I have the brass, primers, and powder rounded up for the 10mm. So what bullets are everyone shooting?
I will be shooting the G20.4. I am looking at Rainier 180 plated hp for plinking, and 180 XTP for hunting duty.
What are you guys running? Plinking or Hunting/Carry?
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plinking: 175 grain Lee SWC TL
mountain carry: 200 grain WFN hardcast
City carry: 200 grain Nosler JHP.
Quote from: sqlbullet on May 09 2016 01:47:19 PM MDT
plinking: 175 grain Lee SWC TL
mountain carry: 200 grain WFN hardcast
City carry: 200 grain Nosler JHP.
Are you casting your own? If not who are you using for the 200 WFN?
Roll my own. Originally I cast them from a Mountain Mold two banger that drops them 205 grains:
(http://fellingfamily.net/images/MM_205_FRN.jpg)
I am still using those up. I powder coated the last I have cast the other night. About 200 of them. Going forward I will cast from a NOE 401-200:
(http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/images/403200Gr.WFN%20001.JPG)
The above is NOE's picture. I have a five cavity mold from them, which is set up with interchangeable pins for either WFN of 180 gr HP bullets. Once I run out of Nosler's, I may switch to the NOE HP's.
Quote from: sqlbullet on May 10 2016 07:53:10 AM MDT
Roll my own. Originally I cast them from a Mountain Mold two banger that drops them 205 grains:
(http://fellingfamily.net/images/MM_205_FRN.jpg)
I am still using those up. I powder coated the last I have cast the other night. About 200 of them. Going forward I will cast from a NOE 401-200:
(http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/images/403200Gr.WFN%20001.JPG)
The above is NOE's picture. I have a five cavity mold from them, which is set up with interchangeable pins for either WFN of 180 gr HP bullets. Once I run out of Nosler's, I may switch to the NOE HP's.
That NOE mold looks like it would be perfect for my intended uses.
Range/game ammo:
For the past 3-4 years I've been loading 180 gr Powerbond bullets. They are a superior bullet to Rainier or Berrry's in my opinion. Full sized diameter (my Glock favors that), consistent weights, and thick copper. They load and shoot more like cmjs than plated bullets. They are not fussy like other plated bullets can be. I buy mine locally, but tjconevera.com has good prices.
I've also shot plenty of Precision Delta 180 FMJ. Good bullets, but can be a hair undersized, so my Glocks prefer the PowerBonds. The 200s are full diameter, however and shoot great.
Recently I've been dabbling with Hi-Tek coated cast bullets with good success, so I'm gathering gear to begin casting, so all that will change everything.
I also like 180 and 200 XTPs as a versatile and very accurate bullet.
SD:
In town Win 175 gr STHP factory
Wilderness is a 200 gr WFNGC hard cast from Beartooth. I am ordering a mold from LBT so I'll cast and coat my own going forward.
All good suggestions. I really shoot quite the variety. For my AR loaded hot and my 20L I bullets that can handle velocity. That said I still shoot 180 gr plated and they hold up ok. I will get some strange fliers and some copper chips in the gas tube. For accuracy and precision while plinking I choose Hornady HAP. A VERY repeatable bullet that holds up to screaming velocities. Watch for sales. Pick up 100 or two.
Quote from: Pablo on May 10 2016 10:24:21 AM MDT
All good suggestions. I really shoot quite the variety. For my AR loaded hot and my 20L I bullets that can handle velocity. That said I still shoot 280 gr plated and they hold up ok. I will get some strange fliers and some copper chips in the gas tube. For accuracy and precision while plinking I choose Hornady HAP. A VERY repeatable bullet that holds up to screaming velocities. Watch for sales. Pick up 100 or two.
I fully intend to buy some XTPs in 180. I may try the HAP as well.
Of course I meant 180 gr for the plated bullets. Phone phat phingered. Sorry about that.
I have used most of what's listed above. I really love the 200 gr wfn from NOE. I also use the 180 from Oregon Trail. Like the 200 in a sense they penetrate well. The 180 xtp nearly decapitated my elk. I love that we have so many choices.
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Quote from: erdyalx on May 10 2016 12:16:50 PM MDT
I have used most of what's listed above. I really love the 200 gr wfn from NOE. I also use the 180 from Oregon Trail. Like the 200 in a sense they penetrate well. The 180 xtp nearly decapitated my elk. I love that we have so many choices.
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If you killed an elk with the 180 XTP, it should work handily on our "monster" Alabama whitetails that are 150 pounds on the hoof!
Quote from: erdyalx on May 10 2016 12:16:50 PM MDT
I have used most of what's listed above. I really love the 200 gr wfn from NOE. I also use the 180 from Oregon Trail. Like the 200 in a sense they penetrate well. The 180 xtp nearly decapitated my elk. I love that we have so many choices.
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Finishing shot?
Nope just a good stalk, patience and prayer. I used it on many critters on the Oregon coast as well.
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Derrick, those are nice looking, what is the total length of the bullet? MEPLAT size?
Quote from: derrick.mobley1 on June 10 2016 01:39:34 AM MDT
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The only thing that could make that bullet better is if it has a gas check, but I don't think anyone makes a 40 caliber gas check.
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Paper hunting .. 180 Xtreme Heavy plated
Woods .. Usu now the 200gr XTP
Normal carry .. 175 gr Silver Tips
Quote from: my_old_glock on June 10 2016 09:16:03 AM MDT
The only thing that could make that bullet better is if it has a gas check, but I don't think anyone makes a 40 caliber gas check.
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There are a couple options. Plain-base GC's (DIY or boutique order), or annealed Hornady .41M or .416 GC's for GC-grooved bullets. Either of them work well.
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Beartooth does/did offer a .40/10mm GC WFN bullet.
Quote from: BrowningGuy88 on May 09 2016 01:46:02 PM MDT
What are you guys running? ... or Hunting/Carry?
Since California is going to non-lead projectiles for hunting, I am stuck with Barnes copper bullets. I don't think anyone else makes a non-lead hollow point. I don't think the Lehigh Xtreme Penetrator is legal. California law says I have to use either a hollow point or soft point. I can't think of any way to make a soft point without lead.
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Quote from: derrick.mobley1 on June 10 2016 01:39:34 AM MDT
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The only thing that could make that bullet better is if it has a gas check, but I don't think anyone makes a 40 caliber gas check.
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Check out the NOE site. They sell checks that are said to work for .401. I'm going to try some when I get my mold.
Quote from: my_old_glock on June 11 2016 12:35:50 PM MDT
Quote from: BrowningGuy88 on May 09 2016 01:46:02 PM MDT
What are you guys running? ... or Hunting/Carry?
Since California is going to non-lead projectiles for hunting, I am stuck with Barnes copper bullets. I don't think anyone else makes a non-lead hollow point. I don't think the Lehigh Xtreme Penetrator is legal. California law says I have to use either a hollow point or soft point. I can't think of any way to make a soft point without lead.
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I live/hunt in the California Condor zone, and have been dealing with the non-lead issue since 2008. It's only legal to shoot people with lead, here. The Barnes pistol HP's do their job, as does their rifle bullets. Hornady GMX and FTX bullets are better performers, in my experience. Winchester XP3 slugs are brutal, from a rifled 12ga. We've tried "soft point" copper bullets, and they work OK, but no better than HP's. Perhaps an aerodynamic advantage for long shots, but no better terminal performance that I've seen. Hornady GMX and FTX bullets offer the best of both. I haven't tried Barnes "tipped" bullets, but suspect they will be similar. For pistol bullets, if you want a "soft point", just fill the cavity with pure tin. It adds a little mass, but no real performance advantage. The annealing affect helps with uniform expansion and mass retention, though.
Anyone using the Xtreme 165/180gr HP? I haven't loaded for 10mm, yet but wanted to see if these bullets work well.
Quote from: munchie3409 on June 14 2016 08:34:40 AM MDT
Anyone using the Xtreme 165/180gr HP? I haven't loaded for 10mm, yet but wanted to see if these bullets work well.
I've sent a few thousand of them down range. Several calibers, including .40SW and 10mm. Good bullets. The HP's (Hollow Point and Heavy Plate) hold up to ridiculous velocities, when Berry's and Rainier shed plating. Their 200 and 230 gr. .45 bullets are a workhorse, for developing ludicrous .460R velocities.
I read that the HP Xtremes can go to 1500fps...of course it's no longer 10% off, but at least I know now that those bullets are GTG.
Quote from: DM1906 on June 14 2016 05:22:42 PM MDT
Quote from: munchie3409 on June 14 2016 08:34:40 AM MDT
Anyone using the Xtreme 165/180gr HP? I haven't loaded for 10mm, yet but wanted to see if these bullets work well.
I've sent a few thousand of them down range. Several calibers, including .40SW and 10mm. Good bullets. The HP's (Hollow Point and Heavy Plate) hold up to ridiculous velocities, when Berry's and Rainier shed plating. Their 200 and 230 gr. .45 bullets are a workhorse, for developing ludicrous .460R velocities.
Quote from: munchie3409 on June 17 2016 12:44:45 PM MDT
I read that the HP Xtremes can go to 1500fps...of course it's no longer 10% off, but at least I know now that those bullets are GTG.
Quote from: DM1906 on June 14 2016 05:22:42 PM MDT
Quote from: munchie3409 on June 14 2016 08:34:40 AM MDT
Anyone using the Xtreme 165/180gr HP? I haven't loaded for 10mm, yet but wanted to see if these bullets work well.
I've sent a few thousand of them down range. Several calibers, including .40SW and 10mm. Good bullets. The HP's (Hollow Point and Heavy Plate) hold up to ridiculous velocities, when Berry's and Rainier shed plating. Their 200 and 230 gr. .45 bullets are a workhorse, for developing ludicrous .460R velocities.
I've had the .40/10mm 180 gr. HP's well above 1800 FPS and they make it to the target, accurately and intact. Berry's and Rainier don't at that velocity. I don't know if it's bullet core or the plating, but they pepper my chrono and miss paper at 50'. There may be as good of an affordable plated bullet available, but I don't know of one.
Get on their mailing list. They run the "discounts" in a cycle, which seems to be about a month. Just sent 500 bucks their way yesterday. .45 bullets were 10% off, and I needed a bunch. $5 flat rate shipping is nice. Sometimes they're run free shipping, but nothing else will be on sale. 50 bucks off a $500 purchase is way better than free $5 shipping. Their primers are good, and about $30/1000 in bulk, delivered. Haven't tried any of their brass, but it's always on sale, too. I don't buy reman brass, but they have it at a good price.
QuoteI've had the .40/10mm 180 gr. HP's well above 1800 FPS and they make it to the target, accurately and intact.
:o Wow, any loading data for that?
Quote from: Ascinder on July 09 2016 12:22:08 AM MDT
QuoteI've had the .40/10mm 180 gr. HP's well above 1800 FPS and they make it to the target, accurately and intact.
:o Wow, any loading data for that?
Sure. A heavy dose of 2400, but it won't fit in your 10mm Auto. This is a RBH .38-40 load.
I've been looking for a Ruger 10mm with the .38-40 cylinder for a couple years. One of these days I will find it.
Quote from: PCFlorida on July 09 2016 03:32:43 PM MDT
I've been looking for a Ruger 10m with the .38-40 cylinder for a couple years. One of these days I will find it.
Good luck. When I got mine, there were many around in various conditions, and prices were reasonable. Not so now, on all accounts.
Yes, you are correct. I have had some crazy prices thrown at me. Well over a grand.
QuoteSure. A heavy dose of 2400, but it won't fit in your 10mm Auto. This is a RBH .38-40 load.
Lol, that makes a lot more sense now. I thought maybe there was a typo at first.
Quote from: Ascinder on July 09 2016 11:13:14 PM MDT
QuoteSure. A heavy dose of 2400, but it won't fit in your 10mm Auto. This is a RBH .38-40 load.
Lol, that makes a lot more sense now. I thought maybe there was a typo at first.
No, not a typo. Bullet performance as it relates to the topic, offered as a comparison of brands and designs. I've pushed this caliber about as far as possible, and have seen first hand what works and what doesn't in a variety of platforms. For information purposes only, the .40" Barnes Tac-XP bullet can be pushed to penetrate 2 (two) layers of Class III ballistic soft body armor (through front and back, with barrier in between), and still destroy 2 water filled gallon milk jugs, from a 6.5" revolver. The lightest/fastest similar bullet in .460R (160 gr.) doesn't come close. THAT is scary.
My go-to PD bullet is an all-copper Barnes TAC-XP, 155g in the 10mm and 140g. in the 40S&W. See http://10mm-firearms.com/reloading-10mm-ammo/10mm-loads-with-barnes-155g-tac-xp/
...for how well they expand and stay together.
My practice oads consist of the 175gr TC Lee bullet(weighs 180 with my alloy after being powder coated) over Titegroup for general plinking duty or bluedot for loads to match the recoil of my deer hunting load.
My deer hunting load is the 180XTP over bluedot.
I'm thinking of trying the powder coated Lee bullet on deer this year as they are super accurate out of my Glock 20 and are cheap!!!
Quote from: Pumpkinheaver on September 03 2016 06:36:43 PM MDT
My practice oads consist of the 175gr TC Lee bullet(weighs 180 with my alloy after being powder coated)
That reminds me I'm out, better get to casting!
Great bullet!
Quote from: Benchrst on September 04 2016 11:03:18 AM MDT
Quote from: Pumpkinheaver on September 03 2016 06:36:43 PM MDT
My practice oads consist of the 175gr TC Lee bullet(weighs 180 with my alloy after being powder coated)
That reminds me I'm out, better get to casting!
Great bullet!
I agree.