I am looking at the Sig 220-10 and I see that they come in SAO and SA/DA. What are the advantages of each and the negatives.
Tom
The following link provides a good breakdown: http://patheyman.com/choosing-handgun-what-kind-trigger-action-updated/
I just bought the Sig Match Elite in 10 mm Auto; it is SA/DA with a decocker. I have grown up with SA/DA semi autos and have become very comfortable with them. At some point your decision will be based on that with which you are most comfortable. I feel most safe with the SA/DA hammer weapons.
Good luck with your decision.
I have the DA/SA model. But I was already used to that type of action by my P220 .45acp and my P226 9mm.
With SAO
> Hammer has to be pulled manually for first shot
> All shots first thru last have the same trigger pull (weight and travel).
> If a round is chambered and the hammer is back then you should keep the safety engaged to prevent an accidental discharge - I believe this is where the term "cocked and locked" came from.
> I believe the hammer can be lowered (uncocked), but that requires both hands to do it safely - I would defer to someone else is they have the SAO model. You basically grab the hammer and pull the trigger and slowly lower the hammer down
With DA/SA
> Hammer can be manually pulled back for first shot (this provides a light trigger pull - effectively makes it SA) or just pull the trigger (pretty heavy trigger pull) and it will cock and release the hammer when the trigger 'breaks'.
> In DA mode the trigger has a long heavy pull. In SA the trigger has a much lighter and shorter pull (since at this point the trigger is already cocked.
> Round can be chambered and the hammer can be decocked by using the decocker - this is the safe way to render the pistol 'safe' with a chambered round.
> There is no manual safety. The DA trigger pull and what is between your ears is the safety as far as this pistol is concerned. So there is nothing to disengage once you have the pistol in your hands.
Thank you for the replies. I am new to auto pistols but have been shooting revolvers, Contender/Encore and single shots for over 50 yrs. I have the Browning 1911 380 so I am familiar with the SAO. The SA/DA seemed to make more sense to me but I have read reviews where they said that they hated them and would not buy anything that was not SAO. I figured that I must be missing something. I am 71 today and I think that I need a birthday present. The use will be target and hunting. Have either of you seen the Hunt Ready model? I understand that the introduction was put on hold to work out problems with the red dot. I was wondering how the red dot was mounted and if it could be added to the current models.
Tom
Any mount made for the P226, and there are several by Leupold, Burris and others, will fit the slot on the P220 allowing a red dot to be mounted. You have to remove the rear iron sights first, of course. As for the action I've carried with both types and always planned on cocking the DA/SA before firing it as the long trigger pull on the DA side would work for a target about five feet or less in front of you but otherwise cocking the hammer is the way to go. Thus, in practice, the two types become quite similar in my estimation.
Pro/Con depends on use.
If your use is for defensive carry, then there will be a difference in the trigger pull between 1st and 2nd shot with the DA/SA. SAO is nice and consistent.
Flip side, the first shot SAO is right there. If you are in a tense situation the probability of an un-intentional discharge goes up.
I carry 1911's quite often. A Para was my EDC for years. Not a problem as long as you train for it.
Same goes for DA/SA. Before the 1911 I carried a Tanfoglio Witness DA/SA. Not a problem as long as you train for it.
If your going to use this pistol 'primarily' for hunting, a SAO may be the better choice 'trigger-wise'. Hickock 45 does a nice review of the SIG 220 on Youtube. Personally, I prefer the DA/SA iteration of this pistol. Since, I use my pistols also for a 'personal defense' mission.
I have to believe that this gun has raised a ton of interest in 10mm firearms. I once again searched the Internet for a couple hours tonight for the DA/SA version (SKU 220R510RTASMSE) and no one has them in stock. There are not even any on Gunbroker. But I'll find one soon to add to the collection.
I just checked and the Cabela's in Fort Mill SC has at least one.
Maybe another Cabela's - if that is an option for you, not sure of your area - close to you has one.
Unfortunately there are no Cabela's in Florida.
Quote from: PCFlorida on January 03 2016 07:01:58 PM MST
I have to believe that this gun has raised a ton of interest in 10mm firearms. I once again searched the Internet for a couple hours tonight for the DA/SA version (SKU 220R510RTASMSE) and no one has them in stock. There are not even any on Gunbroker. But I'll find one soon to add to the collection.
GB gets them up there. Seems to go in bursts, not sure if a function of Sig production schedule or demand (like now could be a holiday thing). But, you can normally find them in the $1200 range when they are up there. Cabela's locally has normally had it in at $1299. Be patient, one will find its way on GB before (too) long.
There is one at a gunstore near me for 1179 in NIB. Black Nitron SAO.
Quote from: sqlbullet on January 04 2016 07:16:44 AM MST
There is one at a gunstore near me for 1179 in NIB. Black Nitron SAO.
I think he was looking for the SA/DA version, which is about $100 more expensive normally and harder to find.
How does the red dot attach? Is it a rail mount or slide mount?
Tom
Yes, I am looking for the SA/DA version. Before I made my mind up to buy one there were a number of them on GB, Tombstone and Bud's. A week later they were all gone :(
Here is a review of the SIG 220 in the 'Hunter' guise. Superb!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kam7X1ynYHE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kam7X1ynYHE)
Quote from: PCFlorida on January 04 2016 06:32:05 PM MST
Yes, I am looking for the SA/DA version. Before I made my mind up to buy one there were a number of them on GB, Tombstone and Bud's. A week later they were all gone :(
I've yet to see one on Bud's, but don't look there regularly. I do look regularly on GB. The holidays probably purchased them all. Be patient. They'll be back. Before Obama can stop the sale.
There was one tonight on GB, I jumped on it, should have it in a week or less. Range report afterwards :)
So I picked up the Sig on Saturday, but likely won't have a chance to shoot it until next weekend. In the meantime:
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I have to say this is even nicer than I had thought it was. It is heavy but extremely well made. I'm really looking forward to shooting it.
You will enjoy it, 600 rounds and not a problem
Thanks, I'm really looking forward to shooting it this week, it should be a hoot.
Quote from: PCFlorida on January 19 2016 03:12:42 AM MST
Thanks, I'm really looking forward to shooting it this week, it should be a hoot.
I want.
So our local range is undergoing construction for drainage and that won't be finished until the end of the month, and in addition it is damn cold and windy for Florida today. So I put a target up in the backyard and put 8 warm 180's downrange. WooHoo, this Sig is going to be fun. A great addition to my 20, 29, DE and RIA. Recoil was moderate but totally manageable and the sights are slightly to the left, but well centered on the vertical axis at 25 yards. A more complete range report in a couple weeks I guess.
Does anyone know what recoil spring they ship with (how many pounds)?
Thanks!
Where ya at in Florida? I keep seeing more 10mm guys in fl. Perhaps we should all meet up at a range some day.
I'm near Lakeland, Polk County
Have had my Sig Match Elite Two-Tone SA/DA since Oct & it may be the most comfortable & accurate pistol that I own. I also have an older Colt Delta & a great Para Elite Hunter long-slide which is phenomenal. I hope that for future 10mm shooters that Remington will offer the E-Hunter, but have no idea as to what their future plans with the Para brand hold...
I hit up Bruce Gray to see if he has any information on the 4.4" model. Sig has gone dead silent on this version. I hope it's not canceled.
In my experience soa only guns almost always have nicer triggers than their da/sa brethren. That being said I'm sure either will serve you quite well. It is a Sig after all.
My Sig and I went shooting today, first time at the range but we have had some trigger time in the yard.
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Quote from: PCFlorida on January 04 2016 02:51:48 AM MST
Unfortunately there are no Cabela's in Florida.
What part of Florida are you in? If in the Eastern Central Florida area Florida Gun Exchange usually has a DA/SA P220 in 10mm in stock, the single action only are hard to come by unless you are looking for the hunter model. FGE is usually the cheapest around and if they aren't they also price match... Even online if the item is in stock.
Central Florida, I did get one off of Gunbroker, hence the post :)
Yeah I was late to the game, my mistake for not reading the entire thread. :-X
I have to stop looking at these SIG's or in going to buy one and my wife won't be thrilled about it, haha.
Quote from: angryGTS on May 22 2016 09:03:16 PM MDT
Yeah I was late to the game, my mistake for not reading the entire thread. :-X
I have to stop looking at these SIG's or in going to buy one and my wife won't be thrilled about it, haha.
Whatever it is that thrills your wife, do that first. Then go buy a Sig. If she still isn't thrilled, repeat. If you don't think that'll work, just buy it for her.
Haha yeah, I gotta wine her and dine her first but I also teased her about a Sig for Father's Day so anything can happen, haha.
Sig just released the first pistol with the romeo 1 red dot. I asked them about the real hunt ready with the red dot.
They responded that the P320rx will be shipping very soon, but that the 10mm is too much recoil for the Romeo 1. According to the message, they are going to try and get it ready for the 10mm. However they did not sound very confident at all. I get the impression that they are abandoning the 10mm romeo hunt ready, and releasing the romeo 1 as is.
Food for thought for anyone who was considering a romeo 1 for a Glock 40...not strong enough for this application at this time.