Just an Opinion poll...I am considering making these for possible retail, if there is enough interest.
These would be loaded with #9 shot. They may or may not cycle the slide as fired.
Unless you plan to do an awful lot of ammo, it would be hard to recoup the licensing costs I would think.
An 06ffl with sot ain't cheap.
That's true, its not looking good...
Sorry to be a spoil sport there, but I know that gets expensive quick.. I know several ffl who dropped from an 07 to just a regular ffl because of all the bs fees including itar.
If I remember right , no lic for the bullet part...
So how bout just making the shot & holder section for reloaders.
You would really just need the shot capsule. And that shouldn't fall under regulation. You could market it as something else even. Plastic make your own necklace pendants .400" diameter.
Quote from: sqlbullet on January 13 2016 08:53:35 AM MST
You would really just need the shot capsule. And that shouldn't fall under regulation. You could market it as something else even. Plastic make your own necklace pendants .400" diameter.
Local company that just casts bullets and shot was told last year by atf they had to get an 06ffl with sot plus pay itar fees..
So they need to start making lead necklace pendants in various diameters and paper weight filler in various gauges. :P
In all seriousness this illustrates why the rules are just plain dumb. If I were to make lead fishing sinkers that were .400" in diameter, weighed .46 oz and had an eyelet on the nose that could be easily trimmed off, they wouldn't fall under regulation. Cut the eyelet off and they would make great WFN bullets for 10mm. But they wouldn't have this burden.
I have engaged in a dialog repeatedly with a local commercial casting company I sell lead to about helping them take their business online. They don't have ffl or itar. They did contact an attorney that was knowledgable who advised them that for what they were doing, an FFL wasn't needed. I remain leery of getting involved, even though it would be pretty easy money for me, because I don't know what that would mean for me. I don't make them, I just buy from them at wholesale and resell at retail. Do I need an FFL and ITAR? I can't get a straight answer from anyone.
I am not saying it isn't, nor am I saying that a company in other areas isn't getting different information. And I certainly can't find any clear ruling about cast lead in any ATF documentation.
Yes the rules are such that it doesn't look like I'll be doing these for retail...it was more of a look and see, if there was interest in these. I was looking into the having to purchase brass and other items...$$$ money wise they wouldn't work out to be affordable and shipping would also add to the prohibitive prospect. ???
I have some 38 Special, 44 Special, 45ACP, and 22LR shotshells. Personally I see no use for them. They are more for rodent control around barns than anything else. Some people call them "snake shot," but the shot is not very effective past 5 feet. If you can spot a poisonous snake (while hiking), you usually have time to move out of the way, and the snake doesn't want to be around you anyways. If you can't spot it in time, you may get bit.
The only time I have seen them used was when a friend of mine shot a racoon that was trying to steal food from an ice chest with a 45ACP shotshell from 6 feet away. The racoon just backed off about 3 feet, and then tried to circle around. It may have killed the racoon weeks later do to some type of infection, but otherwise the shotshell was useless.
If you don't want to deal with selling loaded ammo, you can sell a kit. Size some 10mm magnum brass down to form a shotshell, and sell it with a base wad, lead shot, and a shot cover patch. Include some load data with the kit.
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