Hi
I'm new to the 10mm crowd. Picking up a Dan Wesson RZ10 this weekend.
Any suggestions on ammo would be cool. I've heard Underwood is good. Been doing a little reaserch online. Thanks in advance.
Hello 1911 guy, and welcome to the forum! Yes Underwood is great ammo but understand that it has a higher impulse than most factory stuff. This can increase the slide velocity on some semi-auto firearms and in some this can induce a FTF or FTE type malfunction.
So try some of the various factory ammo to see how your DW works and get a feel for it, before you explore the Underwood ammo. It has been stated that Underwood may have downloaded some of his 10mm ammo recently, and we have seen that he has switched powders over the years.
Good luck and enjoy you new passion...be warned it is very addictive! No one can have just one! :o
I like the Armscor FMJ ammo. It is cheap, consistent and feeds great. I bought a case of 1000 and it feeds my 10mm Eaa witness Poly perfectly. I had a few FTF in my Kimber TLE II until I replaced a stretched barrel link with a Wilson combat and it feeds great now.
I think I paid $395 for the case on ammoman.com and I'm about halfway through it. I don't know how much loading your own would cost, but it has to be in the same ball park.
The Armscor feels hot enough for defense rounds, but I prefer Underwood ammo for that. They are too expensive for range practice, but when practice is done, I load my mags with the Underwood JHP, shoot a few rounds just to remind me why I went 10mm in the first place. Smokin' hot and groups tight. The nickel plated brass they use feels very slippery against each other, unlike plain brass. It really feels good to shoot it.
I hope you like your DW, I would love to shoot one someday. The 10mm cartridge is ideal in a 1911 platform.
Welcome from No Utah
One word.... "Reload" 8)
OK, so what would does it cost to reload using bullets and brass similar to what the FMJ Armscor ammo is?
I have thought about getting into reloading but when I start adding up components, it seems like its really close to their price (0.395 cents per round)on the first reload.
I can't pick up my brass at my local indoor range because of their regulatory compliance policy, so I am limited to new brass only.
Quote from: Bohica on June 25 2016 05:59:57 AM MDT
OK, so what would does it cost to reload using bullets and brass similar to what the FMJ Armscor ammo is?
I have thought about getting into reloading but when I start adding up components, it seems like its really close to their price (0.395 cents per round)on the first reload.
I can't pick up my brass at my local indoor range because of their regulatory compliance policy, so I am limited to new brass only.
You can't pick up what falls on your side of the line????
There are hand held (straps on your hand/wrist) nets to catch brass as you shoot. To be able to save your brass, this wouldn't be too much of an inconvenience to me.
hers some: http://ads.midwayusa.com/brass-catchers-deflectors-and-pouches/br?cid=19758&cm_mmc=ps_google-_-google-_-ST_Range_Supplies_Equipment_Beta_G-_-brass+catcher&gclid=CL-Zxu_nw80CFcYlgQodAFcCVA
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/112864/catch-all-brass-catcher-pistol
http://www.personalarmament.com/2010/05/graco-models-pistol-brass-catcher-review.html
Hope this helps. Tracy
Limit the nuclear loads and watch the slide stop notch for peening.
I can't pick up anything that hits the floor at my local indoor range. I have thought about catching the brass with one of those nets. Great idea.
But just pricing out new bullets and brass and primers and powder it seems to add up to very close to what I'm paying Armscor to do it for me.
Underwood is a different story, I think I can reload for less than that, but their ammo is so well made.
Thanks to TSP45ACP for the links.
Wolfie I will keep a eye out for excess pressure on the slide stop notch, but my Kimber TLE feels like it has a 20-22 lbs spring and the slide isnt moving very fast at the end of its travel.
On my witness, it feels completely different. The Gunsmith from EAA said they use a 15 lbs recoil spring on the polymer frame! It racks fully back and barely rides the next round home, rarely I have to nudge the slide forward to chamber a hollowpoint, but the CZ clones are such natural pointers (for me).
I wish I could have the awesome SA trigger pull of a good 1911 like my Kimber on a natural pointing frame like the CZ clones and maintain DA capability as well. That's the engineering challenge of our generation.
By the way, I put a Wilson Combat compensator on my Kimber and it feels like a 9mm muzzle rise now. Especially with the hotter loads, for 60 bucks, it has tamed the beast.
I can easily double tap a 21 ft target now. What a huge difference!!
I highly recommend anyone with a 1911 shooting 10mm to invest in a slide bushing compensator, it makes a huge reduction in muzzle rise. You still have a real good recoil, but you can get back on target much much sooner.
Enjoy.
Quote from: Bohica on June 27 2016 11:24:28 PM MDT
But just pricing out new bullets and brass and primers and powder it seems to add up to very close to what I'm paying Armscor to do it for me.
This is very true. Unless you are recovering brass, you won't beat the volume, budget ammo companies by much, if at all.
But, you do get other benefits. Full control over the load for one. Velocity, which bullet, ability to fine tune for purpose. If you are just plinking or running drills, it doesn't matter much. But if you get into some specific purposes, it can.
Sucks that you can't recover your brass.
Sounds like a made up $$$ policy.
Their is a ton of polishing and parts that can be done to easily surpass a 1911 trigger.
I could be a $$$ driven policy on the spent brass.
I have been following EAA gunsmithing on youtube and learned a bunch of tricks, and I've been polishing lots of wear spots and contact surfaces.
I bought a Power Custom Series II stoning fixture with the CZ attachment, and modified it a little to work like a series I and a series II. It works great!
http://www.powercustom.com/parts_s2fixture.htm
I personally like to file off the tip of the hammer above the firing pin wear marks along a plane parallel to the slide when fully cocked, but leave enough to fully cock the hammer. Polish it to 2500 grit.
It makes the slide action so much smoother, and doesn't affect function.
But even though I can make a hair trigger on my witness DA/SA, there is still so much take-up in SA mode.
I think my next gun will be a witness elite.
If I could adjust out most of the take-up, it bet would be an amazing firearm.
Which EAA piece do you have?
My Hunter with the Limited guts has zero take-up on the trigger. You tap it and it goes bang! Did you adjust it?
All of my EAA guns are DA/SA without take-up adjustment.
I have a 9mm poly full size, 10mm poly, and an old BTA-90 that introduced me into the awesome line of CZ clones from Tanfoglio.
My wife has a Pavona 9mm, and she won a SAR K2P 9mm at the NRA convention this year.
We LOVE the EAA line of firearms. I got a chance to hold a limited and a hunter at the EAA booth, but I couldn't decide which one I liked best.
I polished a lot of the roughness out of them, and I work the triggers according to their intended use, like target or carry.
I didn't know I could use the guts of a limited in a 6" gun like the hunter, that sounds like the way to go.
Pictures of my Hunter conversion on here. I did the hammer and safety.