just stockpiled some mags to be able to make a reasonable sized shipment. Kinda concerned they might be in the same problematic circumstance in just a few days to weeks.
Those that get them, let us know how they shoot! ;D
Ok, so I just got home with the GP 40 and my Amazon delivery of a chronograph was waiting in the driveway. So here is a photograph of the GP 40 in the box, I need to strip it and clean it before I can shoot it. Very similar in size to a G20, weighs just a bit less. G20 1.718 and the GP 40 is 1.706, so not much difference. I just noticed the color in this picture is way off, I'll take some as I strip and clean it.
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In case you want to order replacement sights be aware that these are MK12 firearms, not MK7. I ordered a tritium front sight for mine and it didn't fit.
Looks good! This should be the Decocker version. Video of the decocker in action if you can.
Ok, here is a comparison of the GP 40 barrel and the G20 barrel. I am extremely impressed with the barrel of the GP 40, I have to say it is the best chamber support I have seen yet in a 10mm. The G20 however is not too bad, they have gotten better over the years. This is about a 4-5 year old Gen3. I need to get a picture of the chamber support in my G29.
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Two more points.
1. The finish on the barrel is unbelievably nice. It likely has to be for the barrel to rotate, but it is awesome. A lot of time went into the machine work.
2. I took it out in the front yard and put 10 rounds though it, 8.8 of PP with a 180 FMJFP. If the ground behind and about 6 feet to my right wasn't a concrete parking pad on a slope I imagine I would have been able to just scoop up the brass. As it was I had to pick it up, but without moving my feet . This may be the 10mm reloaders dream gun.
One more thing while I am thinking about it.
Take down is a breeze. Pull the slide back (empty gun of course and no mag) with one hand while pulling down on the 'Glock style' tabs pull the slide back all the way and lift the back up.
To put it back together it takes quite a bit of work, perhaps it gets better with time. It is just the reverse of the above, but the recoil spring tends to get bunched up and in the way. It probably took me 10 tries. You also have to push the barrel up in the slide.
Quote from: SavageOne on September 12 2016 11:37:00 AM MDT
In case you want to order replacement sights be aware that these are MK12 firearms, not MK7. I ordered a tritium front sight for mine and it didn't fit.
Excellent, thank you. I will be getting night sights for this.
I have found that if you run the barrel all the way out and reassemble with the barrel hanging towards the floor, it's a lot easier. The only night sights, available, for the MK12 are the rear tritium sights. At this time they don't have a front sight for it. Eagle does offer red or green fiber optic front/rear for the MK12. It's great to see another GP out there. I really like this firearm and use it as my EDC.
Thank you, more good information.
Quote from: SavageOne on September 12 2016 02:14:28 PM MDT
I have found that if you run the barrel all the way out and reassemble with the barrel hanging towards the floor, it's a lot easier. The only night sights, available, for the MK12 are the rear tritium sights. At this time they don't have a front sight for it. Eagle does offer red or green fiber optic front/rear for the MK12. It's great to see another GP out there. I really like this firearm and use it as my EDC.
So the MK7 was the older style with the trigger guard you pulled to do take down, and the MK12 is the newer one?
I found many of the points you stated the same in my 9mm K100 version. Great machining and high quality with the best support out there. So it tossed the brass less than 10'? Is yours a decocker?
It should be a matter of time until Dawson or one of the others sells a night front. I still prefer a Lasermax Micro green laser on the rail.
http://10mm-firearms.com/gunsmithing/eagle-imports-(grand-power)-tritium-night-sights/
Quote from: Intercooler on September 12 2016 03:35:40 PM MDT
I found many of the points you stated the same in my 9mm K100 version. Great machining and high quality with the best support out there. So it tossed the brass less than 10'? Is yours a decocker?
It should be a matter of time until Dawson or one of the others sells a night front. I still prefer a Lasermax Micro green laser on the rail.
Yes, it is a decocker. I am going to set the chrono up tomorrow and will get some velocity readings. Will put some of the Sig 180 JHP through it as well. I am going to compare the G20 and the GP 40. I am guessing 10' or less, I will measure it tomorrow. It is much less than any of my other 10mm though. This is looking good so far.
Quote from: Intercooler on September 12 2016 03:44:51 PM MDT
http://10mm-firearms.com/gunsmithing/eagle-imports-(grand-power)-tritium-night-sights/
So that front sight is for a MK7, I 'think' that won't work for a MK12.
I wonder if Dawson has one that will work now? Sometimes they can make something up behind the scenes.
It sounds pretty good so far. Can you get some brass pre/post measurements? I would like to see how one does with some 200-230 Hardcast!
I don't have any 200 hardcast, but I just bought 1K of 200 XTP's. I'm planning on working a load up with Heavy Pistol (same as AA9) and using those.
Quote from: Intercooler on September 12 2016 03:57:49 PM MDT
I wonder if Dawson has one that will work now? Sometimes they can make something up behind the scenes.
Good question, I sent them an email this morning.
Has anyone seen these for sale anywhere? Although I cancelled my order with Henning, I may still buy one if I can find it under $700 shipped. I have been watching Gun Broker and several dealer websites and haven't seen anything yet. I'm beginning to wonder if Eagle only got in a few again this time.
Phone Henning up and see what he can do. I don't see them anywhere as well.
I'm still on the list for a 5" with Henning. Someone on this thread suggested the 5" Models should be available in the Fall. I hope so after passing on the 4.25" Model. :-[
I guess the 4.25" would be more for the people looking to carry and the 5" for range only use?
Range use or hunting, though I've never found a 5" too big in the right holster. Over that though (IMO) does get cumbersome.
So I wanted at least two more magazines. I considered modifying some, but saw the Eagle Imports sells them for $32 (plus shipping of course) and that wasn't horrible. I ordered 2.
Really? They have dropped then! I picked up a couple for my K100 from a private person for $25.
They would have cost me $24 plus shipping unmodified.
Intercooler, Century has 15rd K100 mags listed at $17.87 each. I'm sure these are older mags that are left over from when they sold the K100 Mk7 pistols. Not sure if they have them in stock and I'm not sure but maybe you have to be a dealer to order from them?
Thanks for the information! I'm good on 9mm mags, but if that $32 deal for the 10's is worth stashing a few for anyone thinking about getting this or the LS.
Being an enabler :)
https://grandpower.eagleimportsinc.com/grandpower/shop/magazines/14-round-magazine-gp-40-sw-10-mm (https://grandpower.eagleimportsinc.com/grandpower/shop/magazines/14-round-magazine-gp-40-sw-10-mm)
How much was shipping from Eagle?
$12 UPS. CDNN or Copes would have been $10, so no big difference. And when all is said and done I don't have to modify them.
Standard shipping is $12.00
I started working a ladder today with Lovex / Shooters World Heavy Pistol D037.2. It is for all I can tell identical to AA #9. Things were kind of boring until I got to 12.5 grains with a 200 Hornady XTP.
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The GP-40 was very controllable and I am beginning to love the SA trigger. It has been a while since I shot a DA/SA and I forgot how nice it is. Nicer than the Glock when you are shooting SA. There was no case bulging and it still puts the brass in a nice neat pile for me. I did shoot one round though my G20 and it had a slight case bulge. I have the brass, I'll measure it if anyone is interested. This was all once or twice fired Starline, this batch only went through my Sig before today. I believe there is a lot to be said for the rotating barrel, it seems to be much more consistent for throwing the brass, and not nearly as far either.
Are those velocities out of the GP? Any brass measurements or video?
Yes, those are chrono readings out of the Grand Power. How should I measure the brass? I saved it just wasn't sure where to take the measurements. To be honest the brass looks really good.
I figured it would look really good. Here is where to measure:
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Is that 1270 FPS with a 200gr bullet? That's 715 lbs at the muzzle. Really good!
Are you still running the stock "red" spring? I can give you measurements if you want to step to a 20lb or higher CZ-75 spring. That might reduce the throw even more!
The stock CZ recoil spring measured ~ 4.865" and I had to whittle it down a coil or two at a time. When I could finally get the slide on it was about identical in length to the stock GP spring in length. The cut spring is 3.935" and the GP spring measures 3.900"
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Quote from: Intercooler on September 17 2016 06:22:21 PM MDT
I figured it would look really good. Here is where to measure:
(http://shootersnotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Anvil-Too-Large.jpg)
Is that 1270 FPS with a 200gr bullet? That's 715 lbs at the muzzle. Really good!
I figured that was where to measure so I took those already. On all 5 rounds it was .422 before and .424 - .425 after firing. The Glock was .428 after firing and clocked 1281.
That is 1270 FPS with a 200 gr Hornady XTP. I picked a thousand of them up on sale last month. I'm really happy with this gun. The felt recoil is much lower and there isn't as much muzzle flip.
Quote from: Intercooler on September 17 2016 06:27:22 PM MDT
Are you still running the stock "red" spring? I can give you measurements if you want to step to a 20lb or higher CZ-75 spring. That might reduce the throw even more!
Yes, still running everything stock until I shoot it some more. Right now I'm amazed. What is the stock spring, do you know?
According to the guys in Slovakia, it's comes stock with a 6.5kg spring which converts to 14.33#. Seems like there would be plenty of room for increasing spring weight.
So I believe that what we know about recoil springs may not apply to the rotating barrel. A 14 lb spring isn't nearly enough in a short recoil design, but may be plenty in a rotating barrel. The gun doesn't recoil that hard at all. I will try to get some video but may need to wait a week. We will see.
I had to go down in my 9mm on the spring weight (hence the cut-down). The red spring seemed too strong IMO for even +P. I think I went with a 10lb spring which is what I run in my EAA Limited 9mm even with +P+. I'm pretty sure the red spring feels stronger than what whey rate it. You might be good to go across the board with it... however... swapping to a Wolff spring you will know exactly where you are at and what works.
I'm sure to swap it at some point, it is running really well right now with no defects out of the box. No FTF or FTE, it just runs. Like a Glock :)
I doubt any frame battering, so I would just leave it too. How was the accuracy? My K100 shoots like a Witness when I do my part.
Quote from: Intercooler on September 17 2016 08:32:09 PM MDT
I doubt any frame battering, so I would just leave it too. How was the accuracy? My K100 shoots like a Witness when I do my part.
The accuracy is great :)
I need to get a couple hundred of the 200 XTP's loaded up. I think I am staying right there at 12.5 . Very consistent.
I wonder if we will eventually see one of these fall in the hands of a real YouTube tester? Not just someone who runs one ammo type through it and about 50 rounds...then talks about it like it's awesome!
Once my wife gets home I'll get some videos, tough to do that until she does.
Well, I am no self professed YouTube tester, but I have run hundreds of rounds of multiple ammos through mine and I think it's awesome. This not to say it is, it just is for me. I don't think I would ever find a G20 awesome, even while I acknowledge that it is a reliable, durable, popular platform.
Quote from: SavageOne on September 20 2016 11:34:08 PM MDT
Well, I am no self professed YouTube tester, but I have run hundreds of rounds of multiple ammos through mine and I think it's awesome. This not to say it is, it just is for me. I don't think I would ever find a G20 awesome, even while I acknowledge that it is a reliable, durable, popular platform.
I agree, I already like the GP 40 much more than my G20. If everything else was equal it handles the spent brass much better.
I'm sure as more get out videos will follow. I like the torture tests like MAC is currently running on pistols. I think the GP wouldn't do real hot in those dirt tests with the rotating barrel. Hopefully someone goes over the decocker function. Having tried the Sig and CZ decockers, I wasn't a fan of either.
Quote from: Intercooler on September 21 2016 07:05:42 AM MDT
I'm sure as more get out videos will follow. I like the torture tests like MAC is currently running on pistols. I think the GP wouldn't do real hot in those dirt tests with the rotating barrel. Hopefully someone goes over the decocker function. Having tried the Sig and CZ decockers, I wasn't a fan of either.
It is actually a decocker / safety. It decocks, but it stays in the decock position until pushed back up. In the decock position every shot is DA.
Centimeter
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Nice, what is different from the GP 40?
Hmmm. I haven't seen the 4.25" up close yet. In looking at the picture of this one... extended safeties, fiber front, adjustable rear and 5" barrel/slide.
That's interesting looking...the switches look like prison cell door controls.
Some of the grip features may not be desirable, depending on how pronounced they are. This would need to be an in hand fit testing to see how it feels! ::)
The grip on the P40 doesn't have the replaceable backstraps. That said, I and everyone who have held my P40 10mm have found it to be very comfortable. I did add the Tractiongrips to it. Without it the grip can be very slick.
As to the switches, the look like 2 position spring return. Very common in any industrial area.
Yes, I find it very comfortable. Feels much better in the hand than my G20.
Where would one find one of these mystical beasts? Can't seem to talk to anyone that has any knowledge of them..
If the 4.25" is your game phone Henning up. He's the best shot at getting one if one is around to be had.
True enough, he found one for me.
A couple pictures.
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Quote from: Intercooler on September 22 2016 04:23:05 AM MDT
Hmmm. I haven't seen the 4.25" up close yet. In looking at the picture of this one... extended safeties, fiber front, adjustable rear and 5" barrel/slide.
That's the one I want with the 5" barrel. Do you know where I can order one?
Eagle hasn't released the 5" model yet (and we asked the other day with no response). Hopefully before the end of the year it will surface!
So according to http://www.grandpower.eu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=177&start=10 the Centimeter engraving was custom for a European customer, it is a 5" GP 40, but with extended controls at the least I would guess. The grip is the same, extremely comfortable.
Quote from: Intercooler on September 22 2016 05:26:07 PM MDT
Eagle hasn't released the 5" model yet (and we asked the other day with no response). Hopefully before the end of the year it will surface!
Thanks. It will be my Christmas present to myself. I know you all understand. :D
I checked with Henning tonight and if anyone wants a 4.25", he's your man.
Henning out of town for now! Out of the country really!
Yup. We can still get him though which is great.
How many rounds is everyone at now? Any real light or heavy bullets put through? I don't see any popping up for sale.
500-1000 rds so far. Generally, 155-180 gr bullets. I have a few MagSafe but haven't tried them yet. I would also like to try some of the Underwood 115 gr. Maximum Defender.
Any issues? Are you still running the stock red spring? I'm hoping someone runs some big hardcast through it like Doubletap 230's or similar.
No hardcast, but I ran about 200 or so 200 grain XTP's with a healthy dose of Major Pistol (AA 9) and got my 1250 so I'm very happy.
Quote from: Intercooler on October 24 2016 04:17:32 PM MDT
Any issues? Are you still running the stock red spring? I'm hoping someone runs some big hardcast through it like Doubletap 230's or similar.
Still running the red spring. The only issues I have had were some FTF, early on, with some PPU which I believe were under powered and FTF, last range trip, with some Sellor & Bellot which I think was related to a dirty gun. Strangely enough, on the last range trip the PPU ran flawlessly. I think these rounds are from a different, more powerful lot. Other than that the gun has run great.
Eagle says they have LS pistols there with release in the next month or so. They better push it to beat Shot Show!
I'm interested in purchasing the P40L in 10mm so decided to contact Eagle.
Just read their reply dated 11-7 which states "we do know that the GP40L is not coming into the USA at this time".
Well obviously that could change tomorrow, besides I'd imagine Eagle don't want to stunt P40 sales by announcing the P40L until they are stocked locked n ready to rock. So I just wrote david.copping@grandpower.eu (Dave), asking him to reply here on this post with any information that he may have. Incase anyone was wondering I included this link.
The reason I did this and have reason to believe he "may" respond here, is Jesse Adkins commented on one of the youtube vids that Dave made about the P40, inviting him to comment here, and Dave actually asked for the link. But sadly I think that was missed...
Anyway that was two years ago, perhaps he will drop by and enlighten us about the status of the P40L in 10MM. If not, we all have his email :P
read the last few comments at the bottom of this vid to see Dave actually asked for a link but wasn't given one. :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_E_murr6go (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_E_murr6go)
David is registered here and has stopped by a couple of times. I haven't seen him around in a while! I wonder if he still works the Canada side?
Henning Wallgren says he has some GP 10mm guns in stock, not on the website so you will have to call!
QuoteOur shop just got in four Grand Power 10mm pistols with decockers. If you're interested in buying one, give us a call.720 999 6512 The guns are not online. You can also send an email to orders@henningshop.com (http://orders@henningshop.com)
These are decocker 4.25" barrel versions.
I want to get another, but with wife's birthday, our anniversary and Christmas.. I better wait until January.
Quote from: Intercooler on November 11 2016 02:15:10 AM MST
David is registered here and has stopped by a couple of times. I haven't seen him around in a while! I wonder if he still works the Canada side?
If he does respond, just take anything he says with a significant grain of salt. ::) That enough from me about him before I get him or me in trouble.
The ideal version I would want is a 6", double stack. Unsure why they don't make one. May not be a market for it there, or it may be too far from the sweet spot in which a rotating barrel operates reliably? or off in the future?
At any rate I can settle for a 5", double stack, that doesn't throw brass twenty feet away, for now. In the not too distant future, er I Hope!
A 4.25", single stack, not so much. So the waiting game continues.
Quote from: Chris P Bacon on November 13 2016 05:32:03 PM MST
The ideal version I would want is a 6", double stack. Unsure why they don't make one. May not be a market for it there, or it may be too far from the sweet spot in which a rotating barrel operates reliably? or off in the future?
At any rate I can settle for a 5", double stack, that doesn't throw brass twenty feet away, for now. In the not too distant future, er I Hope!
A 4.25", single stack, not so much. So the waiting game continues.
It makes a good carry piece. Waiting for a longer barrel for hunting.
Quote from: Chris P Bacon on November 13 2016 05:32:03 PM MST
The ideal version I would want is a 6", double stack. Unsure why they don't make one. May not be a market for it there, or it may be too far from the sweet spot in which a rotating barrel operates reliably? or off in the future?
At any rate I can settle for a 5", double stack, that doesn't throw brass twenty feet away, for now. In the not too distant future, er I Hope!
A 4.25", single stack, not so much. So the waiting game continues.
The 4.25" is a double stack. 14+1
The GP 10mm's are starting to show up on Gun Broker. There are 3 listed this morning but they are still priced a bit higher than I want to pay.
I only see one on there now. It's pretty spendy at $712 for a Polymer piece.
I'm not sure how you are searching but I still see 3, 709, 712 and 725.
Grand Power 10mm
Try P40 10mm.
Anyone having problems with mags dropping or loose/wobbly mags?
For the first couple of mags I had problems with the mag releasing until I changed my grip slightly. No problems since.
Not since I started being a little more forceful on my mag changes. I started making sure I gave them a good, solid slam home and I haven't had a mag drop since. Are you starting to have issues with your 9mm?
I would like to see a video of the "slop". I imagine that might be an okay thing when filled with 230gr Hardcast.
Centerfireguns has the GP 10mm for $642 and free shipping. That was good enough for me so I went ahead and ordered one.
http://www.centerfireguns.com/bersa-10mm-14r-bl-gpp4010md.html?source=slickguns
Quote from: gcw16 on December 13 2016 09:06:53 AM MST
Centerfireguns has the GP 10mm for $642 and free shipping. That was good enough for me so I went ahead and ordered one.
http://www.centerfireguns.com/bersa-10mm-14r-bl-gpp4010md.html?source=slickguns
That's certainly a better price than they have been on GunBroker lately. Hope you enjoy your new 10MM pistol.
Out of stock already :o
Still showing "in stock" for me. Are you looking at the right one? They have a listing for the older version that is out of stock. The link above goes to the new version with the decocker. If you go to their website and search for "P40" it brings up both and some other stuff. There is no picture for the new version.
Great price and free shipping, can't beat it. Get your spare mags from Eagle Imports for $32.00 each. Much cheaper than the GB sellers I've seen.
That was fast! I just ordered the P40 yesterday at about 11:00am eastern. It was delivered to my dealer today at 11:45 am, just over 24 hours! My dealer was nice enough to let me come by tonight to pick it up.
It was shipped "2nd Day Air" UPS but for some reason it was delivered overnight. BTW, Centerfire guns is in Colorado but the gun was shipped from a distributor in Louisiana. That seems to be the norm anymore.
Going to the range tomorrow! BTW, Centerfire still shows them in stock.
So what's the verdict on these? Better than a standard Witness? I'm skeptical of new guns. I want to see thousands of rounds through one with no problems. For the price these are going I could almost buy 2 witnesses.
I truthfully have had not a single malfunction since I purchased it a couple months ago. I have about 2K through it so far. It is a very unique action and it certainly reduces recoil more than my Glocks or 1911's or even my Sig.
OK, the first range trip wasn't so great. Due to limited time and having a couple of other guns I wanted to shoot, I only put 50 rounds through the P40. I had 4 mags (I had bought 2 a few months ago in anticipation of buying the gun) and with every mag it failed to fully chamber the last round in the mag. It only took a light tap on the back of the slide to chamber the round. Other than that I liked it. The trigger is OK but nothing great. The rotating barrel does seem to help mitigate the recoil. It seems to remove the sharpness, leaving just a good healthy push. Accuracy was fine. The fired brass looked good. I was shooting a handload of 8.7 gr. of Longshot with a 180 gr. FMJ bullet. Next time I will try a hotter load with 9.3 gr. of Longshot.
COAL or mag springs need replaced. Yeah, I know they are new mags.
I concur and I'm likely leaning to COAL. I have had great success with 1.250, what is yours?
1.260 runs in the glocks and witnesses just fine. But only certain bullet shapes in the 1911. It needs them 1.250 for reliability.
My load is a 180gr FMJ flat nose bullet loaded to a length of 1.250. This works fine in all of my other guns.
So have you had a chance to shoot it again? Tried a different bullet? I have shot a truncated nose bullet with no issues, I'll have to check to see what profile I have on hand. Which bullet is it your are having trouble with?
I got back to the range today. Anyone know how Eagle's customer Service is? I think this one is going back. I took more of my handloads and a box of SIG factory FMJ's. Both are 180gr round nose flat points. The SIG actually performed worse than my handloads.My handloads only failed to feed once per mag, the last round. The SIG ammo failed to feed on every round till it got down to 5 or 6 rounds and the would work fine until jamming on the last round again. I measured some SIG rounds when I got home and found the COALto vary between 1.242 and 1.260. I also had another problem today. It started dropping the mag. It did this with all mags and got worse the more I shot. At the end it was dropping the mag every 2 or 3 rounds. I made sure I was not hitting the release. I guess I will find out about Eagle's customer service.
Well that is unfortunate. I suspect their customer service is very good for repairs, as it has been very good for magazines and sights so far. Please keep us informed.
Keep us in the loop. Sorry to hear it's not working out so great so far.