Ok guys
I got my Glock 20 in hand and plan to shoot 165, 180, and 200 grain bullets from it. I am ordering 1k Starline brass today and plan to get powder this week as well.
What powder? Longshot looks really promising as does Blue Dot. What else should I look at. I plan to only use ONE powder for the 10 as I already have too many on hand as is.
I need the one powder to cover the caliber. It doesn't have to be the fastest just a good broad spectrum 10mm powder.
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Bluedot is my go to powder.
Quote from: sqlbullet on May 02 2016 10:05:14 AM MDT
Bluedot is my go to powder.
I am trying to find some. I have found LS and AA9 in 8 pound kegs.
I love Blue Dot, used it long before I got the 10mm in March 1990 and started using it in my very first 10mm loads before book published data was available. It is not the powder for the fastest bullets but it does perform well, I have had some of my most accurate with Blue Dot in many cartridges and especial with 10mm at distance.
Now I will say, I have used many different powders over the years, but I am into Alliant's BE-86 powder lately for the ease of powder measuring, the balance of performance, velocity and economics across many cartridges with this powder.
LongShot has been used to bring out the higher velocities but it's used above the published data to get there. I load my upper end velocity loads with LongShot and 800X, however they are all hand weighed and verified and loaded on a single stage press.
BE-86 is on my very, very short list to try out. Seems to pack about the same energy as Blue Dot into less grains, therefore less money.
Thanks guys!
How about HS-6? I can get my hands on it as well.
Right now, LS and AA#9 are the two I am leaning towards choosing from.
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HS-6 has some uses as well, I would suggest you study the data at Hodgdon's website for each cartridge you want to load for to get a feel for its potential and yield with various bullet weights. https://www.hodgdon.com/ (https://www.hodgdon.com/)
If you can find the Hodgdon's 2016 annual manual publication it has over 5000+ loads for many cartridges. Good data for your money value!
Quote from: The_Shadow on May 02 2016 12:26:01 PM MDT
HS-6 has some uses as well, I would suggest you study the data at Hodgdon's website for each cartridge you want to load for to get a feel for its potential and yield with various bullet weights. https://www.hodgdon.com/ (https://www.hodgdon.com/)
If you can find the Hodgdon's 2016 annual manual publication it has over 5000+ loads for many cartridges. Good data for your money value!
I have it and I have pet loads as well.
Just trying to feel out you guys. I like to get opinions from a group like this before I buy in bulk.
HS6 is a bit fast. Good for plinking loads, but you won't get much beyond 40S&W levels with it.
Quote from: sqlbullet on May 02 2016 02:37:15 PM MDT
HS6 is a bit fast. Good for plinking loads, but you won't get much beyond 40S&W levels with it.
That's what I was thinking from my research on it.
My favorites in descending order.
800x (my favorite 10mm powder, but MUST hand weigh)
AA#7
PowerPistol (especially lighter bullets)
Longshot (heavier bullets-likes to be pushed)
BE-86 -won't win velocity contest but good powder
Greg
If I had to depend on only one powder it'd be #7 or Longshot.
Since the most important of my 10mm loads are built for hunting and bear defense I'm stickin with BlueDot. I get better accuracy with it than Longshot or 800X.
I load for 9mm, 10mm, 45 and 44 Magnum (and several rifle calibers too) so, like you, I'm working down to two or three powders to handle these handgun cartridges. The fast burning powders such as bullseye, 231/HP38, universal etc. can all handle plinkin loads for all these cartridges so that leaves me with a need for powders to deliver full power accurate hunting loads for 10mm and 44 Magnum. Blue Dot will deliver for both the 10mm and 44 Magnum. Although, I haven't worked up any 44 Magnum loads with Blue Dot yet so I may find I need to pick up a pound or two of 296 if BlueDot doesn't deliver.
Your requirements would be well served by Accurate no. 7.
Ok guys
I am about to order 4 pounds each of #7 and Long Shot
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I've used BlueDot, decent powder but I've had inconsistent powder measures. I always seem to come back to Autocomp and HS-6 as my go-to powder (I usually load 180g bullets or higher). Of course there's tons of powders I haven't used yet, I'm in AK so sometimes you have to take what you can get. On the flip side I've had bad experiences 800-X and Longshot.
On a side note you'll have the best accuracy with minimum or near minimum published load data, you can really tame 10mm. Of course many will argue that's hardly the point of the 10mm so follow your heart.
I haven't ordered yet, but HS-6 looks good for my uses as well.
I know AA #9 will be on my list!
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Quote from: BravoSherpa on May 04 2016 11:55:39 AM MDT
I've used BlueDot, decent powder but I've had inconsistent powder measures. I always seem to come back to Autocomp and HS-6 as my go-to powder (I usually load 180g bullets or higher). Of course there's tons of powders I haven't used yet, I'm in AK so sometimes you have to take what you can get. On the flip side I've had bad experiences 800-X and Longshot.
On a side note you'll have the best accuracy with minimum or near minimum published load data, you can really tame 10mm. Of course many will argue that's hardly the point of the 10mm so follow your heart.
I completely understand.
I am going to get some HS-6 I know and I found AutoComp in an 8 pound jug for REALLY CHEAP so I may go ahead and get it too.
I am still leaning to AA #9 for hunting loads.
Quote from: BrowningGuy88 on May 06 2016 05:41:14 PM MDT
Quote from: BravoSherpa on May 04 2016 11:55:39 AM MDT
I've used BlueDot, decent powder but I've had inconsistent powder measures. I always seem to come back to Autocomp and HS-6 as my go-to powder (I usually load 180g bullets or higher). Of course there's tons of powders I haven't used yet, I'm in AK so sometimes you have to take what you can get. On the flip side I've had bad experiences 800-X and Longshot.
On a side note you'll have the best accuracy with minimum or near minimum published load data, you can really tame 10mm. Of course many will argue that's hardly the point of the 10mm so follow your heart.
I completely understand.
I am going to get some HS-6 I know and I found AutoComp in an 8 pound jug for REALLY CHEAP so I may go ahead and get it too.
I am still leaning to AA #9 for hunting loads.
Just my opinion......
That would be a strike-out on my powder shopping list, for 10mm.
HS-6 is OK, but just OK. It will get you in the 500-550 FPE range with larger bullets. It's better with 155 gr. and less bullets. There are better faster-level powders. I have had curious success with it and carbine-length barrels. It's better left to .40SW duties.
Autocomp is similar to HS-6, but is more peakish to pressure with small increases, and the speed limit comes up fast. Again, there are much better alternatives to either. WSF and/or BE-86 would be much better, for either.
AA9, in my opinion, is not ideal for 10mm, at any bullet weight. A lot of people use it, but results are all over the map. It is too slow and doesn't compress well. It is safe, however, as you can't overcharge it with heavy bullets. I've also found it to be very inconsistent during freezing temperatures. This was curious to me, as .44M and .45LC rounds never did this. Longshot, AA7 or Blue Dot would be better alternatives. In regards to hunting, assuming heavier bullets, Longshot produces the greatest velocities, while Blue Dot produces the greatest accuracy and consistency with a minimal loss of velocity.
I'm not saying your choices wouldn't work, only that they are far off the ideal mark. I would only use or recommend them if that's all you can source. I use Blue Dot, Longshot and 2400 almost exclusively for 10mm Auto. But, I don't load "plinker" 10mm. The .40SW does fine in that need. Just the same, I don't down-load .357 or .44 Mags. That's what the Spl's are for, and it's only a matter of economics, or training beginners.
Accurate no. 9 is all about bullet pull. Nothing gives more consistent ignition and low standard deviations on velocities like stuffing a 200 gr XTP over a full charge charge #9 into a new Starline case. 13 grains consistently gives 1200 fps or a hair more from my G20. No ammo groups better in my Glock. My 200 gr WFNGC hard cast loads fit more powder, and they are more like 1230 fps. Im so confident in that load that it is what I carry in the wilderness. There is some temp sensitivity, less so with the newer American made lots, but that is true with any powder.
Accurate no. 9 in older, less ductile, cases soiled with nitro fouling can be 100 fps slower with wider velocity spreads. This likely the mixed results folks see.