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Other Ammunition Calibers => Factory Ammo pull-downs => Topic started by: RDub01 on April 02 2016 11:50:36 PM MDT

Title: 38 Special Remington 125gr. JHP Ultimate Defense +P Pulldown
Post by: RDub01 on April 02 2016 11:50:36 PM MDT
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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Remington Ultimate Defense
Muzzle Velocity; Advertised: 975 fps
Actual Instrumental Velocity:  936 fps  75 fps Extreme Spread
Muzzle Energy; Advertised: 264 ft. lbs.
Brass Make/Head stamp:  R-P 38 SPL +P
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info:  Remington 125 grain Jacketed Hollow Point (Golden Saber?) .3575" dia; .577" long.
Actual Weight: 125.1 grains 
C.O.A.L.:  1.528 – 1.536"
Primer: Rem
Case: Nickel
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight:  Small flake; 6.3 grains BE-86?

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25 yards; Shot out of a 4" 686. Data taken with an Oehler 33; screens 10' from muzzle.
Target 5½"

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25 yards; Shot out of a 2½" Mod 66. Data taken with an Oehler 33; screens 10' from muzzle.
Target 5½"

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Title: Re: 38 Special Remington 125gr. JHP Ultimate Defense +P Pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on April 03 2016 07:39:24 AM MDT
Rdub, Alliant 38 spl P+ data I show for Power Pistol shows 125 JSP COAL 1.445" tested  5.6" BBL (1.5 " longer than your tested)
Powder Pistol 6.3 grains @ 1,165 fps 17,200 PSI

From the picture shown, it's hard to tell, but I don't see the off color white or rust color kernels in the powder that BE-86 normally shows.  Did that powder show any off color kernels?  Alliant does show BE-86 6.1 grains @ 1065 fps from a 6" BBL.

Alliant 2006 data keep in mind these are test barrel results...
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Title: Re: 38 Special Remington 125gr. JHP Ultimate Defense +P Pulldown
Post by: RDub01 on April 03 2016 09:21:35 AM MDT
Hey Shadow
The kernels are all the same color actually.

I have that Alliant pamphlet also.. Interestingly, Alliant has upped the charge of Power Pistol in this load to 6.8grs.

http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/recipedetail.aspx?gtypeid=1&weight=125&shellid=27&bulletid=28

I wonder what would happen if these 'test barrels' were installed on real guns.. LOL.


Title: Re: 38 Special Remington 125gr. JHP Ultimate Defense +P Pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on April 03 2016 10:35:56 AM MDT
These are easy to test as both powders are available and even using a cast bullet as the test it should be very close to what you are seeing in the factory performance!

BTW thanks for sharing...