...but it's not in 10mm...yet. It came in all-black and 45 Auto because, it seems, that's what I ordered. BUT...I today ordered a 10mm barrel and complete bolt assembly ($192 delivered) so I'll have both calibers. The 10mm barrel I ordered with an anodized-darkbrown barrel nut so I could tell the two barrels apart easily. I mounted a 'BARSKA Electro Sight 1X30 M16 Sight' #AC10984 (from Amazon for c. $70 delivered probably because it was a return with 'possibly damaged' original box). It mounted easily and off I went. Took LOTS longer than I thought it would to sight in the sight, since I wasn't smart enough to take along its instructions, but about a hundred cartridges later it was accurately shooting about a half-inch high and had destroyed dozens of those pesky waterjugs (of which I still have LOTS). :D
This is my first UBR; it's heavier than it looks and kicks my office-boy-soft-and-tender-and-arthritic-and-worn-out shoulder more than I thought it would, but that may have lots to do with its quite-hard-rubber buttplate. Since the carbine is a good bit shorter than I think it ought to be, two soft, thickish pads, plus a larger grip, are on their way from Midway. On my way north I stopped at Glockmeister and bought three Glock-brand 13rd. mags which functioned perfectly with both my 185g. practice reloads and Federal HST 230 +Ps. The carbine came with one SMG Tactical 24rd. mag which I tried after shooting a bunch with the Glock 13s. With the SMG, the carbine jammed feeding the 2nd reload; I removed it and didn't touch it again.
I think this will be enjoyable to shoot in both calibers. Next time out I'll chrono my practice and Federal HSTs in both this carbine and my S&W M&P 45C pistol and report results...and try the 10mm combination. I have two Glock 15rd. mags just dying to be used in it.
Nice! Another range report when you get the 10MM barrel in I trust.
You bet! I was going out today, but something prevented that. Tomorrow!
Funny little thing. The barrel is NOT stainless-steel, so I must actually clean it often! Imagine that! So I went out to my little toolroom, grabbed my guncleaning tote, and guess what?...no rod long enough for a 16" barrel. Problem solved this morn by spending another $43!
Got it out again Thursday after mounting the 4X scope included with the carbine*. I've read opinions that its optical quality is poor, but it looked fine to me. But probably I wasn't paying great attention to its optical quality because I was--again--consuming lots of ammo getting it sighted in; seems its adjustment instructions are backward. I left with it shooting dead on at 10 yards with my 180g. practice ammo and about a half-inch left with the Federal 230g. HST +Ps. I'll be shooting this with only the inexpensive Winchester 10mm, 180g. PD bullets...
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/1390103549/winchester-bullets-40-s-and-w-10mm-auto-400-diameter-180-grain-jacketed-hollow-point
...and I'll final-adjust it with them.
Had lots of trouble with my chrono registering any velocities due apparently to sun glare--and it got blown over in a gust--so ended up not using it. Came home and ordered a LabRadar that should solve those problems. ;D
Am and will be using genuine-Glock mags in it--13rd. 45s and 15rd. 10s--and had NO jams or other failures in about 200 rounds of reloads and Federal-factory stuff with the 45.
Still haven't heard from TNW about my barrel-and-bolt order of Tuesday. :(
* The BARSKA red-reticle sight was barely bright enough to see in Tuesday's bright light...and the sunlight is virtually always bright in the Arizona desert.
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Haven't been out with my carbine for a few days, so maybe tomorrow I'll go destroy some of those pesky waterjugs. TNW did not have 10mm barrels in stock last week so had to make some; hence my barrel and bolt assembly in 10mm was shipped just today; they'll be here Thursday.
Have decided to get rid of my 40S&W stuff--M&P pistol, supplies, ammo, etc., and keep and reload only 45 Auto and 10mm Auto; I have limited amounts of patience and space and just don't want to keep one more pistol and a bunch of supplies I wouldn't ordinarily have. Two calibers will be plenty of fun for me. :)
Without the benefit of receiving or having shot the 10mm barrel for the Aero carbine, for 10mm I've settled on the Winchester JHP180* for all reloads for the 10mm carbine, Montana Gold plated-HP155s for the Witness Polymer 10 practice, and the 155g. Barnes TAC-XP handloads for EDC PD ammo. For the 45 Auto, I'm keeping the Federal factory HST 230 +Ps for PD and the MG or other plated 185s for practice including blowing up waterjugs for both pistol (an M&P compact) and carbine.
Will be trying my third optical sight, this time an Aim Sport 2X-7X by 32mm pistol scope...
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/aimsports-2-7x32mm-pistol-scope-matte-black?a=762855
We'll see how that does. :)
* 51 pounds of which arrived yesterday. Hmm...2000 times 180 = 360,000 grains, divided by 7000 = 51.4 pounds!
Oh ya...my LabRadar will be arriving this week. No more sensor screens and tripod blown over nor shots with no velocity readings due to glare from the sun. ;D
Jeffrey, are all of these TNW carbines left hand eject? ???
Quote from: The_Shadow on July 19 2016 07:27:24 AM MDT
Jeffrey, are all of these TNW carbines left hand eject? ???
User selectable.
That cool! I thought I had see some with right side ejection.
First, the original grip was too small, mostly front to back; I could operate the trigger with the 2nd joint of my index finger. I found an inexpensive larger grip at Midway...
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/417866/tapco-saw-style-pistol-grip-ar-15?cm_mmc=se_service-_-shippingconf-_-shippingconf-_-ProductShippedTodayLink
It's just right for my medium-sized hands, looks good, and has a small storage compartment.
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Required a little filing of the opening to get it to slide on.
Also ordered a couple recoil pads. One's a slide-on...
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/480595/limbsaver-recoil-pad-snap-on-ar-15-universal-6-position-1-4-step-down-rubber?cm_mmc=se_service-_-shippingconf-_-shippingconf-_-ProductShippedTodayLink
It's quite soft, has plenty of stiction, fits adequately...
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(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k220/jeffreybehr/Shooting%20stuff/Aero%20Survival%20Rifle/2016%20Buttpad%20right_1800w_zpseld0xivz.jpg) (http://s89.photobucket.com/user/jeffreybehr/media/Shooting%20stuff/Aero%20Survival%20Rifle/2016%20Buttpad%20right_1800w_zpseld0xivz.jpg.html)
...but looks plenty-good-enough to me. :)
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One quick tip for owners who have not yet changed the bolt in one of these--the trigger assembly must be removed first. That's merely implied by the instructions. The whole thing is quite easy to field strip and clean.
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k220/jeffreybehr/Shooting%20stuff/Aero%20Survival%20Rifle/2016July20_Field%20stripped_1800w_zps5hflubcb.jpg) (http://s89.photobucket.com/user/jeffreybehr/media/Shooting%20stuff/Aero%20Survival%20Rifle/2016July20_Field%20stripped_1800w_zps5hflubcb.jpg.html)
TOMORROW the 10mm barrel and bolt and the LabRadar arrive.
Well...
The 10mm barrel and bolt arrived yesterday and I got them installed, but somehow apparently I fouled something, because now the trigger assembly's hammer won't engage the sear of the trigger, so the carbine no longer goes BANG. I called TNW this morning; they wanted the rifle back to repair and make absolutely sure everything was right, but I offered to buy a new trigger assembly and return the old one for repair. The new one will be in the Priority Mail Monday*.
Meanwhile I'll get out with my pistols and LabRADAR Sunday and report.
* TNW is so back-ordered on this ASR that they have NO stock and have to build a trigger assembly to mail to me.
By changing the grip, did that screw go too deep possibly???
Only a week late*, the new 10/45 trigger assembly arrived today. Without breaking anything, I managed to get everything assembled and got it out for a quick shoot just to be sure it goes bang; it does. I took along maybe a half-dozen different reloads assembled for it and my pistol, and except for a couple first singles, it functioned perfectly with all of them and all-four Glock-20.4 mags I have. Recoil was mild shooting from the hip--I hadn't installed the sight for this shake-down--and it definitely sounds different than my pistol. I'll take it along tomorrow for chono'ing and sighting-in and report.
FWIW, the original carbine was all black; I ordered the 10mm barrel and the new trigger assembly in dark-brown, and it looks quite good, even if the trigger frame is golden, not dark, brown.
* TNW is VERY back-ordered on this carbine
...2-7x32 pistol Scout Scope mounted.
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Might even get it sighted in Saturday. :)
I shot it with maybe a half-dozen reloads and some PPU factory 180s and it functioned perfectly except for several top-cartridge-in-the mag instances when it failed to feed the cartridge into the chamber. If I cleared that 1st cartridge, the next 1st cartridge failed to feed. If with the bolt locked open I single-fed a cartridge into the chamber, closed the bolt, and inserted the mag, it worked perfectly every time. Today I loaded a few dummies to 1.26" OAL, and they fed perfectly, but the 'regular' reloads, too, did. So...maybe tomorrow I'll get the 1.26"ers out to see how they do.
Anyone else have this problem?
Seems my carbine, using Glock20.4 15rd. mags, prefers longer rather than shorter cartridges. I load my pistol's rounds to 1.25", but 1.26" and even 1.27" eliminates most--but not all--of the failures to feed. I'm about to call TNW to see what they say about it.
FWIW, it functions perfectly other than this.
Quote from: jeffreybehr on August 11 2016 03:44:27 PM MDT
Seems my carbine, using Glock20.4 15rd. mags, prefers longer rather than shorter cartridges. I load my pistol's rounds to 1.25", but 1.26" and even 1.27" eliminates most--but not all--of the failures to feed. I'm about to call TNW to see what they say about it.
...
Update: TNW's 'Scott', who is not the ASR tech. wizard, told me two things--one is that the 10mm barrel's feed ramp was slightly redesigned just a few weeks ago and that I may have the initial version of barrel; and that he believes the follower in the Glock20 mags has been changed slightly so that the nose of the cartridge sits slightly too high at the bullet...BUT...he's not sure of this, so I shouldn't start modifying my mags. The tech. will call me tomorrow.
Chris, the technician, asked a bunch of questions and finally offered to send a new barrel as soon as he could find one, including a return label for my barrel. I infer from the offer of a new barrel that it may well have been redesigned recently; Chris said nothing about Glock 20.4 mag followers.
I plan to shoot my carbine at longer ranges tomorrow at Ben Avery; we'll see how it does, at functioning and grouping.
...and EVERY top cartridge in any mag failed to feed; good thing TNW is sending a new barrel.
I decided to sight it in again carefully using the final practice load I've chosen** and started with dead-on at 10 yards...which turned out to be a mistake. I know and knew there's a substantial difference--about 2.4 inches--between the bore line and the sight line, and I knew the trajectory would be rising, but I didn't anticipate it'd be as much as it is, to the point where the 50-yard POI was about a foot high and generally off my target. I'll restart the process tomorrow with POI about 2" low at 10 yards and see where we go from there.
Other than the constant top-cartridge-nonfeeding problem, the carbine shot very nicely and relatively softly even from the bench; I guess that LimbSaver slip-on recoil pad* did its job very well.
* and the maybe-half-inch-thick pad of terrytowel I took with me so that I didn't damage my arthritic right shoulder.
** the Winchester 180 at about 1125FPS
Quote from: 10-7 leo on August 14 2016 11:54:14 AM MDT
jeffrey, after you get it sighted in for 50 yards, if wouldn't mind, would you post your group size and what your recipe (or ammo) is?
Certainly, and I had some good results for a while today until my 'scope started coming apart, so it turned into time to go home.
One interesting result was getting a 180g. Winchester bullet going 1419FPS-MV with 11.2g. of N105 with an extreme spread of only 10FPS from a small sample of 4 shots. (VV's max. charge is 9.9g. for c. 1250FPS from a 5.5" barrel.) All resulting primer pockets were still tight, so I might squeeze another tenth or two into the cases. I think the only reason I can get this much of N105 into these cases is because I'm seating the bullets to an OAL of 1.27".
Quote from: jeffreybehr on August 14 2016 11:16:01 PM MDT
Quote from: 10-7 leo on August 14 2016 11:54:14 AM MDT
jeffrey, after you get it sighted in for 50 yards, if wouldn't mind, would you post your group size and what your recipe (or ammo) is?
Certainly, and I had some good results for a while today until my 'scope started coming apart, so it turned into time to go home.
One interesting result was getting a 180g. Winchester bullet going 1419FPS-MV with 11.2g. of N105 with an extreme spread of only 10FPS from a small sample of 4 shots. (VV's max. charge is 9.9g. for c. 1250FPS from a 5.5" barrel.) All resulting primer pockets were still tight, so I might squeeze another tenth or two into the cases. I think the only reason I can get this much of N105 into these cases is because I'm seating the bullets to an OAL of 1.27".
And I'm STILL working on this. >:(
One thing I've determined--mine, if no others, seems NOT to be a 100-yard longarm. Today shot some good groups, but at 100 yards, the 'group' appears more like a 4-aught-shotshell pattern...at 100 yards. The 50-yard 10-shot group measured almost 5", and the resulting 100-yard attempt was so low only 4 shots were on the target paper. For other reasons, I decided a few days ago to use only 'better' bullets for all my 10mm practice loads and ordered 3000 XTP180s while Midway had them on sale, so I guess I'm starting over. But I'm smarter now...I think. :-[
Bullets arrive tomorrow, and I'll be at Ben Avery Saturday. Today's official high temp was only 101dF and it was noticeably not as hot. 102dF is forecast for Saturday.
Oh yea...got the Win180s to 1461FPS-MV today over 11.4g. of N105,
only 1.5g. over VV's max. of 9.9, and the resulting primer pockets are still tight. That's plenty fast for me!
OK, finally. Started today with the new, somewhat-faster practice loads using the XTP180s--specifically StarLine nickeled cases, WLPs, 6.0-6.3* of Universal, XTP180 seated to about 1.254-1.258. Average muzzle velocity is 1216FPS, ES34, sample size 5. After starting at 15 yards and then centering the groups at 25 yards, the 50-yards groups averaged about 4" for 5 shots. My earlier practice load using the Win180 and 5.8-6.1g. of Universal with a MV of 1160FPS shot 5", 5-shot groups at 50 yards. All of these were shot using an inexpensive plastic rest and a pistol scope set usually on 4X.
Other than I'm still waiting for the new 10mm barrel (coming because this one won't feed any first round of a magazine with an open bolt), I'm finished frustrating myself trying to adjust the sights/scope of this carbine.
Hmm...maybe I'll restart the high-velocity loads with N105. ;D
* These are the extremes of what my measure dispenses; the majority of the charges are 6.1 or 6.2g. 2016Aug28 note: I've since changed to a different Lee powder measure; it's good for plus-or-minus 0.1g., and I'm now loading the XTP180s with 6.5±0.1g. of Universal for cc. 1280FPS-MV.
My buddy and I had a great couple hours blowing up waterjugs, etc., this afternoon at 'Bumblebee Mine'. The carbine (and my S&W M&P 45C) performed flawlessly but for the former's inability to feed the first cartridge in the mag, which I now habitually obviate by filling the chamber manually and closing the bolt before seating a mag. TNW apparently will be sending the new 10mm barrel soon, as they sent me a return label this afternoon.
I have felt for a week or three that this carbine is not as noisy as my 4.6"-barrel pistol, and having someone else shoot it confirmed that. I think it's time to again increase the velocity of my carbine-practice rounds, maybe to around 1275 for the next batch of 100.
Shot an XTP180 thru two layers of denim:
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Looks just like an expanded XTP, which is plenty fine. :)
The one thru the 6-layer pad escaped due to my poor shooting. :-[
Hurray!!!!!!!!! Received the new 10mm barrel today and tried--but didn't shoot them--several different combinations of cartridges, # of carts. in the mags, dummy cartridges v. real ones, etc.. ALL fed perfectly. I'll be at Ben Avery Saturday with a heavy bag of lots of different ammo to test.
Poor me--I must go shooting tomorrow!
Oh yes--received a new Bushnell Trophy Handgun 2-6X scope too, and mounted that.
Good luck, hope the new barrel solves that issue...
...at least about 99% of it. Shot a half-dozen different loads today. ALL of them fed successfully from the mags starting with an open bolt. Had only two failures to feed, one with the Federal Vital Shok Trophy Bonded; can't remember the other. I'm happy.
Of four 'careful' 50yd., 5-shot groups, the smallest was 3-1/4" with the average a bit over 4".
I measured velocities of three cartridges shot with both my Witness polymer 4.6"-barrel pistol and the 16-1/4"-barrel carbine.
Federal Vital Shok Trophy Bonded 180*--carbine 1664FPS-MV v. pistol 1290, increase 374FPS.
SIG-Sauer V-Crown 180--1454 v. 1212, increase 242FPS. NOTE--this data corrected.
PPU (Prvi) JHP180, 1171 v. 1097, increase 74FPS.
The new Bushnell Trophy 2-6X 32mm Handgun scope worked mostly very well with excellent optics (especially after I focused it), but its 20" of eye relief is too much--I can't get far enough away from it even with the scope mounted as far forward as possible. I have a Vortex Optics 2-7X 32mm Scout Rifle Scope with 10" of eye relief coming.
2016Aug28 note--I'm increasingly convinced that this ASc is a 50-yard (and not a 100-yard) shoulderarm, which is fine with me--it's still quite enjoyable to shoot.
* This load hurt my right hand a bit with the pistol; it's really stout. Those wanting maximum velocity with a very tough 180g. bullet (and having lots of money for ammo) should LOVE this one.
Quote from: 10-7 leo on August 31 2016 07:26:52 PM MDT
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Quotejeffreybehr: "2016Aug28 note--I'm increasingly convinced that this ASc is a 50-yard (and not a 100-yard) shoulderarm, ...
I was afraid of this, as this is what I have experienced so far.
And this causes me to wonder if it's any more (or less) accurate in 45Auto. But probably I'll notify TNW that the new barrel still doesn't feed cartridges with an open bolt, and I expect to return the carbine to them for fixing.
Quote from: 10-7 leo on August 31 2016 07:26:52 PM MDT
I have a feeling that screwing the buffer tube in farther will only result in the spring being fully compacted before all the recoil energy is absorbed and will cause excess pressure on the end of the buffer tube. Any ideas on the negative results this may/ will have on the buffer tube?
None.
That buffer tube is from AR-15/AR-10 stock. In those guns the buffer definitely hits the end, and it handles cartridges like 308 Winchester, and even the short magnums just fine. I abuse one with 358 Winchester.
10mm is a love tap comparitively.