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Still a ton of unanswered questions, but Obama and the MSM are already putting their spin on this, and I can't wait to see what Hillary does with it.
Horrible terrorist attack.
I thought Trump was going to come out and say the shooter's family should be killed. I guess he backed off of that position.
As for Hillary she will repeat what Obama said and move on.
So of Obama's ISIS wannabe's acting out! That way he can further the gun agenda! >:(
I don't see this as a gun issue, the perp was licensed above and beyond.
It's not a gun issue, but Hillary and Obama will make it one.
Neither one of them, especially that coward Obama, has the guts to call it what it is;
AN ISLAMIC TERRORIST ATTACK!
We have illegal immigrants committing crimes against our citizens with impunity, our border security is a joke, and we're allowing unvetted muslim immigrants into this country in record numbers. Is it any wonder that we're getting our asses handed to us on occasion.
If the guns were illegally obtained Hillary would have made it a issue. But the perp had proper documentation.
The perp was also born here in 1986 from Afghanistan parents.
I agree, it was a conservative Islamic religious attack, by a man who hated gays and loved the 2nd amendment.
Also our borders are more secure now than before Obama.
Quote from: Wolfie on June 12 2016 07:09:51 PM MDT
If the guns were illegally obtained Hillary would have made it a issue. But the perp had proper documentation.
The perp was also born here in 1986 from Afghanistan parents.
I agree, it was a conservative Islamic religious attack, by a man who hated gays and loved the 2nd amendment.
Also our borders are more secure now than before Obama.
WTH??? Hillary Clinton doesn't give a fat rats ass if a gun is legally obtained or not. The woman won't even acknowledge that the 2nd Amendment is an individual right that is protected by the constitution. No one of any reasonable intelligence, which automatically excludes liberals, could ever believe that she won't milk this tragedy to it's fullest in order to promote her liberal agenda.
Whether or not the man was born in this country is of no consequence. He was radicalized, and carried out his 'mission', all in the name of Allah. By your definition, all terrorists who use guns are 2A supporters. Letting more of his radical buddies into this country only increases the odds of this sort of thing happening even more.
Also, our borders have never been more open to the influx of illegal immigrants, and the possibility of terrorists making it into this country, than they are today, just ask any border patrol officer.
This was an act of terrorism by a radicalized Muslim, and it occurred in a gun free zone, no less. It will be exploited and manipulated by the liberal left, especially BHO and HRC, and their legions of libtard kool-aid drinkers will believe every word they say.
Radical Conservative Islam is the problem, in particular Saudis who are funding radical Mosques and Imams throughout the world.
But make no mistake it's a religious CONSERVATIVE movement.
I see no liberals killing or hating on gays.
btw: You see what the Lt. Governor of Texas said?
Quote from: Wolfie on June 12 2016 07:09:51 PM MDT
I agree, it was a conservative Islamic religious attack, by a man who hated gays and loved the 2nd amendment.
Also our borders are more secure now than before Obama.
Yup just another opinion piece by you-know-who, and nothing else. Notice how the word "conservative" was slipped-in... and then a supportive statement about border security being more secure under Obama. Pure rubbish.
Yes RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISTS are CONSERVATIVE.
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2013/jul/01/debbie-wasserman-schultz/more-border-security-and-patrols-under-obama-previ/
"President Obama has the most border patrols and border security deployed at the border of any previous president," said Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla. in a June 20 interview on MSNBC. Obama "has cracked down employers -- on employers who are attracting undocumented immigrants and hiring them more than any previous president."
PolitiFact has previously examined some similar claims about border patrol during Obama's presidency. But here we wanted to fact-check Wasserman Schultz's specific claims that Obama holds a record for border patrol and security.
She was right.
"When I took office, I committed to fixing this broken immigration system. And I began by doing what I could to secure our borders. Today, we have more agents and technology deployed to secure our southern border than at any time in our history. And over the past six years, illegal border crossings have been cut by more than half."
— President Obama, November 20, 2014
Nothing but empty space between his ears. Now on Ignore List.
Yep facts dont matter to some people.
Here is the reality, more Europeans of white pedigree are overstaying their Visas in the USA. They work in all the restaurants and bars up and down both coasts of America.
Yet no one cares about that.....
Quote from: Wolfie on June 12 2016 08:23:15 PM MDT
Yes RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISTS are CONSERVATIVE.
No, they're not. That's just as bad as saying that this nut is a 2A supporter. RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISTS are extremists in every sense of the word. They don't care if they use a bomb, a gun, a knife, or a can of gasoline, so long as it enables them to kill anyone who doesn't agree with their fanatical religion/cult, and to do it in the most horrific way possible.
Your comparison looks like a desperate attempt to take yet another jab at conservatives.
They are 100% conservative. They hate gays, women and minority have no rights.
Its exactly what the Christian right wants here.
The perp was 100% a 2nd amendment guy and police buff to boot.
Wolfie, by your logic, or lack thereof, Christians and radical Muslims should get along splendidly, because according to you, they both have the exact same belief system/mindset. I seem to remember, however, that radical Muslims are killing Christians on sight, by the thousands. Could it be because radical Muslims are EXTREMISTS, not conservatives, and their faith calls for the immediate death of anyone who doesn't follow their fanatical views.
I started this thread to express my outrage over the killing of 50+ innocent people by a fanatical zealot, and to illustrate the fact that like it or not, we're at war with an unknown number of murderous psychopaths, some of whom were born here and became indoctrinated, and others who came here from another country already radicalized. I started it to vent about how now, more than ever, our ability to defend ourselves faces its' greatest threat under the current political regime, and its' possible successor. I didn't start it to get into a pissing contest about how, in your eyes, conservatives are the root of all evil.
It's getting old.
The Christian Evangelical, Jewish Likud-Orthodox and Muslim Radicals all use God's name in vain to obtain power for personal gain. They all believe the man has the power and that women and minorities are subservants. And they all cannot stand gays.
Those are far right extreme positions. You talk about politics and OK, whats the Republican plan? More war, maybe this time to be lead by a draft dodger? Whats the plan? Obama asked for authorization of force 18 months ago and Congress has done squat.
We defeated Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan in 4 years. The GOP in 7 years could not close out a bunch of camel jockeys or even find bin Laden. So please don't even try to say the GOP is better at fighting terrorism than the Democrats are.
And no Conservatives are not the root of all evil, I am pro gun, pro life and family values.
You are conflating politics with religion. There is no "far right" in religion. That is a political term only. Your attempt to link the two exposes what you are really trying to accomplish.
Perhaps you can say that all three groups are strictly textual in their religious beliefs. If that is the case, though, query the text to discern why it seems that our modern religious murderers read from one religious text as opposed to the other two.
From the news reports that I've read today, your pal Hillary is already stoking for a gun grab. Is that why you've switched from taking your usual position about gun-grabbing Republicans and are now talking about weak on terror Republicans? Just curious.
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Hillary is no pal of mine friend. I cannot stand her either. In fact I may vote Libertarian.
But there is no way the GOP Foreign Policy Plan is better than the Democrats.
The talk is coming about fast about more gun control. I can see them making a case for single shot rifles and shotguns only. When they say "keeping these weapons out of hands of people with these intents", that's how I suspect they will try to do it.
Quote from: Intercooler on June 13 2016 04:03:48 AM MDT
The talk is coming about fast about more gun control. I can see them making a case for single shot rifles and shotguns only. When they say "keeping these weapons out of hands of people with these intents", that's how I suspect they will try to do it.
The gun grabbers will never be happy until they get all guns out of the hands of civilians. Don't believe me? A few years ago, SAFE Colorado (Sane Alternatives to the Firearms Epidemic) co-president John Head was asked a question. He was asked if he somehow accomplished all of his 'goals' for firearms and their use(Assault Rifle Ban, Universal Background Check, Safe Storage of Firearms, 21 years old Minimum Firearms Purchasing Age, Magazine Size Limits, etc., ), would he then cease and desist with his pursuit of further gun restrictions. His answer? NEVER! It's always NEVER with these morons.One need only to look at California to see a perfect example of NEVER. That's why it makes no sense whatsoever to negotiate our rights away. We need to dig in and fight. GIVE THEM NOTHING, or we will surely lose EVERYTHING.
You can print a fully functional AR-15 at home.
We need to work on fixing people who would do these things. Keeping tools away from tool makers will never work.
Quote from: Mr. AR50 on June 12 2016 09:37:00 PM MDT
Wolfie, by your logic, or lack thereof, Christians and radical Muslims should get along splendidly, as they both have the exact
same belief system/mindset. I seem to remember, however, that radical Muslims are killing Christians on sight, by the thousands. Could it be because radical Muslims are EXTREMISTS, not conservatives, and their faith calls for the immediate death of anyone who doesn't follow their fanatical views.
Why should two groups of mentally ill people get along?
The Crips and Bloods attacks each other. The Hell's Angels and Mongols attack each other. Raider and 49er fans attack each other. What is so odd about Christians and Muslims attacking each other?
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Quote from: sqlbullet on June 13 2016 09:03:36 AM MDT
We need to work on fixing people who would do these things. Keeping tools away from tool makers will never work.
I think we need to fix our own people first: The arson is more of a problem than the fire, although the fire does need to be put out. Secondly we need to stop trying to save the world.
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Quote from: Wolfie on June 12 2016 07:09:51 PM MDT
I agree, it was a conservative Islamic religious attack, by a man who hated gays and loved the 2nd amendment.
I heard that he voted for Obama twice. If so, he didn't love the 2nd Amendment. Or if he did, then he was as dumb as a post.
a registered Democrat who happened to be a Muslim who had been watched by the FBI who worked as a licensed security guard who swore allegiance to ISIS on a 911 call just before murdering a bunch of people at a gay night club commits this heinous act and who gets the blame? law abiding white conservative gun owners are to blame. and we need more anti gun laws. thats Liberal logic for ya! :o
Quote from: blaster on June 13 2016 04:21:06 PM MDT
a registered Democrat who happened to be a Muslim who had been watched by the FBI who worked as a licensed security guard who swore allegiance to ISIS on a 911 call just before murdering a bunch of people at a gay night club commits this heinous act and who gets the blame? law abiding white conservative gun owners are to blame. and we need more anti gun laws. thats Liberal logic for ya! :o
Liberal logic is an oxymoron. It's like saying 'Jumbo Shrimp', or 'Honest Politician'. There is no such thing! :-\
Quote from: Wolfie on June 12 2016 08:26:00 PM MDT
"President Obama has the most border patrols and border security deployed at the border of any previous president," said Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla. in a June 20 interview on MSNBC. Obama "has cracked down employers -- on employers who are attracting undocumented immigrants and hiring them more than any previous president."
Because he NEEDED to, not that he wanted to!
Quote from: sqlbullet on June 13 2016 09:03:36 AM MDT
You can print a fully functional AR-15 at home.
We need to work on fixing people who would do these things. Keeping tools away from tool makers will never work.
Sqlbullet, I agree with you, but we have to accept the fact that there is evil in this world, and some things cannot be fixed. Help those who can be helped, but be prepared to put the mad dogs down as well.
Quote from: gandog56 on June 13 2016 04:39:46 PM MDT
Quote from: Wolfie on June 12 2016 08:26:00 PM MDT
"President Obama has the most border patrols and border security deployed at the border of any previous president," said Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla. in a June 20 interview on MSNBC. Obama "has cracked down employers -- on employers who are attracting undocumented immigrants and hiring them more than any previous president."
Because he NEEDED to, not that he wanted to!
An interview, on MSNBC, of Whatshername-Schultz speaks volumes. Fact: The border is NOT more secure now, than at any time. If there are fewer crossings at any time, DC has nothing to do with it. It's government math, and nothing more. The greatest border-crossing prevention in history is the Central Valley (CA) "drought" (which is caused by politics, not nature). There are less (illegal migrant worker) crossings, because there is less incentive. The drugs, on the other hand, are flowing as freely as ever (hint: drugs don't walk themselves across).
They count the border crossings the same way. Just like they count they count unemployment.
They have used the same standard for decades.
Perp was a religious far right conservative nut job.
It amazes me that some people think all Democrats are liberals when that is not the case and the same goes for fools who think all Republicans are conservative.
Conservative Republicans in my state passed strict gun laws, raise my taxes and spend worse than DC liberals.
Killer was a registered democrat and voted Obama 2 times
Quote from: Wolfie on June 13 2016 05:26:28 PM MDT
They count the border crossings the same way. Just like they count they count unemployment.
They have used the same standard for decades.
Perp was a religious far right conservative nut job.
It amazes me that some people think all Democrats are liberals when that is not the case and the same goes for fools who think all Republicans are conservative.
Conservative Republicans in my state passed strict gun laws, raise my taxes and spend worse than DC liberals.
You argue like a democrat Wolfie. Are you sure Hillary's not your pal?
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I am a Democrat, used to be GOP for a long time. It was either talk radio or baseball in my office between calls. I thought the GOP was better at Foreign Policy, Economics and Family Values.
It was all a lie to get elected to get power to make cash.
Now riddle me this, in the 3 things I mentioned do you think the GOP is better at any?
Two headed snake. Just look at Ryan and the rest. Also known as NEOCONS. Picking fight's with Russia. Get's ya know where. Both party's are evil.
Quote from: Wolfie on June 13 2016 09:08:21 PM MDT
I am a Democrat, used to be GOP for a long time. It was either talk radio or baseball in my office between calls. I thought the GOP was better at Foreign Policy, Economics and Family Values.
It was all a lie to get elected to get power to make cash.
Now riddle me this, in the 3 things I mentioned do you think the GOP is better at any?
Why limit it to these three, Batman? Wouldn't it be better to ask something of relevance to the forum? Which of the two is better on securing your second amendment rights?
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Which party is better?
Hmmmm, Republicans in my state of NY. Voted to approve the SAFE Act, a anti gun law.
When the GOP held all branches under Bush did they pass National Reciprocity?
Heck Obama, yes Obama fixed HR 218.
You can TRUST Republicans, I never will.
but you trust the Democrats? :o I agree the Republican party is just a bunch of power hungry losers that only care about keeping their own power but so are the Democrats only worse! this was known many years ago when George Wallace said "theres not a dime's worth of different between the two". the ONLY reason I favor the Republicans is they are not AS BAD at violating our 2nd Amendment Rights. where as taking away our guns is a MAJOR part of the Democrap agenda. if a politician doesn't trust me to own the firearm of my choice, I can't trust him to rule over me. >:( the ONLY reason for gun control is to control the people! it has NOTHING to do with stopping crime or violence! >:( Wolfie, your problem (the unSafe Act etc...) stems from the libertard voters in the Rotten Apple making the rules for the rest of the State. so of course the spineless NY Republicans are going to bend over for their wishes. go ahead and vote for the Hildabeast. but don't whine when you are no longer able to own firearms. or you get lumped into the same category as the "useful idiots" who gave the USA to the "New World Order". hate Trump all you want., many of us do, but he is the ONLY choice we have that is NOT beholding to the foreign interests that OWN the other candidates. but maybe you would prefer to live in an Amerika that is just like the rest of the 3rd world shitholes that all the "refugees" are "escaping" from. as the Democtat icons Lennin and Alinsky have outlined, it is easier to control poor people. and they MUST be disarmed.
Yes the was a very tragic event, the Islamic/Muslim movement is persistent in the use of carnage to further their wedge of changing the laws here, it the effort to push Sharia Law, which conflicts with so many of our established laws and way of life in the U.S.. The facts are coming out that this guy had been going to this location many times prior to the mass shootings, I see this as premeditated. We are likely going to see more of these terror killings in the near future, because there are many of them inside our borders already!
The thread is going political and everyone's armchair quarterbacking this incident. The current overbearing obsessive big greedy government gone wild for power and control over the people is out of control on all sides. It will be up to "We The People" to Vote out those that don't work for the people as a nation. Too many of the corrupt politicians have feathered their nest with corporate money, stocks and other end around gains. They are suppose to work for the people we are their bosses.
Quote from: hikfromstik on June 13 2016 05:42:34 PM MDT
Killer was a registered democrat and voted Obama 2 times
The Killer was supposedly a homosexual and frequented that gay bar. That makes him a Republican also.
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The trolls have entered the building
The leader of the GOP. Just tweeted he is going to be better for the LGBT community than Democrats.
Republicans have become the pro gay party.
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Lets see,
The nightclub had every door to the place locked??? Seriously??? Fire Marshals around here would be collecting fine money all over the place. Good thing he didn't bring a gallon of gasoline cause it would have killed everyone.
That and it took three hours for police to end this.
Lessons to be learned:
--Evil people do exist, and little can be done to keep them from doing evil things.
--Police cannot keep you safe.
--Government cannot keep you safe.
--Business will risk your life for a few extra bucks in profits.
--Media take the government story line, hook, line, and sinker. That usually isn't the real story.
--Politicians instantly push their divide and conquer techniques to turn out their base in order to keep jobs they don't deserve.
Greg
True. For as far as it goes. Your only beef for the passage of the SAFE Act is with the Republican members of the senate committee.
Once the bill was authorized for a vote in the full chambers it would have taken 110% of the Republicans to vote against it in the New York Senate, and 357% of the Republicans in the Assembly to vote against it. Overwhelming odds, to be sure.
The bill was authored by the Democrats, passed overwhelmingly by the Democrats (100% in the Senate and 94% in the Assembly) and signed by the Democrat Governor. From this you take that the Republicans are not supportive of your gun rights.
I don't believe you.
You're a shill for Hill'. Nothing less. A sock puppet, if you will.
And what, pray tell is so great about your master's addition to HR218?
Quote from: Wolfie on June 14 2016 12:00:55 AM MDT
Which party is better?
Hmmmm, Republicans in my state of NY. Voted to approve the SAFE Act, a anti gun law.
When the GOP held all branches under Bush did they pass National Reciprocity?
Heck Obama, yes Obama fixed HR 218.
You can TRUST Republicans, I never will.