I may be a little ahead of myself, but since the new XDS in 40 S&W has been released, it's time to think about whether the 40 and 45 share the same magazine. If so, the XDS 40 will be easy to convert. I downloaded pics of both to do an overlay, and they appear to be identical, so maybe there's a simple spacer in the 40 mag, like the S&W CS40. I converted a CS40, and it worked really well and surprisingly soft to shoot. It was a bit too large/heavy for me to carry, and eventually sold it.
I have appendix carried the XDS-45 in a kydex IWB holster with good results, so if I can convert the new XDS 40 to 10mm, it'll be something I would actually carry. Bye bye LC9s Pro...hello XDS-40 in 10mm? Just messin' about the lC9s, as I believe it's a fine example of a 100% reliable 7+1 concealed carry gun. But, the prospect of a really lightweight and narrow 10mm has me very intrigued.
If the share the same frame it should be easily accomplished. And it would be a cool small 10mm
If it can be done I will buy one to do
Quote from: sqlbullet on January 12 2016 08:01:36 PM MST
If the share the same frame it should be easily accomplished. And it would be a cool small 10mm
I doubt it is exactly the same. The XD-S 9mm and 45ACP frames are almost identical except the 9mm XD-S magazine well has two ribs to take up space for the shorter bullet length of the magazine. A 9mm XD-S magazine will fit in a 45ACP XD-S magazine well side to side, but it will flop around front to back. It would be like trying to put a Glock 22 magazine in a Glock 20. Most likely any new 40S&W XD gun will have backwards magazine capability with their other 40S&W XD guns.
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So...can you put the XDs 9mm slide on the XDs 45 ACP frame?
If so, and if the XDs 40 follows the same pattern, you could buy a 45 frame, 40 upper, ream and alter 45 mags.
Getting to be a lot of work though.
Quote from: sqlbullet on January 15 2016 09:43:29 AM MST
So...can you put the XDs 9mm slide on the XDs 45 ACP frame?
If so, and if the XDs 40 follows the same pattern, you could buy a 45 frame, 40 upper, ream and alter 45 mags.
Getting to be a lot of work though.
Yes, I guess you could do all that - if you can find just the 40S&W upper.
I wish Springfield would offer complete conversion uppers like Sig Sauer.
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10mm ammo fits my xds-45 mags just fine. Maybe do a little lip tweaking is all. If that mag fits the xds-40 with a little creative rib-spacer filing (if that's what it has), the conversion will be easy enough. Just need to check the ejection port for proper size. If it's the same, that would be awesome. Then just ream the chamber to size and viola!
BTW, the CS40 used a heavy barrel to match the exterior barrel dimension of the CS45. It gave the CS40 a very stout barrel for 10mm. If I get this done, I'll be testing with Armscor 180 gr wimp stuff, and find a friend to shoot some Underwood thru it! :))
They probably would not be a friend anymore after that.. ;D
Quote from: StockIIBoss on January 23 2016 04:31:51 AM MST
10mm ammo fits my xds-45 mags just fine. Maybe do a little lip tweaking is all. If that mag fits the xds-40 with a little creative rib-spacer filing (if that's what it has), the conversion will be easy enough. Just need to check the ejection port for proper size. If it's the same, that would be awesome. Then just ream the chamber to size and viola!
BTW, the CS40 used a heavy barrel to match the exterior barrel dimension of the CS45. It gave the CS40 a very stout barrel for 10mm. If I get this done, I'll be testing with Armscor 180 gr wimp stuff, and find a friend to shoot some Underwood thru it! :))
Do not hesitate. Do this.
Quote from: StockIIBoss on January 23 2016 04:31:51 AM MST
10mm ammo fits my xds-45 mags just fine. Maybe do a little lip tweaking is all. If that mag fits the xds-40 with a little creative rib-spacer filing (if that's what it has), the conversion will be easy enough. Just need to check the ejection port for proper size. If it's the same, that would be awesome. Then just ream the chamber to size and viola!
Here are some pictures of my 9mm XD-S magazine well. The two ribs should be visible. The width of my XD-S magazine is 0.560", and the length is 1.265".
(http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1362/13695381/24585439/412110791.jpg)
(http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1362/13695381/24585439/412110788.jpg)
The ejection port on the 9mm is smaller than the length of the 10mm cartridge (~1.260"). The port length of my 9mm XD-S is 1.215". Chances are that the XD-S in 40S&W would have an ejection port similar to the 9mm as opposed to the 45ACP. The ejector may also need t be replace or cut shorter on the 40S&W XD-S.
(http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1362/13695381/24585439/412110790.jpg)
(http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1362/13695381/24585439/412110789.jpg)
If the ejection port on the 40S&W XD-S is the same size as the 45ACP XD-S, you might not need to ream the barrel chamber (but if you removed the magazine ribs you might as well go all the way). I have loaded some 10mm using 40S&W brass. You might be able to do the same and just use the stock 40S&W barrel. Below is a picture of 40S&W brass used to load 10mm. The throat of the 40S&W might interfere with 10mm length of the bullet. A stepped bullet like the Remington Golden Saber would probably make it work.
(http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1362/13695381/24585439/410045747.jpg)
(http://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/880x660/Primary/527/527566.jpg)
(http://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/880x660/Primary/160/160321.jpg)
You only need to eject EMPTY cases (no bullet). It may work in-action, but less then ideal. Pretty tight.
Quote from: DM1906 on January 26 2016 12:22:48 AM MST
You only need to eject EMPTY cases (no bullet). It may work in-action, but less then ideal. Pretty tight.
Its pretty inconvenient at a minimum to have to drop the mag to clear a jam if you cannot eject a bad loaded round, could be life threatening if you are in a self defense situation.
If this were going to be a range only gun I could see living with having to drop the mag to eject a live round. But not on a small defensive gun.
Looks like this may be a challenge.
Quote from: rw on January 26 2016 12:36:51 AM MST
Quote from: DM1906 on January 26 2016 12:22:48 AM MST
You only need to eject EMPTY cases (no bullet). It may work in-action, but less then ideal. Pretty tight.
Its pretty inconvenient at a minimum to have to drop the mag to clear a jam if you cannot eject a bad loaded round, could be life threatening if you are in a self defense situation.
Of course. But we aren't discussing a primary defensive weapon. As SQL said, range time and recreational entertainment use. I would NEVER suggest any questionable platform be relied upon for anything more than to tickle your fancy or enhance your cool. Can do and should do are not the same.
I'm still excited about the conversion. Really just waiting for a XDS-40 to show up at a LGS. I'll have my caliper at the ready! It always pleases counter sales when you aren't there to buy. LOL
From the Springfield site pics I've overlayed, it looks like the ejection port is slightly smaller on the 40's slide, so barrel lockup dimensions will also be different. As mentioned, ejecting a live round would be via the grip if that's the case. But is it worth the 'cool' factor to have a 10mm as thin as the XDS. Yes? I mean YES!
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I have an XDS-40 on the way. I'll have the answers next week. ;D
If you want more power for the woods, a friend of mine ( flyandscuba ) shoots 45 super thru his XDS 45 for a few years now.no change to anything. After watching him I started doin the same thing. Ive seen no signs of battering yet.altho i dont shoot a lot of them i dont shy away from it either.
If you just want 10 mm and like projects just cause, i competly understand. But 45 super is equal to or a little stronger than 10 mm so that tells me when you get it together you should have no problems with durability . Search flyandscuba and you can get his info and chrony results
Quote from: Deadeyeluke on June 19 2016 11:09:16 AM MDT
If you want more power for the woods, a friend of mine ( flyandscuba ) shoots 45 super thru his XDS 45 for a few years now.no change to anything. After watching him I started doin the same thing. Ive seen no signs of battering yet.altho i dont shoot a lot of them i dont shy away from it either.
If you just want 10 mm and like projects just cause, i competly understand. But 45 super is equal to or a little stronger than 10 mm so that tells me when you get it together you should have no problems with durability . Search flyandscuba and you can get his info and chrony results
I shot 45 Super out of my Glcok 21 with 24# spring and LW barrel, and after 50 rounds my Glock was beat to crap. I will never shoot 45 Super out of a gun that was not specifically designed to shoot that caliber. I can't see where the little XDS would be able to handle that cartridge that much better.
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Lots of people shoot 45 super outta there glocks no problem.hell there has been 460 rowlands on that same platform for years.donno what to tell you. Except maybe its not for you.
I hadn't though about 45 Super, or even knew about it. I'm familiar with the 38 Super, but that was it. I'm starting to like the sound of that. In the mean time, the XDS 40 arrived today, so I got right on it.
The good news is that it can easily be converted to 10mm. The 40 slide works perfectly on the 45 frame. They are identical except for the two spacer ribs in the magazine well. So, you can just use a 45 frame with no mods, or grind the ribs on the 40 S&W frame and use the 45ACP magazines. If you wanted to leave your XDS 45 in tact, just sand away. It's such that it would be a very easy job to sand or file down without hacking up the interior. In that case, you wouldn't have any need for the XDS 45. Just buy the 40, file down the ribs, and use the 45 magazines. Other "good" news is that the 40's barrel is stout. It actually fits into the 45 slide and pretty much fills the hole. And there appears to be plenty of surrounding chamber material that reaming to 10mm headspace won't impinge the barrel wall.
Now for the bad news. The ejection port is too small to manually clear a live round. You folks already suspected that could be an issue, and you were right. So, if it becomes necessary to clear a failed round, you must drop the magazine first and clear the round through the magazine well. Bummer. Not a deal breaker for the conversion for me, though. And I'm going to proceed by sending the barrel off to Ohio to have it reamed.
Now, let's argue, er discuss, about whether you should or could use the conversion for a carry weapon. I converted a CS40 Chief's Special to 10mm, which was the perfect platform for it, and easy to do, and it shot like a dream. However, I tried carrying it and it was just too heavy and chunky, and so it sat in the safe until I eventually sold it. The XDS on the other hand, is very thin and not that heavy, and I've carried the XDS45 concealed plenty of times. Depending on how reliable it feeds and how it shoots, I wouldn't have any problems carrying it for self defense. I've not once had any 10mm ammunition fail on me, so I trust that, but if it's fussy about feeding properly, then that's an entire eyebrows raising concern.
So yea, nay, I'm a crazy mofo, have fun, let a stranger at the range shoot it first?
Quote from: Deadeyeluke on June 19 2016 04:37:31 PM MDT
Lots of people shoot 45 super outta there glocks no problem.hell there has been 460 rowlands on that same platform for years.donno what to tell you. Except maybe its not for you.
Rowland uses a comp. I can't have a threaded barrel on my pistol in California, and I do not feel like dedicating a slide and barrel to 460 Rowland or 45 Super by welding a comp on the barrel.
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Here's an interesting tidbit the Glock 30 recoil spring assembly fits and functions in the XDS it does hang out a little bit on the front but it fires and cycles fine this allows you to change the recoil spring rate because Glock's have many options in that department. Also the aftermarket recoil guide assembly like from wolf or something like that can easily be modified to be just short enough to fit in the XDS but for experimenting you can just stuff a Glock 30 recoil assembly in there and it will be fine .
Quote from: Deadeyeluke on June 21 2016 10:51:32 AM MDT
Here's an interesting tidbit the Glock 30 recoil spring assembly fits and functions in the XDS it does hang out a little bit on the front but it fires and cycles fine this allows you to change the recoil spring rate because Glock's have many options in that department. Also the aftermarket recoil guide assembly like from wolf or something like that can easily be modified to be just short enough to fit in the XDS but for experimenting you can just stuff a Glock 30 recoil assembly in there and it will be fine .
So does the Glock 19 (in my XDS 4.0")
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Quote from: Deadeyeluke on June 19 2016 04:37:31 PM MDT
Lots of people shoot 45 super outta there glocks no problem.hell there has been 460 rowlands on that same platform for years.donno what to tell you. Except maybe its not for you.
Rowland uses a comp. I can't have a threaded barrel on my pistol in California, and I do not feel like dedicating a slide and barrel to 460 Rowland or 45 Super by welding a comp on the barrel.
Yes, a compensator is required for .460R, however, you can have a threaded barrel in CA. Threaded barrels are not illegal. An assembled pistol with a threaded barrel, on the other hand, is illegal. An assembled slide and barrel with a compensator properly installed (requires "gunsmithing skills" and specific tools), is NOT considered a threaded barrel. The "threaded barrel" definition in CA is any barrel design, capable of readily accepting installation of a prohibited device, and is not limited to only threads. For this reason, the law also requires an "intent to assemble" such prohibited devices. The process of removing and/or installing the compensator is a "state of repair" condition, meaning the threaded barrel is not recognized as such during that period. Ideally, it's much easier to just dedicate a slide to a barrel with a comp, but you certainly do not have to "weld" it on. A set screw and Loc-Tite is sufficient to satisfy the "permanently attached" requirement. You can go a step further, if you wish, and fill the set screw with a compound (RTV, epoxy, etc.), which requires greater professional skills to remove. Even welded comps are "removable", by the same definition (often easier, too). If you are in possession of a threaded barrel with an attached comp, and are not in possession of a prohibited device that will fit it (flash hider, can), then there is no "intent to assemble" (legal term) a prohibited firearm.
Simply stated, CA laws are a PITA. However, there are ways to have what you want (with obvious limitations), and still remain legal. Also, barrel threading is not the only method of attaching a comp (or whatever, including prohibited devices).
My .460R build is a G21 with dedicated long slide, barrel and comp. While I could swap barrels as needed, I simply don't. The .460R setup fires and cycles .45ACP and .45 Super just fine as it is. An added bonus is, they recoil like a .22LR.
As far as .45 Super goes, any Glock .45ACP will handle it just fine. A heavier RSA is recommended, but certainly not required. If you don't want/need more power than that, then you already have what's required to reach your goal (if you have a Glock .45ACP). Just the same, any Glock .45ACP can be easily converted to reliably fire 10mm Auto with nothing more than a barrel swap (Glock OEM or aftermarket), although earlier models should be updated with an LCI extractor for more frequent 10mm use.
In regards to the XDS .40 to 10mm conversion, any use other than range/target shooting is unacceptable if an unfired round cannot be cycled/cleared. Although some accommodations can be made, such as enlarging the ejection port about 1/8", or limiting COAL to 1.150" or less (which would only present an issue with "factory" length 10mm ammo), the inability to clear a jam or squib in a combat situation, even for home defense, is simply unacceptable. There are already more than enough disadvantages stacked against you, and to add a known failure to the equation is irresponsible.
Machine shop called. Nitride barrel could not be cut with their reamer. Too hard. Bummer. Somebody please let me know if you have a source for this. Tnx.
A good machinist should be able to single point the chamber with a carbide bit.