http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/steinberg-would-be-terrorists-can-buy-guns-but-a-reporter-no/
This article is a great one to sends to you pro-gun control friends. Ask them to read it carefully.
Then point out to them the following errors.
40% of guns sales omit a background check. Can I get a source on that cause I am calling BS. I live in Utah, where until just a few years ago there was a huge gun classifieds section in the paper and even here that isn't close to true.
"[He owns 100 guns because he] is afraid". Really. No. If you are afraid you buy one gun and learn to use it. If you have 100, you just like guns.
And the real winner "The real reason...is guns stores make their money in the dark".
Sorry, Mr. Steinberger, the real reason is the law. Specifically the Domestic Violence Offender Gun Ban amendment to the Omnibus Consolidated Appropriations Act of 1997. Apparently you were charged with beating your wife. And the good upstanding gun owners of the united states, specifically those that own and run Maxon Arms, decided they felt it was more important to protect society from you than to make a buck.
Here is what I find most interesting about Mr. Steinberg's closing statement. We tend to interpret others action within the context of our own motivations. What does that reality say about Mr. Steinberg? Seems like it says he is fine with breaking the law if you make a little dough in the process.
How very Chicago of him.
What is a conservative in America today?
I am pro Family Values, pro Police/Military and pro Fiscal Discipline. I used to sit in my office listening to "conservative talk radio" for years between calls. What was accomplished? The Conservatives are now backing a guy for president. Who is 100% pro Gay, dodged the draft and went bankrupt 4 times.
Is that conservatism?
Its BS, and today conservatism is code for being a racist and or being rich.
Everyone needs to follow the Constitution.
A political conservative is in favor of the least possible change and is reticent to try a new approach to an issue. A liberal desires frequent and often radical change.
I am in favor of a government which respects that it derives its powers from the consent of the governed with strong protections for minority rights. Our constitution was a mid 18th century attempt to to document this philosophy in a foundation document of a governmental experiment.
Due to the nature of the founding document departing liberally from the status quo governments of the day, our country is fundamentally liberal. We embarked on a radical new form of government.
Today, I find myself somewhat conservative. I feel the founding documents did a pretty good job of codifying the philosophy. But I also find that our government has deviated pretty far from the document. Today over breakfast this came up with a co-worker. I expounded to him my belief that the government gets it power from the people, a group of persons. The people is the collecting power of a person. Therefore if a person is not endowed with the right to own a gun of a specific type, then by inheritance the people aren't nor is the government. Similarly, if I cannot of myself rightly prohibit my neighbor from an item, then I cannot delegate to the society that power.
Quote from: sqlbullet on June 22 2016 11:51:36 PM MDT
I expounded to him my belief that the government gets it power from the people, a group of persons. The people is the collecting power of a person. Therefore if a person is not endowed with the right to own a gun of a specific type, then by inheritance the people aren't nor is the government.
Not in the legal definition.
Grab a blacks law dictionary and look up "natural person" which is you as an animal. Its the thing God created. It is alive and in possession of all the rights the creator gave to him/her.
Now look up the term "legal person". It was created by man. It is an artificial thing created by Government to strip the rights God gave and substitute privileges which may be taken back. Its a dead thing. A corporation. A piece of paper. A fiction. When you hear the word "person" it is the "legal person" that they are referring to.
The creator of something owns or controls that which he/she made. God created and controls the man, the natural person.
Government created the person, and rules over that created fiction.
The difference between the "natural person" aka "man" vs. "legal person" aka "person" is at the root of if you are dealing in "common law" or suffering the effects of the statutes/codes of what in reality is "Roman Civil Law". One form of law gives power to the people, the other gives power to the governments.
Nasty word games they play against you.
Greg
Yeah...I am not ignorant of those definitions. Which is why I said to him, and always say "person". If the individual on the other end of the dialog wants to we can then start to have this debate, after which I can show them how they are become a reasonable man and not a natural person.
And I prefer to keep God out of it. He is notably either quiet on these issues, or tells different people different things.
Don't believe what people say about God. Read the book. (Bible) not s twisted version. There are many balanced ones translated from early manuscripts.
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Quote from: Wolfie on June 22 2016 09:26:17 AM MDT
What is a conservative in America today?
I am pro Family Values, pro Police/Military and pro Fiscal Discipline. I used to sit in my office listening to "conservative talk radio" for years between calls. What was accomplished? The Conservatives are now backing a guy for president. Who is 100% pro Gay, dodged the draft and went bankrupt 4 times.
Is that conservatism?
Its BS, and today conservatism is code for being a racist and or being rich.
So what is the alternative? Clinton?
Clinton balanced the budget and lost ZERO troopers in combat missions he initiated.
I feel bad that I never voted for him, that was a period of my life that I believed the GOP was pro family values, balanced budgets and strong foreign policy.
Now Trump is more pro gay than Hillary, just said he will let Muslims in and his economic plan adds 20 trillion to the debt.
So is Hillary better, absolutely.
btw: He just hit Obama for deporting too many illegals, carry on.
I disagree.
Quote from: Wolfie on June 25 2016 04:20:32 PM MDT
So is Hillary better, absolutely.
One question... or two actually...
Better for SCOTUS?
Better for gun rights??
Sorry, I'm a one-issue voter this time around and SCOTUS is 1st and foremost. Trump's already thrown his candidates out there. I cringe at the thought of the other's choices.
What we are fighting.....?
* Powers that divide us. Rich against poor, young vs old, pro-this vs anti that...
* Government servants that refuse that governments were created to benefit man.
* Federal banks that are really private for-profit institutions creating money beyond the control of government.
* Controlled media that is no longer the watch dog needed for a free society.(thank goodness for the internet/bloggers, but they seek control of that too.)
* Public education that trains students to be asleep at the controls. How many senators/congress members? What is a Republic? What is the Bill of Rights? What is the Constitution and what was it made for? Forget about mathematics. Forget about trade skills. Global warming is all that's important because that's what brings in more education dollars so we can increase administrative wages in the district. Believe what your told and don't question authority.
Americans are asleep. That is the biggest thing. Until that changes, nothing else slows the destruction and the deterioration of the American ideal.
Greg
I'm not of either party, nor will I ever be. I'm closest to Libertarian.
Trump last week said he was for gun control.
Yesterday he complained that Obama was deporting too many illegals.
Go ahead and bet on Trump, I am sure the rich like that.
I'm sitting here, watching the news.
What do I see?
Hillary marching in a gay parade.
Wait!
Can't be!
Wolfie said that Trump likes gays more!
Our Hillary in a gay parade?
Tell me it ain't so!
Hmmmm, I didn't see Trump there.
He must have been at a local KKK meeting, huh?
Wolfie, you twist your facts more than the media does.
Give it a rest.
You aren't wowing anybody with your insight and savvy.
Be careful what you ask for, you just may get it.
If your candidate gets elected, forums like this will become forums talking about how nice the good old days (today) were.
I'm surprised you even belong to a gun forum.
You seem intent on converting others (us) to see things your way. Good luck.
Go to a Feinstein or Bloomburg site if you want like-minded people to chat with.
I do not believe anything I see or read in the news. First hand experience here. They will say what ever they want. They do not have to have facts or even be telling the truth. Twisting words and taking one sentence out of txt and running with it.
Donald Trump boasted Tuesday that he would be a better president than Hillary Clinton for the LGBT community.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/283498-trump-says-he-shamed-clinton-into-saying-radical-islam
So?
That's called campaigning.
Last I saw, gays vote too.
Trump says he'd be better.
Clinton participates in a gay parade.
Twist it any way you want.
They both want their vote.
So?
I want a president with core principles, this lack of them is why the GOP is doomed this year.
This is the year that religion and conservatism died in national politics.
Courtesy of the GOP.
You said you would like to of voted for Clinton when he was president. What was his core principles. Good family man? God fearing? Not at all rich looking to get richer.
I voted for Perot in 1992 (Bush in 1988 and lost my vote with the S&L scandal) and Dole in 1996.
Today Family Values is no longer a electoral issue for me. Clinton balanced the budget and lost no US Troops in actions he initiated.
The best part is EVERYONE made cash under him.
Bill Clinton and Barack Obama would EASILY be re elected today if they were allowed to run again.
I just need to stay out of politics on the forums. Nobody ever wins a argument or ever agrees. Must say I am more than a little surprised to find someone with your views on a gun board though. The people you support hate everything the people here are about and look to kill it.
Quote from: yfdcap on June 27 2016 01:24:04 PM MDT
I just need to stay out of politics on the forums. Nobody ever wins a argument or ever agrees.
This is wisdom.
Quote from: yfdcap on June 27 2016 01:24:04 PM MDT
Must say I am more than a little surprised to find someone with your views on a gun board though. The people you support hate everything the people here are about and look to kill it.
This gets tough.
See, if you follow the data, countries that have low violent crime rates compared to ours (not gun crime, violent crime) also have a better GINI coefficient than we do. In fact, violent crime and GINI coefficient pretty much go hand in hand.
Also hand in hand are GINI coefficient and social/labor programs that ensure the populace a minimum standard of living.
But, such programs fly in the face of many core convictions we gun owners favor, like "don't tread on me"
At the same time, we (as a demographic group) are plenty willing to tread on others when it comes to marriage (same gender) and healthcare (womens).
The "democrat left" is not less epileptic. The enshrine certain civil liberties (life, speech, assembly, privacy, representation) and trample the underlying ones that perhaps matter more (arms, property).
My political journey from staunch republican passed through a bunch of cognitive dissonance before I arrived where I am today.
For me it is more simple. Lesser of evils. There is never a good choice as far as I am concerned. They are all bad. I do see what happens to me personally and my family. The last 8 years have been the worst by far. I know the left blames that on Bush. What Obama did with health care will forever make our country go down hill. I have seen it first hand. I have several doctors who are also good friends. They are retiring early. One moved here from Canada to get away from what we are now moving to. It will get very bad for us. Did the people want this? Did we vote for it?
This election for me is even simpler. Trump is less likely to support gun control than Hillary. I try not to be a single issue voter, but this year, president, I am.
More spewing from wolfie:
QuoteThis is the year that religion and conservatism died in national politics.
Courtesy of the GOP.
So, was that before or after Clinton was getting his knob polished in the Oval Office while Hillary watched from the closet?
Oh, wait, the Ds are perfect.... just ask wolfie!
It was the Rs that bribed Monica to kneel to the prez.
See? Comedy hour via wolfie.
Funny stuff!
Keep it up.
I should open a political comedy page on Facebook and post all of wolfie's posts.
Good stuff, got any more?
You sound so knowledgeable and insightful.
It seems like you have a direct line to the White House!
Your posts just prove the old saying; Garbage in, garbage out.
Larry. The Democrats run on being the family values party or the stop gay marriage party?
Conservatism is dead, they let the GOP get away with running on stopping it and now doing nothing to overturn it.
Let me be very clear, there is no one here that is more conservative than I am. Anyone wishing to go toe to toe please list a issue and let's have at it.
Quote from: sqlbullet on June 27 2016 04:28:48 PM MDT
This election for me is even simpler. Trump is less likely to support gun control than Hillary. I try not to be a single issue voter, but this year, president, I am.
Yup. With you. I also pray he will repeal Obamacare.
Trumps plan for Obamacare?
Tax cuts for the rich. What that means is that if you make a lot of cash you will get free health care.
Quote from: Wolfie on June 27 2016 05:04:18 PM MDT
Trumps plan for Obamacare?
Tax cuts for the rich. What that means is that if you make a lot of cash you will get free health care.
Hillary's plan? Do you really think she is not for the rich? Look at her family history and how they got stupid rich.
Keep in mind what I said above. I know they are all liars. I just vote for who will do the least amount of damage to what I have left. You seem to actually believe what you are seeing on TV.
I would like to talk about health care as I pay for it. Under Bush my family plan went from 10K to 20K and is now a little over 22K with much better benefits. As a person who is PRO LIFE, one of my children has a disability and we decided to keep the child. So what I did was sock away some cash just in case. Obamacare made that unnecessary and freed up some cash for me.
What did I do with the extra money? I bought a AMERICAN sports car and motorcycle and a bunch of 10mm handguns.
Thanks President Obama and the Democratic Party.
Just the opposite. My insurance went up over 40 percent and I lost benefits. My daughter has been very sick and was hospitalized because her insurance refused to pay for the meds she has been using successfully for years due to new insurance who's policy is to reject everything. You really are the only person I know who is better off now. Hold onto that feeling. It will be gone soon for you too. I will leave with one final thought. You will never change our minds and we will never change yours. Want to talk about 10mm's? ;D
Insurance is relative to what you want. Now there is a minimum standard that has 2 important features.
1. Before when you hit that $1 million mark they pulled the plug.
2. You cannot go bankrupt over it.
I also pay more in car insurance as I want more and have a umbrella policy that I recommend for everyone. If you get hurt and the other guy has no insurance you will be covered.
Liberal or conservative?
Left or right?
Red or Blue?
There are no cut and dried any more.
Everything is blended.
If you are pro-gay and pro-life you are what?
If you are pro-choice and pro-gun, what are you?
Labeling is unfair and totally wrong in what people really are.
Today, most people are a mix of everything. Left, right, up, down, whatever.
The labels mean nothing. They are no longer accurate. Americans are too diverse to categorize them any more.
Until this year's primary, I never chose a party.
I wanted to vote for whomever sat best with my own views and wants.
Dem or Rep didn't matter to me because neither party delivers what they promise.
They all promise blue skies, rainbows, lower taxes and more benefits.
If you look at it logically, you can't spend more and pay less taxes.
Every politician tells us what we want to hear and then, when elected, do what their contributors want.
They don't represent us any more, they represent the few who helped them get elected.
Like others have said, I vote for who I believe will do the least amount of damage to the people.
This year I registered as a Rep for the first time ever.
I watched Obama divide this country in so many ways that it will take generations to heal.
If he had his way, he would have anointed himself king and done away with our party system.
His ego is bigger than any president that I can remember since Nixon and he's as big of a sore loser like none other.
Hillary is cut from the same cloth.
I decided to register as a Rep for the first time in my life to try to stop Hillary from becoming president.
She would make Obama look like a jester compared to her rule.
She would be the worst thing to happen to this country since WWII.
She is out of control.
Trump is out of control too but he got successful in life by putting the right people in the right places to get the
job done. If he got elected he would do the same thing since he is not a politician. Him not being a politician is what
makes him a better choice between the two evils. Hillary is so much a politician that she slithers thru the halls of the
White House without being seen. She is sneaky, she thinks she is above the law and she has no conscience. She is
the wrong person to be our president.
I've never been a single issue voter, either. However, her fervent anti-gun stance and promise to get rid of them has made
me dig my heels in and refuse to give her a single inch in anything she wants, no matter what it is. She is on a mission to
be queen supreme and she probably has the mindset to overturn the two term presidency via the SC with her appointed
judges who would owe her their seats. She is dangerous and she is sneaky and she would destroy the country we see today.
Every one here should do their part to see that she never sees the inside of the White House again.