http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/264503-report-obama-gun-actions-expected-next-week
Citing gun-industry insiders and other sources, Politico reported one proposal would classify more gun sellers as high-volume dealers. Proponents say that would close a legal loophole, which allows many sales conducted online or at gun shows to skirt existing background check provisions.
Another would make stricter rules for reporting guns that are lost or stolen.
More FUD to fuel a fire.
A "high volume dealer" as they put it is someone who sells lots of guns online. And then they conclude that if the person doesn't have an FFL, the sales occur without a background check.
I seriously want these guys to BUY a gun online and report about how well that goes.
I think they could make it to where the distributor could only to sell to those that have a FFL and end it totaly.
I am against this, but have no problem with reporting lost or stolen guns.
That's how they make it appealing with the lost and stolen guns part.
Concur Sgt, this is a fight the Democrats want. How can anyone be against reporting a stolen or lost gun. Democrats also win the background check fight with 90% of the public supporting it.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/211321-poll-most-gun-owners-support-universal-background-checks
If Hillary wins and stacks the courts. The courts will switch course and begin to hold the firearm makers liable for injuries and deaths. This is the plan, not touch the 2nd but make firearms expensive.
Kinda like how NYC used gentrification to push all the poor out and bring in nothing but the rich. There was a fill in host for Rush the other day. And he said that the Democrats recognized that they would lose the House when they passed Obamacare. He contrasted how the Republicans folded with the budget and noted that the liberals always get what they want as they fight for the future.
If we want to fight for the future, we can't give ground on the 2nd A. Allowing yourself to be convinced otherwise is a losing compromise.
Last 10 months in office, everything is calculated. Constitution means nothing.
IMO whatever new rules crafted out of thin air via fiat will be quickly challenged and initially stayed in court to be battled over later. Not much time remaining, POLITICAL liability for overreach and smack down by courts greatly reduced. Any power clearly within his authority would have been excercised well before now.
This don't have a damn thing to do with background checks (anymore than Benghazi had to do with a YouTube video).... Name the last notable shooting perpetrated by individual who purchased firearm without a background check being run....
Battle over reporting lost or stolen guns?
Oh boy Democrats will love to see that happen.
The battle has to be made clear and concise.
Whats the battle? Fighting to not report a loss or stolen gun? Obama would not be doing this if he thought it would hurt Hillary.
We don't know exactly what it is yet.
But, you have to make clear what you're battling. Is it reporting list/stolen guns or expanded bgc's?
I have no problem with reporting lost or stolen guns. I believe we should negotiate background checks for national reciprocity.
And suppressors and SBR's off the NFA. And new tax stamps for full-auto.
Quote from: Wolfie on January 01 2016 11:46:56 AM MST
I believe we should negotiate background checks for national reciprocity.
I disagree. I wouldn't infringe a right on purpose.
National reciprocity shouldn't be a federal thing anyway.
Can't wait until the White House is devoid of the worst most destructive, Un American POTUS ever!
BTW, none of my guns killed anyone last year or the many many years before...I hope that 2016 they are not needed either!
I have a fire extinguisher for the same reasons...
Politics is a game of compromise. Our rights are already infringed, and our ideals lay hemorrhaging in the road.
Shrewdly negotiating something they want (national background checks) for in exchange for things we want (no national registry growing as a result of said BG checks, national reciprocity, supressors and SBR's off the NFA and new stamps for full auto) makes sense for gun owners. Yes, we give up a 1 piece of the pie. But we get 5 back.
If I lost $100 and was offered $80 back for a $20 reward, I would do it. Yes, the right thing would be for the finder to just return my stuff. But I would rather be out $20 than $100.
Your dream deal with the NFA abolished won't happen.... not with Obama or any dem.
You miss my point.
If we just say "No" we are the evil bad guys who won't protect the children.
If, on the other hand, we say yes, and while we are at it lets fix some other things that are a huge waste of LE time and tax payer money, and they say "No", then they are the evil bad guys who won't protect the children.
No, I did not miss your point.
If B'HO would take a minute out of his busy Golf Day, he might realize that the Cities with the toughest Gun Laws, have the worst Gun Crime
New York, Detroit, DC, Baltimore and (his own beloved) Chicago top this list
If the Gun related deaths, from these few Cities were subtracted from the Nations Stats, than the US would be in the bottom 5% of the entire Worlds Gun Related Deaths
You gotta love "Selective Blindness" ! ! !
1. Bush played more golf than Obama.
2. Gun deaths in NYC are due to guns being bought down south and moved up north via proxies with no background checks. Most NYPD gun deaths are this route.
You guys don't get it. Hillary is way worse for us on guns. Obama is a pragmatist and will work to get something done. Once Hillary gets in, she needs just one more Democrat judge and its all over for us.
Mark it down, progressives never lose. Conservatives talk a good game to get elected, but once in its all for the rich. The time is ticking, lets not be left holding a empty pizza box.
Quote from: sqlbullet on January 01 2016 03:13:05 PM MST
.... (national background checks) for in exchange for things we want (no national registry growing as a result of said BG checks)...
Once that "national background check" has been initiated those digital records are forever no matter what the legislation states. Say NO to Registration (Universal Background Checks). Hold tight - the public is wising up. Generation X wants to know more about guns and shooting and self defense. The majority of the public is against more gun laws.
Quote from: Wolfie on January 01 2016 06:49:42 PM MST
1. Bush played more golf than Obama.
2. Gun deaths in NYC are due to guns being bought down south and moved up north via proxies with no background checks. Most NYPD gun deaths are this route.
You guys don't get it. Hillary is way worse for us on guns. Obama is a pragmatist and will work to get something done. Once Hillary gets in, she needs just one more Democrat judge and its all over for us.
Mark it down, progressives never lose. Conservatives talk a good game to get elected, but once in its all for the rich. The time is ticking, lets not be left holding a empty pizza box.
Spot on...most gun homicides are committed by people that are breaking the law, and passing new laws will not stop them and only impact the law-abiding. The hard drugs which are the root of most large city gun homicides are illegal, yet they continue to be available to all who desire them....and drugs are a consumable, while an illegal gun can be used repeatedly.
Your rhetoric is really old. Obama is from one of the most violent cities in the nation, yet continues to push policies which do nothing to address the root cause of that violence. Chicago politicians blame Indiana guns for their crimes, but it's really the socioeconomic issues of their own city. Shut down Indiana, criminals will find another source, they always do. If they can import cocaine from Columbia they can get guns from anywhere.
Don't confuse motion for action. The only thing worse than a politician who won't take action is one who takes the wrong actions simply to give the impression that they are doing something....while impacting innocent, law-abiding citizens while doing nothing to address the root problem.
Its not against the law in the south to buy a gun and then sell it to someone else without a background check. That person then sells the gun with no trail. I do not understand what the big deal is. Everyone here that buys a gun from a store does a federal NICS check. That gun is attached to you already.
As for Obama he is not even from Chicago, he is from Hawaii via Kansas and chose Chicago as Hillary was already in NY. (Shopping for a seat)
Don't confuse motion for action? You got that right, I know when people make promises and dont keep them I dont support them anymore. I learned that many years ago.
Just think all that spending talk for the last 7 years, the Tea Party and all that was wiped away for the right to sell oil overseas.
Sold out for the rich, but hey keep getting those NRA alerts.
Bush played golf 24 times in 8 years!
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/linksman-obama-tops-bush-in-golf-rounds-244-24/article/2570184
I stand corrected on the golf, now watch me hit this ball.
Quote from: 10-4 on January 01 2016 06:54:24 PM MST
Quote from: sqlbullet on January 01 2016 03:13:05 PM MST
.... (national background checks) for in exchange for things we want (no national registry growing as a result of said BG checks)...
Once that "national background check" has been initiated those digital records are forever no matter what the legislation states. Say NO to Registration (Universal Background Checks). Hold tight - the public is wising up. Generation X wants to know more about guns and shooting and self defense. The majority of the public is against more gun laws.
One way encrypt the record client side before the fed gets it. Then the record exists and can prove the check took place without providing any information about ownership.
It doesn't have to be registration.
Quote from: The_Shadow on January 01 2016 02:34:43 PM MST
Can't wait until the White House is devoid of the worst most destructive, Un American POTUS ever!
BTW, none of my guns killed anyone last year or the many many years before...I hope that 2016 they are not needed either!
I have a fire extinguisher for the same reasons...
Unfortunately, it's looking like the next one may be worse. We need to get away from the two party crap and elect a real president.
She will be way more of a problem for us than Obama. The time to deal is now, push that House bill for national reciprocity now and cut a deal.
When she gets in and it is looking good for her, we will be doomed after 8 years of her and 2-3 more liberal US Supreme Court justices.
Chicago (chi-raq) has tough gun laws compared to most cities. Assault weapons are banned in some suburbs, 10 round magazine maximum, and yet it has extremely high gun violence numbers.
Tougher buyer /seller / traceability laws will not work. Criminals will continue to buy and sell firearms illegally. If you make a desired object harder to obtain, you increase it's cost. Increasing its cost provides the seller, with a greater profit. Increase profits, will promote more people to sell illegally.
Any form of gun contol only affect law abiding citizens.
Let's look at our current drug war. The US has not and cannot, irradiate illegal drugs in this country. The greater number of drug laws, the greater the risk is on the drug dealer, who interns increases his profits, thus seducing more people into the drug industry. The only victim is the non drug using citizen.
Shall be infringed, means no changes, restrictions, or amendment to our right to bear arms. Did restricting felons from owning guns, really remove firearms from their hands, or create a black market for it.
Does NFA laws truly prevent criminals from using vertical handgrips on pistols, taping a coke bottle to a barrel, or adjusting sears in semi rifles? No!!!!!
Gun laws of any kind, any nature, only affect law abiding citizens. It's their intention to disarm you.
Quote from: Wolfie on January 01 2016 10:36:43 AM MST
Battle over reporting lost or stolen guns?
Oh boy Democrats will love to see that happen.
One sentence of this article is related to reporting lost or stolen guns. No doubt that's a great diversion they've formulated. The game being played is re: background checks.
Quote from: Wolfie on January 01 2016 06:49:42 PM MST
You guys don't get it. Hillary is way worse for us on guns. Obama is a narcissist and will force another EO upon us to get something done. Once Hillary gets in, she needs just one more Democrat judge and its all over for us.
Fixed it for you. Pragmitist?!? Yeah... right. Seriously?! What a freakin' apologist!
Will be interested to see if you vote (D) or (R) then. I'm guessing you're going to reply with you're voting for Webb as an (I). That's a cop-out. At the end of the day no (I) will be elected in 2016. I could give 2 sh#ts less about anything else other than the 2A in 2016. One issue voter this time around. Discount the "shall not be infringed" crowd if you will, however, alot of folks like me are just as energized.
Quote from: sqlbullet on January 01 2016 03:13:05 PM MST
If I lost $100 and was offered $80 back for a $20 reward, I would do it. Yes, the right thing would be for the finder to just return my stuff. But I would rather be out $20 than $100.
Wow..... just wow!
SMH.......
In my opinion it doesn't matter what any of them say right now. They ALL say whatever they need to say to get elected, and then they do as they wish. Again, in my opinion it all comes down to the Supreme Court - the next confirmation will decide the direction this country takes for the remainder of our life. We must get a true Conservative in the White House and maintain a majority in the House and Senate. The Constitution, as written, is what matters.
Quote from: Wolfie on January 01 2016 06:49:42 PM MST
1. Bush played more golf than Obama.
2. Gun deaths in NYC are due to guns being bought down south and moved up north via proxies with no background checks. Most NYPD gun deaths are this route.
You debate like a liberal.
1. Throw something out there whether or not true. Make people disprove you.
2. No, they are due to criminals.
Your east coast bias is sad. Don't try to force everyone else to live under the same gulag rules you follow.
Man Rich I guess you do not watch FOX News or listen to Rush. Because I do and I intertwine that style of debating into the issue.
I am a real conservative, pro life, gun, family values, national security and police. I used to be Republican ever since I could vote under Reagan. But The Republicans failed to protect us, blew out the economy and let gay marriage happen.
My voting issues at the presidential level are economic and foreign policy. Thats whats most important to me. And the Democrats win on both counts.
You're right. I've seen about 3 hours of Fox News in the last 15 years. I have directv and don't even know what channel it is.
Rich you need to do the following. Join your local/county Republican committee. This way you will have direct access to them. Force them not only to prevent more gun laws from happening, push them to expand gun rights or change those electeds out for those that will.
Trusting them to do the right thing is a very bad thing.
This is carefully being engineered to make the GOP look bad and an effort to enhance the likelihood of a Democrat remaining in the White House.
Interlace (and I hate to use the term) common sense or logical sounding requirements like reporting lost or stolen guns, that really have no bearing on the 2A right to bear arms, with the ones that will do serious 2A damage, and when the GOP tries to circumvent the Executive Order, the Dems will cry foul hiding behind the "benign" provisions asking why the GOP is against the reporting of stolen guns.
To many voters that only go by the liberal News media snippets, that will sound reasonable and the GOP comes off sounding like a bunch villains.
The GOP needs to be smarter than Obama on how they handle his antics.
I am really anticipating the end of the darkest era in American history; I can only pray that next January marks the beginning of a leadership tenure supportive of the basic principles and freedoms that have historically driven prosperity and international respect.
Quote from: The_Shadow on January 01 2016 02:34:43 PM MST
Can't wait until the White House is devoid of the worst most destructive, Un American POTUS ever!
BTW, none of my guns killed anyone last year or the many many years before...I hope that 2016 they are not needed either!
I have a fire extinguisher for the same reasons...
Yes sir! I concur wholeheartedly!
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/gun-poll-half-say-gun-control-wont-stop-violence-59-dont-trust-feds-on-guns/article/2580384#.VpacFQkocIo.twitter
While Rassmussen Reports is a solid polling company, the article doesn't say who commissioned the poll, what the methodology was or what the question text(s) were. It is likely that the poll was therefore paid for to provide evidence to support a pre-determined conclusion, and the methodology and question text(s) were structured to that end.
We all get these calls all the time. They present a question that has closed answers, none of which match with our actual feelings.
I would like to believe this poll was on the up and up, and I do generally agree that a majority of Americans don't think more gun control laws will stop or slow violence. I do question the 59% number and would really like to know the question text(s) that fed that response rate.