It's been well over a year of pondering the next buy. I kicked around another EAA and the only model interesting me was the Xtreme (price that is!). When they rolled out the Xtreme Match last month, it wasn't what they advertised and that's okay because I built my Hunter into the real deal! I found a couple of the CZ's peaking my interest, but not enough to pull the trigger on one. Nothing in Glock or 1911's interested me as well.
So what am I getting?? That's still a little up in the air ;D Here in MD we have an approved list of pistols that are good to go. Once a year they do reviews of submitted firearms for the list (safety features, etc...) I'm actually getting two of them, but one hasn't even been approved by the ATF yet (hint hint). The plan is to get an available and on the list 9mm model polymer to play around with instead of my Wife's XD. Then when the 10mm version gets through the ATF hurdle, I will purchase one and send it into the MSP for review. The whole process will probably put me somewhere in December 2017 to finally take ownership :o
Yup! It's going to be a Grand Power 8) :o
This is what is currently on the approved roster (and I'm not submitting a 9mm for it!)
MANUFACTURER: GRAND POWER
K-100 K100 9mm
K-100, K-100 Dynamic, K-100 Target, K-100 X Trim, X-Calibur, P-1, P-1 Ultra 9mm, .40 S&W, .357 Sig
P 45
P-11
So the research starts tonight for which model to go with!
It's kind of looking like the K100 in 4.25" or 5". The question is the sights and if you can change them out. Does anyone like a scalloped slide?
(http://www.grandpower.eu/img4/5460baea6e29f_22.jpg)
I think they look cool. But not for me. Still a big carry gun and all those edges would snag on draw.
That one would for sure! It's their competition version with all the bells and whistles. I like the Target version which doesn't show up on the radar as being imported here:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/GP_K100_target.jpg)
The P11 they offer would be about the best carry offering they have, but the barrel length is kind of short:
(http://cdn1.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_images/bgprod/7-GPP11.jpg)
So right now the standard K100 4.25" looks like me with the three dot sights:
(http://www.guncenter.cz/img/zbrane/K100.jpg)
If the sights don't work for me I can change to red/green fiber sights available on Eagle's sight. I'm wondering when we will see the full line of parts show up, because in researching the X-Calibur comes with extended safeties plus the extra low profile like the standard models. They also have threaded barrels, 20-26 round magazines (on the site now), holsters and a decocker that might be a swappable piece.
I shared this with The Shadow the other day showing the support and parts that make these up. Great read with some very good pictures!
http://arizonashooting.com/v3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=209191
Quote from: sqlbullet on November 07 2015 08:36:25 PM MST
I think they look cool. But not for me. Still a big carry gun and all those edges would snag on draw.
What's your take on that step they employ in the barrel (in the link)? The support looks better than just about anything I have put in my picture archive. Do you see the step that looks to appear on the brass as an issue? Possibly reloading or something?
Intercooler, the 9mm should be a neat pistol and the design should hande +P stuff well by its design and full 360 chamber support. Non tilting barrel so not the typical feed ramp either...
The rotating barrel system is what I like most as it doesn't tilt downward like most others. This helps to maintain sight picture as recoil is more straight back in to the hand and it has a low bore axis that also adds to the system.
I am interested in the 10mm version, just that it hasn't been imported as of yet. Parts would be my next concern, so too magazine capacity and availability. If the 10's are imported you would want to gather up the magazines any any replacement parts as soon as possible, incase it becomes a short lived import item. :-[
Henning is going to make some parts and he told me CZ base pads fit ;D
Will the chamber step create any issues?
Maryland finally did away with the spent shell casing just in time!
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/08/maryland-ends-ballistic-fingerprinting-database-15-years-5-million-no-crimes-solved/
Now if we can get the same logic applied to the TSA and DHS, that would be great.
Just went to be fingerprinted. Next step is placing the order!
The waiting game begins!
It ended up being $505 through Kentucky Gun Company.
I guess to compare...
G19 = $499
XD = $399
Witness = $320
Quote from: Intercooler on November 11 2015 04:18:26 PM MST
The waiting game begins!
It ended up being $505 through Kentucky Gun Company.
I guess to compare...
G19 = $499
XD = $399
Witness = $320
Maryland is brutal. Slightly better than NJ I guess. Glad I don't live in either.
What is the capacity on that thing? I have a 9mm for my large capacity choice, 16+1. CZ. A very fun firearm.
Gotta love the mountain west.
Fill out a form 4473 and wait 5 minutes.
15+1 capacity
I received the tracker today and it will be at the FFL on Monday. I'm happy Kentucky Gun Co. will still ship the magazines to another State for you!
They have a 26 round magazine for it as well. I will have to pick one of those up ;D
Dawson is making some night and fiber sights for the GP:
https://dawsonprecision.com/sights/grand-power-sights/
I got a call this evening that it's in. Since it will be in jail for probably a month, I'm going tomorrow or Thursday to check it out and take some pictures.
Heavy pictures coming. I went today to spend some time with it ;D
Magazines look much like Witness pieces except for the catch square in the front of the magazine. My guess is these are Mec-Gar and possibly Witness pieces can be adapted. I will know more later when I try some things.
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/12249990_959962910708408_9201663537894482930_n.jpg?oh=fc8a40fbb25b5fdf6fb3dc9d35534d66&oe=56F51729)
Pistol
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(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/12274714_960048237366542_3239825532162492006_n.jpg?oh=47398621949ee441f69bf7e66b3be692&oe=56EA73A6)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11219012_960048274033205_8257093706631369977_n.jpg?oh=1a2cb951f2bcdc47f48094e9ed6101a9&oe=56B60886)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/12234943_960048260699873_8133950831367225209_n.jpg?oh=1ad981ffa044b7306add0c3c83c0e76a&oe=56B7CE66)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/12279152_960048294033203_1753680089964813194_n.jpg?oh=d5f7c8baf72aab70e93ebc9ff34deba9&oe=56E8F893)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12241500_960048320699867_2779344220690814162_n.jpg?oh=df48822d8c1cd174587354ee87f709ea&oe=56EA9F83)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/r270/12243494_960048350699864_802920066626555799_n.jpg?oh=dc6d57877d7fa2c165e16e790bb9cbdc&oe=56F915D5)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/12243413_960048387366527_1362815716615463883_n.jpg?oh=c823fba5831ebd1f601efee9bb1be74f&oe=56B318A9)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlf1/v/t1.0-9/12239887_960048417366524_1284463597681047750_n.jpg?oh=553ef5b2758e192d6e83e04fda4534a6&oe=56AD6F2F)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/r90/12239752_960048430699856_804501524421445459_n.jpg?oh=510524d62b1ff77ea66f0ceb3621245f&oe=56B0EAFF)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/12250164_960048444033188_38509871065423476_n.jpg?oh=c157e85b7b10483c3bdd7b258b35e6af&oe=56EAC0D7)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/12219367_960048470699852_315668055922359102_n.jpg?oh=06079932c7c581658ce560fa9ee9b67d&oe=56EBBA1A)
Nifty.
The pictures I'm sure still aren't doing it justice. I'm not impressed easily in guns... this one does! It got a shocking reaction in the shop that is processing it for me. So much so that they pulled out a trigger-pull gauge after eyeball engineering it and testing the trigger out. They all were pretty shocked in how well thought out and put together this thing is! My initial thoughts so far:
- I wasn't real impressed with how the trigger pull was being done, but we measured 10lbs and 4.25lbs in SA. Pretty much everyone that tried it was impressed with the break, reset, etc... of the trigger. It's close in feel to my Witness Limited Pro the best I can tell without having it here to compare. I think the XCalibur trigger might be to light in SA for my liking.
- Everyone commented how smoothe the slide and feel was in operation.
- I actually like the sights as-is and especially the rear how it's rounded and shielded. I guess we will see when I actually shoot it.
- The finish and machining are outstanding! Hopefully some of that shows in the pictures. Many there commented on that.
- Just like other pictures we have seen, the brass looks like it's going to sink down in that chamber nicely.
- It feels and looks like all the sharp edges have been addressed.
- One possible negative (for me) is the smallish safeties. I will put a video to another reviewer who seemed to think the same (DocTacDad). I'm sure I could change to the XCalibur extended pieces or wait on Henning. Not a deal breaker!
- The slide serrations are about perfect in protrusion. You have enough there to do your thing, but not excessive meat.
- It has a plastic guide rod piece, but I know that can be changed if wanted. I know others have changed to a Steel piece that probably comes from another model. I will have to try it and see if that is warranted.
- The grip is really really really like a Witness. I think that was what really caught my eye in the beginning going for one.
This has really put the 10mm version at the top of the must buy list. I just can't figure out whether I need the 5" version or get one like this 9mm in the 4.25" version. :)
Here is DocTacDad's review with some talk on the safeties.
Many of the points I agree with and probably best review on the GP.
GP vs EAA K9 magazine
The GP is smaller front to back like a small frame. Perhaps they would fit? The release notch would still have to be cut in though.
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12278627_960111210693578_3752957501131500184_n.jpg?oh=d62cf69d2d4ae6685b83d3aa155fc266&oe=56B96041)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/12250041_960111234026909_4687623316925849645_n.jpg?oh=d87641f2139c9863dbf14fc2abfbaa51&oe=56EBF4B0)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/12239718_960111260693573_4995665493362838697_n.jpg?oh=466dbafe80f791a9999e47382b8bc2ce&oe=56B28D87)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12191652_960111247360241_8061887883679216394_n.jpg?oh=89c873f5b292b78d5e4773d7a32e5c9e&oe=56AFB797)
Quote from: Intercooler on November 12 2015 04:51:26 PM MST
They have a 26 round magazine for it as well. I will have to pick one of those up ;D
https://grandpower.eagleimportsinc.com/grandpower/shop/magazines
i thought eaa was bad.....
Yea. I will have to wait on a deal or sale on magazines!
That is unless we can find a working replacement from another MFG (CZ/EAA/Beretta).
My HQL is just sitting there incomplete. I'm chomping at the bit and decided to email the MSP-HQL.
These checks and the process shouldn't take this long for an exempt application. I already have an arsenal of said HQL pieces ;D
Quote from: Intercooler on November 24 2015 08:00:51 PM MST
My HQL is just sitting there incomplete. I'm chomping at the bit and decided to email the MSP-HQL.
These checks and the process shouldn't take this long for an exempt application. I already have an arsenal of said HQL pieces ;D
Time to move. Actually, been time to move ;).
We have Hogan and he's trying to work on things. It's easier to run, but sometimes better to fight.
They responded saying they have 30 days. Good to get a response and they're on the clock!
They finally completed my HQL today and I have a valid number until 2025. ;D
Quote from: Intercooler on December 03 2015 02:56:35 PM MST
They finally completed my HQL today and I have a valid number until 2025. ;D
Does that include the identifying tattoo?
11 checks... juvenile, fingerprints, MVA... pretty much everything!
I'm getting some knee-jerk reactions about my proposed first range trip starting light and working up to Underwood +P+. I can't find anyone that has tried it and was told any Kaboom would be ammo supplier responsibility.
That would surely mean barrel. Would we be talking support or not holding 50k PSI?