http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/herring-virginia-concealed-carry-reciprocity
Virginia soon will stop recognizing concealed carry permits from the 25 states it had a reciprocity agreement with, Attorney General Mark Herring announced Tuesday.
Herring, a Democrat, said doing away with the agreement could prevent those who are dangerous from carrying a concealed gun, according to The Washington Post. The new policy would prevent Virginia residents who have a history of stalking, drug dealing or inpatient mental-health treatment from obtaining a permit in states with looser laws.
Herring added that the commonwealth's standards for obtaining a handgun will be applied "evenly, consistently, and fairly," as quoted by the Post. The announcement comes after several mass shootings put gun control back in the headlines nationwide. But some conservatives argued the attorney general's announcement was an assault against the Second Amendment.
"He is damaging the integrity of the office he holds," Virginia House Speaker William J. Howell (R) told the newspaper.
The new restrictions will go into place Feb. 1.
Here are the states with which Virginia is breaking its agreement:
Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, North Dakota, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Washington, Wisconsin, Wyoming.
Add yet anther state I will not be visiting for circumventing law abiding peoples rights... :-[
Quote from: Wolfie on December 22 2015 12:36:52 PM MST
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Virginia soon will stop recognizing concealed carry permits from the 25 states it had a reciprocity agreement with, Attorney General Mark Herring announced Tuesday.
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So, does the attorney general make the laws in Virginia?
Attorney Generals do not make law, they interpret and enforce it. This is how he justifies what he did.
"The new policy would prevent Virginia residents who have a history of stalking, drug dealing or inpatient mental-health treatment from obtaining a permit in states with LOOSER laws."
Now instead of going through all the states laws, he gave a blanket statement and shut it down. Now its up to the legislature to move and its going to be tough when the other states do not have the same standards as Virginia. After all how many state legislators are going to justify giving those with a history of stalking, drug dealing or mental problems guns?
Next up will be states taking away Virginia's reciprocity, PA had something like this 10 years ago, don't recall the details.
Well, I picked up MAINE. (We all did) and looks like loosing Virginia.. too bad for me, I am there quite a bit. I acquired a Utah permit as it is honored in many other states...
CW
This will be sorted out in the courts and the liberal dictator AG will be overturned.
Being in NC, north is not a good direction!
It is imperative that at the local level you vote pro gun........more important than ever.
Quote from: Ramjet on December 22 2015 08:26:38 PM MST
It is imperative that at the local level you vote pro gun........more important than ever.
Yep. If they trust me with a gun, I trust them. Liberal, democrat, republican, whatever, are they "pro-gun" 100% of the time and have been for awhile? I'll vote for them.
Quote from: Blades on December 23 2015 09:07:20 AM MST
Liberal, democrat, republican, whatever, are they "pro-gun" 100% of the time and have been for awhile? I'll vote for them.
I don't think it's that simple. If you vote for a Democrat who is personally pro-gun, the fact that he is a Democrat will help install an anti-gun Democrat like Harry Reid in the leadership positions of the senate or house.
Which is why I keep renewing my HR 218 Screw VA
Quote from: Mike_Fontenot on December 23 2015 11:56:14 AM MST
If you vote for a Democrat who is personally pro-gun, the fact that he is a Democrat will help install an anti-gun Democrat like Harry Reid in the leadership positions of the senate or house.
I have some news for you. If it wasn't for Harry blocking anti-gun legislation when the Dems controlled the Senate, it could have been worse. I'm not a fan of Reid, but gun wise, he isn't horrible.
Greg
I heard that Virginia's action was in response to Liberty University's president encouraging its student body to carry.
Quote from: Mike_Fontenot on December 23 2015 11:56:14 AM MST
Quote from: Blades on December 23 2015 09:07:20 AM MST
Liberal, democrat, republican, whatever, are they "pro-gun" 100% of the time and have been for awhile? I'll vote for them.
I don't think it's that simple. If you vote for a Democrat who is personally pro-gun, the fact that he is a Democrat will help install an anti-gun Democrat like Harry Reid in the leadership positions of the senate or house.
Agreed I do not vote for Dems they cannot be trusted.
Missouri lost Virginia a few years ago. I'll never cast a shadow there again.
NYS Republicans gave us gun control in NY.
You do know there is a reason one "side is refereed to as right "wing" and the other left"wing" right? They belong to the same BIRD!
Look at the persons track record. If they agree with your track and HAVE ALIGNED with it, is more important than a "label".
Sure Republicans lean "our" way. But not all of them... and not all dems are bad. LIBERALS now that's a disease...
CW
Has anyone ever tested the CC issue by the following defense?
Constitution of the United States
Article. IV
Section. 2.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
In short, if your citizens are allowed by right or privilege, so does everyone that is a citizen of the other states.
It would seem to be impossible to enforce their exclusion of the privilege their own citizens enjoy. The right of self defense shouldn't be denied to anyone, especially if their citizens have the right.
Greg
Different states have different standards. In NYS you can get a full carry without even ever having taken a gun course. (Got my wife a full carry and she never even picked up a gun) Other states like Texas mandate a gun course.
Gun licenses are not like drivers licenses where there is a set standard. If the VA AG was fair he would have reviewed all the other states and those that were not up to snuff to VA could be taken off the reciprocity list.
Currently there is a national reciprocity bill sitting in Congress. Yet there has been no vote. Why? The president would sign it in exchange for a set national standard and background checks.
But thats not going to happen, one side needs the Wedge Issue to get elected. But just like communism, gay marriage and obamacare. That issue will fade away and we will lose more rights without anything in return.
Quote from: Wolfie on December 24 2015 07:45:25 PM MST
Currently there is a national reciprocity bill sitting in Congress. Yet there has been no vote. Why? The president would sign it in exchange for a set national standard and background checks.
Oooo, "Universal Background Checks" - no thank you. Registration is the first step towards confiscation. They can't confiscate until they know who has what. Universal Background Checks starts the development of an Owner Database. I don't want to ever see that.
Virginia made this change so that the Left could say "we've done something, anything" to reduce gun violence. The recent senate election in VA did not go the way the Left wished, and so the VA AG stepped-in and "did something".
Unfortunately what the AG did was make it less safe for the law abiding while not making the criminal any less dangerous. And it was done right before the holidays so people would talk about it.
Now we'll get to see what the Virginia Senate, NRA, and all the other gun rights organizations can do to correct this travesty.
Quote from: 10-4 on December 25 2015 05:54:06 AM MST
Oooo, "Universal Background Checks" - no thank you. Registration is the first step towards confiscation. They can't confiscate until they know who has what. Universal Background Checks starts the development of an Owner Database. I don't want to ever see that.
I completely agree about registration. But, it doesn't follow that it requires a database. We have had several threads here discussing this, and as a technologist I can tell you it is completely possible to save that record in such a way that you can verify a check occurred, without the government maintaining a registry of who owns what guns. In fact, it doesn't even have to be conducted by an FFL.
See this post: http://10mm-firearms.com/general-discussion/$200-suppressor-tax-stamp/msg51351/#msg51351
And, we need to stop saying "No" when this comes up. We need to start saying, "Absolutely, and here are our terms". Then it will be the gun control crowd that is stonewalling.