What's going on these days? I wonder what got this person to go off the deep end like that?
http://heavy.com/news/2016/03/clarence-briggs-pennsylvania-state-trooper-photos-pictures-turnpike-robbery-shooting-bankruptcy-gun-iwi/
Some odd stuff in that report:
- $5000/MO pension is pretty good IMO. It also appears he had additional work with IWI.
- Wife works at a hospital. If she is a nurse that's good money!
- Older Lexus and BMW... maybe living at a high standard?
- The house was worth what was owed. The 200k mortgage seems doable.
- The 17k in student loan debt is probably the wife's related to her hospital schooling.
- I'm shocked about the 75k in credit card debt. WTH did they buy to run it up that high? That's kind of a killer! High on the hog purchases?
They had already filed for bankruptcy. Something isn't making sense and money management sounds way out of whack!
Sad, days as the world is turning to crap...It does seem he was living above their means if the debts are as stated...
It actually seems within means if the wife is doing well. If they filed for bankruptcy in 2014, how did they get 75k in credit card limits already? Usually you can get a card right after with low limits. I wonder if more details will come out?
On another note he had to know he wouldn't get away with it. Was he setting up to check out because he was tired of dealing with it?
Yes it does seem like a strange ordeal.
Not exactly the best place or location for an attempt. I wonder what the wife's role is in all of this?
Don't know the answers but he got what he had coming to him.
This is practically in my back yard. (about 100 miles away) My local dealer is a retired trooper and works part time for the Turnpike collecting money from the toll booths.
Strange...
Daylight, in an area that usually have Police at the ready, no mask... makes zero sense!
Nothing unusual for around here. 99% of cops around here are crooks.
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Pa State Police have a superior retirement plan that calculates the highest one year served thru their tenure. This person was over the top in life style. Heck, I'm 50 and gave stuff away and continue too. Food, shelter, ammo. Bear in mind, Penna like other states are suffering a severe pension crises. One day the hair cuts will come.
I thought his $5000/mo was pretty nice too! I'm still wondering what they bought that totalled $75,000 in two years? Being in law enforcement that many years he should have known a better plan to "possibly" get away with it. Where would one go to here more about the findings in this case?
Quote from: Intercooler on March 21 2016 04:32:44 PM MDT
I thought his $5000/mo was pretty nice too! I'm still wondering what they bought that totalled $75,000 in two years? Being in law enforcement that many years he should have known a better plan to "possibly" get away with it. Where would one go to here more about the findings in this case?
Find out what county he committed his crime, and do a search at the county courthouse website for his name.
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More gun control for even cops, right? That's the solution because of a knucklehead.
Yet, gun possession and concealed carry is ridiculous for the average law abiding citizen, the same people who have crime statistics equal or lower than police, depending on the study you read.
Pass my my holster and pistol, please. I will continue to carry. It should be legally across all 50 states and other territories.
Country has lost its way.
http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-pa-turnpike-killings-ft-littleton-search-warrant-20160324-story.html
The plot thickens as he received a payout when he retired of $112,000. They spent a ton of money and were still in debt.
Normally upon retirement you can be paid for the excess sick time, vacation time, comp time, etc that you didn't use, which is probably what that lump sum is from.
Though, $112,000 seems like an awful lot. My agency caps it to two years of vacation, comp bank, and we don't get paid for sick time.
And that was gone in two years as well. Plenty of money to dig out IMO.
No doubt the guy and his wife had issues.
I was just explaining where the payout may have come from.
Yea. I don't know why he went down this road. Pay what you can and truck on! I found it interesting he was wearing a vest and took it in the leg. That's what's always funny when people say they shold have shot someone in the leg.
I noticed the leg shot. I wonder of one of the troopers saw armor and decided to shoot low.
It had to be. I'm glad they got him without another loss of life. Ironically it may have been a former co-worker that killed him.
Quote from: 4949shooter on March 27 2016 06:48:40 PM MDT
I noticed the leg shot. I wonder of one of the troopers saw armor and decided to shoot low.
That's the story I would stick with (sounds a lot more PC than a head shot). It was probably a miss, though. "Body armor drills" NEVER include a leg shot. Leg shots are not part of any professional training that I'm aware of. In reality, if body armor is a factor, a shot (or a few) to center mass is much more likely to be effective than a leg shot. A hit to a leg may not even be felt. Hit someone in the chest with a sledge hammer, and they will reevaluate their situation.
I'd call it a miss ( leg hit )... body armor drills were always 2 center and 2 to head.
Either way, he went down that road and paid the price, sad part was he took someone with him.
None of it makes any sense. He picked the wrong location to get away with it and probably knew he had a slim chance in hell. I don't see the issue in digging out from the debt they had over a period of time.
Quote from: DM1906 on March 28 2016 02:14:30 PM MDT
Quote from: 4949shooter on March 27 2016 06:48:40 PM MDT
I noticed the leg shot. I wonder of one of the troopers saw armor and decided to shoot low.
That's the story I would stick with (sounds a lot more PC than a head shot). It was probably a miss, though. "Body armor drills" NEVER include a leg shot. Leg shots are not part of any professional training that I'm aware of. In reality, if body armor is a factor, a shot (or a few) to center mass is much more likely to be effective than a leg shot. A hit to a leg may not even be felt. Hit someone in the chest with a sledge hammer, and they will reevaluate their situation.
Good point. A lot of guys do tend to shoot low in shootings, in my experience.
Quote from: Intercooler on March 28 2016 03:43:23 PM MDT
None of it makes any sense. He picked the wrong location to get away with it and probably knew he had a slim chance in hell. I don't see the issue in digging out from the debt they had over a period of time.
I think he just lost his mind. :-\
I really hoped for the juicy details of what they spent all that money on. They listed what ammo he had and it was meager. If they ever investigated me they would find enough to think I was outfitting an Army! 8)
Quote from: Intercooler on March 28 2016 03:52:40 PM MDT
I really hoped for the juicy details of what they spent all that money on. They listed what ammo he had and it was meager. If they ever investigated me they would find enough to think I was outfitting an Army! 8)
Haha me too! :P
Body armor drills are head and groin . At least how were trained. Groin close to femur.
Quote from: pacapcop on March 28 2016 06:37:08 PM MDT
Body armor drills are head and groin . At least how were trained. Groin close to femur.
I stand corrected, then. Never heard of that, after decades of receiving and instructing PPC and the like. Perhaps unique to your local department. The "groin" (pelvic) hit, in my experience, is a "foundation" hit, and taught independent of body armor drills. Meaning, if the objective is to stop the motion of a target, removing the foundation does this well. A simple "femur" shot is rarely effective for either objective, even if the femoral artery is hit. Few handgun cartridge power levels (and none commonly carried by LEO's) have the ability to actually break an adult femur. However, to stop an armed target, COM or head is the only effective method (when it's effective). Body armor drills are: 2-COM, 1-head, in that order. Tap-Tap--Tap. No other method is taught, professionally, that I'm aware of.
I was taught this:
2 COM, evaluate
2 COM, 1 Head, evaluate
2 COM, 1 Head, 2 Groin, 1 Head, evaluate.
If after 6 COM shots, three head shots and two groin shots the perp is still in play, use cover to get to your patrol rifle cause a pistol is never gonna do it.
My agency teaches Mozambique.
Though I frequently train for groin shots on my own. I believe there are advantages to this target in certain situations.
Like these stories always seem to go... nothing more on it!
The bad guy is deceased!
Quote from: 4949shooter on April 21 2016 04:24:29 PM MDT
The bad guy is deceased!
Yeah, but only a little bit. Investigations are fluid, ya know....
Quote from: DM1906 on April 21 2016 04:48:23 PM MDT
Quote from: 4949shooter on April 21 2016 04:24:29 PM MDT
The bad guy is deceased!
Yeah, but only a little bit. Investigations are fluid, ya know....
Maybe we can bring him back for questioning..
Nothing from the Wife or investigation of what led up to this in the last days.
Retired cop's pension wasn't enough?
I blame Obama!