I've owned or own all kinds of 10mm's. Colt Delta Elite. S&W 1006 & 1076. Multiple Witness pistols. Wyoming Arms Parker. S&W 610.
But the one I've never contemplated was Glock. I guess my biggest issue has been that I've always had handguns with a hammer and safety. The idea of striker fired with no active safety mechanism made me nervous. Then I moved to Florida. It's so hot and humid that I couldn't wear coats or jackets, so my big hand cannon 10mm's have stayed in the safe for the last year and a half. Even my .357 revolvers don't conceal well enough under a T-shirt. So I've been carrying .380 Ruger LCP or a Taurus TCP. Like a Glock, no active safety. But I feel undergunned. I want to carry a 10mm.
So, I have the money in the bank. I'm highly considering a Glock 29 Gen 4.
Convince me.
I have bought and sold many guns, friends say i have severe firearm adhd.. my glock 20 will probably be buried with me. I love that chunky block.
Mines stock except for some very minor tweaking and truglo night sights. Oh, and some talon rubberized grip tape. Liked it so much i bought a little brother for it, a 23 with the same mods.
I bought the G30 sf when I got my CCL. I reload and have Owned an early G21 since the early Ninties.
So the G30 made sense. I recently sold my old G21 and replaced it with a Gen4 G41. I stay with the 45 caliber Glocks due to their superior accuracy.
I'm also a 1911 fan and bought a custom Dan Wesson Silverback in 10mm.
Wow. What an awesome round. Next I bought a G20 upper for the G41 frame and then I bought a Storm Lake 10mm conversion barrel for my 30sf.
Bottom line is my Glock 30sf with a 10mm barrel is now in my EDC rotation along with a 1911 Les Baer Commanche and a Ruger LCR.
My advice is to buy a Gen 4 G30 then buy a 10mm conversion barrel and have the best of both worlds.
Why. Cause you can't convert a 29 to 45acp without buying a complete upper assembly.
But if you choose to go with a G29 you will be both well armed and happy man.
What would you guys say is a good price? They're going for about $550-$575 on Gunbroker, then you have to pay shipping and FFL fee. So looking at over $600 there. Local gun store has one for $621.54 NIB out the door.
I think mine was stickered at 700 (lightly used, 3 months old) but it had the tru glos on it and had a .40 conversion barrel. I traded a rifle i had 300 in plus i think $75 for it. I sold the other barrel for 100 a few weeks later.
I think I'll jump on it. I have the money. Better to get it now I suppose.
Glock pistols are ugly.
Glock pistols are cheap plastic.
Glock pistols have no "bling" quality to them.
Glock pistols have oversize, sloppy chambers.
Glock pistols have fat grips, not friendly with small hands.
Glock pistols have no externally switched safety.
Bulldogs are ugly. (except when they're puppies)
Glock pistols are cheap. (compared to a similarly reliable 1911 at 2-4x the price)
Glock pistols are plain, ergonomic, with minimal snag-points.
Glock pistols will chamber almost any correct caliber ammo, in almost any condition.
Glock pistols have high capacity magazines inside the fat grips, and small hands can actually fire them, accurately and reliably. My wife has tiny (tiny!) hands and hates shooting them, but she can, and does. Her CZ-83 is huge to her, but she loves it.
Glock pistols have no externally switched safeties that may fail, be forgotten (during extreme stress), or be hindered by obstruction or interference.
I hate Glock pistols, really. Every last one of the several I have. If/when the SHTF, I'll have at least one within immediate reach.
Versatility. You can't beat Glock pistols. With a single initial caliber platform, you can (safely and reliably) chamber and shoot multiple calibers, either by simply loading another caliber (such as .40SW in any 10mm), or with inexpensive drop-in barrels (no gunsmith required), and appropriate magazines in some cases. Finding a drop-in (not so inexpensive) barrel for a 1911 that actually drops-in, is like shooting craps, so to speak (some do, but it's the exception, not the rule).
Did I say they were ugly? Well, they are. So much so, that if I were involved in a SD situation and it was taken as evidence, I wouldn't miss it like I would the fancy "others". If I never see it again, I won't be out much. I CCW Glock pistols in complete stock form, with nothing invested but trigger time.
Quote from: Patriot on November 01 2015 07:15:36 PM MST
I think I'll jump on it. I have the money. Better to get it now I suppose.
You sound convinced😎
Quote from: DM1906 on November 01 2015 07:55:09 PM MST
Glock pistols are ugly.
Glock pistols are cheap plastic.
Glock pistols have no "bling" quality to them.
Glock pistols have oversize, sloppy chambers.
Glock pistols have fat grips, not friendly with small hands.
Glock pistols have no externally switched safety.
Bulldogs are ugly. (except when they're puppies)
Glock pistols are cheap. (compared to a similarly reliable 1911 at 2-4x the price)
Glock pistols are plain, ergonomic, with minimal snag-points.
Glock pistols will chamber almost any correct caliber ammo, in almost any condition.
Glock pistols have high capacity magazines inside the fat grips, and small hands can actually fire them, accurately and reliably. My wife has tiny (tiny!) hands and hates shooting them, but she can, and does. Her CZ-83 is huge to her, but she loves it.
Glock pistols have no externally switched safeties that may fail, be forgotten (during extreme stress), or be hindered by obstruction or interference.
I hate Glock pistols, really. Every last one of the several I have. If/when the SHTF, I'll have at least one within immediate reach.
Versatility. You can't beat Glock pistols. With a single initial caliber platform, you can (safely and reliably) chamber and shoot multiple calibers, either by simply loading another caliber (such as .40SW in any 10mm), or with inexpensive drop-in barrels (no gunsmith required), and appropriate magazines in some cases. Finding a drop-in (not so inexpensive) barrel for a 1911 that actually drops-in, is like shooting craps, so to speak (some do, but it's the exception, not the rule).
Did I say they were ugly? Well, they are. So much so, that if I were involved in a SD situation and it was taken as evidence, I wouldn't miss it like I would the fancy "others". If I never see it again, I won't be out much. I CCW Glock pistols in complete stock form, with nothing invested but trigger time.
Excellent.
Well I bought it. Paid online and I'll pick it up tomorrow or Tuesday.
I went through some of the Glock 29 threads and it seems people really like them.
Glocks are like no frills tools.... not necessarily pretty, but work all the time.
Patriot, Congrats and welcome to the Plastic Fantastic Tupperware world of Glock.
You will want to add the Pearce +0 base pad which gives a place for the pinky finger and more control. The G-20 15 round mags will also work in the G-29.
Here is what mine looks like with the 15 round G-20 and Grip sleeve.
(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j441/_The_Shadow/IMG_0398.jpg)
Mine gets the nod for the holster quite often. LIke you I prefer guns with "doo-dads"; safeties, hammers, etc. But the Glock is a solid platform that conceals easily, is lightweight for its capacity and power, and is relatively inexpensive for a serviceable gun.
I got my Glock 29 via the local classifieds for $400. Came with two 10-rd mags and 1 fifteen round. The 10-rd mags both had +2 extensions, as well as the original base plates. But that was several years ago.
Quote from: DM1906 on November 01 2015 07:55:09 PM MST
Glock pistols are ugly.
Glock pistols are cheap plastic.
Glock pistols have no "bling" quality to them.
Glock pistols have oversize, sloppy chambers.
Glock pistols have fat grips, not friendly with small hands.
Glock pistols have no externally switched safety.
Bulldogs are ugly. (except when they're puppies)
Glock pistols are cheap. (compared to a similarly reliable 1911 at 2-4x the price)
Glock pistols are plain, ergonomic, with minimal snag-points.
Glock pistols will chamber almost any correct caliber ammo, in almost any condition.
Glock pistols have high capacity magazines inside the fat grips, and small hands can actually fire them, accurately and reliably. My wife has tiny (tiny!) hands and hates shooting them, but she can, and does. Her CZ-83 is huge to her, but she loves it.
Glock pistols have no externally switched safeties that may fail, be forgotten (during extreme stress), or be hindered by obstruction or interference.
I hate Glock pistols, really. Every last one of the several I have. If/when the SHTF, I'll have at least one within immediate reach.
Versatility. You can't beat Glock pistols. With a single initial caliber platform, you can (safely and reliably) chamber and shoot multiple calibers, either by simply loading another caliber (such as .40SW in any 10mm), or with inexpensive drop-in barrels (no gunsmith required), and appropriate magazines in some cases. Finding a drop-in (not so inexpensive) barrel for a 1911 that actually drops-in, is like shooting craps, so to speak (some do, but it's the exception, not the rule).
Did I say they were ugly? Well, they are. So much so, that if I were involved in a SD situation and it was taken as evidence, I wouldn't miss it like I would the fancy "others". If I never see it again, I won't be out much. I CCW Glock pistols in complete stock form, with nothing invested but trigger time.
^ Hilariously funny & accurate!!! :))
You will be well served by your new 29. It conceals fairly easily. Not like an LCP or anything. Lost a little weight lately and it goes IWB quite easily now.
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You know!! PPE and all :o ;D ;D
Well done!
Congratulations on your Glock 29. Great little guns.
Congratulations! I've heard nothing but good things from the people that own them. I think eventually my gen3 Glock 20sf will have a Glock 29 baby brother to play with.
My Gen 4 G29 has been flawless with a surprisingly smooth trigger and clean break. It is stock except for a KKM barrel. It has fed everything I've given it. Accuracy is excellent.
Since I'm new to the Glock world, why do you guys upgrade to KKM or Lone Wolf barrels in a brand new gun? What is the purpose or advantages over the stock barrel?
Quote from: Patriot on November 04 2015 02:29:24 PM MST
Since I'm new to the Glock world, why do you guys upgrade to KKM or Lone Wolf barrels in a brand new gun? What is the purpose or advantages over the stock barrel?
Tighter chamber, better head support, and traditional rifling that doesn't give some people concerns about cast bullets.
I didn't upgrade mine though, and it works fine for me.
Yes, for SQL's reasons. Although I have several barrels for each of my Glocks, the carry weapon, whichever it may be, is always mostly stock. Exceptions would be for combat/night sights and/or tuned RSA. I use the OEM barrels for defensive carry, because the reasons one might not just aren't a factor. I don't carry cast/lead bullets, and don't carry nukes that my blow out (although they are full power). Also, if the brass smiles or flies too far, I don't care. I won't be policing that brass if I have to use it in a SD situation. Other reasons for aftermarket barrels are increased length, porting, and cartridge caliber conversions.
Quote from: DM1906 on November 04 2015 03:30:19 PM MST
Yes, for SQL's reasons. Although I have several barrels for each of my Glocks, the carry weapon, whichever it may be, is always mostly stock. Exceptions would be for combat/night sights and/or tuned RSA. I use the OEM barrels for defensive carry, because the reasons one might not just aren't a factor. I don't carry cast/lead bullets, and don't carry nukes that my blow out (although they are full power). Also, if the brass smiles or flies too far, I don't care. I won't be policing that brass if I have to use it in a SD situation. Other reasons for aftermarket barrels are increased length, porting, and cartridge caliber conversions.
Is there a higher risk of jams with tighter chambers like we see in the Witness pistols or do they feed just as good as a stock Glock barrel?
I've not had any issues that I didn't cause. This through tens of thousands rounds downrange, about 5-6,000 in a single LWD G20 barrel. Fat and/or long handloads can be an issue, but easily corrected. Mainstream factory ammo should never be an issue, except perhaps in a genuine combat situation, with multiple rounds fired in a very dirty environment. That many rounds fired then would mean my rifle is out of reach or out of ammo, in which case, the battle is probably lost, anyway. I carry extra mags, but have yet to hear of any (human) defense situation when more than one was ever needed.
Simply run thru a timed qual course weather NRA qualified or a local timed course. And then see how you do. I ran Underwood thru my off duty course 165's HP, timed mine you, no hiccups. Rock and roll and keep practicing. Only mode was a 22lb spring, period. All stock besides. Gen 3 full size.
Quote from: Patriot on November 04 2015 04:25:50 PM MST
Is there a higher risk of jams with tighter chambers like we see in the Witness pistols or do they feed just as good as a stock Glock barrel?
I haven't seen any hard stats on the subject. Most buyers feel the aftermarket barrel is just as good. But, they are subject to several cognitive biases here that mean their statements can't be taken at face value.
From this article: http://www.alloutdoor.com/2014/09/02/review-kkm-precision-glock-match-drop-barrel/
QuoteI noted with the 9mm barrel used in this build that the KKM barrel would not feed some of my 9mm "turds" (sloppy reloads) where the stock barrel chews through them just fine.
And
QuoteWould I run a KKM barrel in a defensive pistol? Nope. I want even the worst, beat up ammo to work each and every time in a defensive pistol barrel, and I will trade off the precision for reliability.
This leads me to believe that no, they aftermarket barrels trade some reliability for accuracy. So, unless you regularly shoot for beer or shakes, you would be well served to stick with the factory barrel. it is plenty good for "minute of soda can" at 25 yards, and is no additional cost.
Quote from: sqlbullet on November 05 2015 08:14:37 AM MST
Quote from: Patriot on November 04 2015 04:25:50 PM MST
Is there a higher risk of jams with tighter chambers like we see in the Witness pistols or do they feed just as good as a stock Glock barrel?
I haven't seen any hard stats on the subject. Most buyers feel the aftermarket barrel is just as good. But, they are subject to several cognitive biases here that mean their statements can't be taken at face value.
From this article: http://www.alloutdoor.com/2014/09/02/review-kkm-precision-glock-match-drop-barrel/
QuoteI noted with the 9mm barrel used in this build that the KKM barrel would not feed some of my 9mm "turds" (sloppy reloads) where the stock barrel chews through them just fine.
And
QuoteWould I run a KKM barrel in a defensive pistol? Nope. I want even the worst, beat up ammo to work each and every time in a defensive pistol barrel, and I will trade off the precision for reliability.
This leads me to believe that no, they aftermarket barrels trade some reliability for accuracy. So, unless you regularly shoot for beer or shakes, you would be well served to stick with the factory barrel. it is plenty good for "minute of soda can" at 25 yards, and is no additional cost.
That's kind of what I figured. I find that the 10mm brass is exceptionally thick, and I've had many experiences with the lip of the brass where the bullet goes in catching on the mouth of the chamber as the round leaves the magazine, especially in Witness and Delta Elites. The Witness chamber is a flat edge opening. I've been able to eliminate most jams by polishing the chamber entrance to eliminate the sharp edge, thus reducing the snag on the brass lip edge, but not all. A looser chamber opening should allow for more reliable feeding, which is what I'm hoping for with the Glock.
The Glock barrel feed ramp is quite shallow, compared to the typical very steep 1911-type ramp. The magazine-cartridge presentation is also much more favorable with the Glock. I don't see the case mouth interference condition an issue with any Glock. There are just no sharp edges to catch near the feed ramp, and the presentation shouldn't allow a case mouth interference near the upper half of the chamber. The aftermarket barrels may allow this condition to be (more) possible, but I've never seen it with near-correct sized ammo in multiple calibers. The .460 Rowland has the tightest feed geometry, and it chambers without issue, so far.
I picked up the new Glock 29 today. It's much wider than expected. I like the way it feels. The grip size is perfect for my hand. Hopefully I'll get to take it to the range this weekend.
(http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz160/DarkHelmet_01/Mobile%20Uploads/tmp_28128-IMG_20151106_1411121655049845.jpg) (http://s823.photobucket.com/user/DarkHelmet_01/media/Mobile%20Uploads/tmp_28128-IMG_20151106_1411121655049845.jpg.html)
You will love it at the range. Feels like shooting a much heavier gun. I presume that is the poly frame soaking up some recoil, but whatever it is, I can shoot this sub-compact as well as I can shoot most full size guns.
Anyone have any IWB recommendations?
I have a Dara holster for mine because I have a Viridian laser light on it. I had a crossbreed before that and was also excellent
I ordered the Crossbreed Super Tuck and an Alien Gear Cloak Tuck 3.0. I like the reviews on both.
This is the one I use, simple, has two screws to adjust tension for retention and it is one piece of Kydex.
It is secure even when going for restroom breaks it stays in place and at the ready. Using mine with the 29 and the 30.
http://armory.jsholsters.com/shop/item.aspx?itemid=2060 (http://armory.jsholsters.com/shop/item.aspx?itemid=2060)
Quote from: The_Shadow on November 06 2015 07:58:08 PM MST
This is the one I use, simple, has two screws to adjust tension for retention and it is one piece of Kydex.
It is secure even when going for restroom breaks it stays in place and at the ready. Using mine with the 29 and the 30.
http://armory.jsholsters.com/shop/item.aspx?itemid=2060 (http://armory.jsholsters.com/shop/item.aspx?itemid=2060)
Thanks. I just ordered one of those for days where I'm wearing loose, more relaxed type clothes and don't need to worry about printing.
Congrats on the new G29! 8)
Range report if you will..
Quote from: Patriot on November 06 2015 02:10:11 PM MST
Anyone have any IWB recommendations?
I'm using an Advanced Holster Mini Concealment holster for my G29 and G30. I like it since the G29 is a smidgen wide, the Mini Concealment doesn't add a lot of bulk.
http://www.advancedholster.com/
Try it. You may like it.
Congrats Patriot on going Black and Plastic. ;)
I, for years, had several different wheel guns, then went to the plastic guns and soon realized the Glock plastic gun was the platform I rely on. With the exception of a couple of sentimental guns, my carry pistols have been reduced to Glocks. Not that the other firearms were a problem; I wanted to keep things simple; thus I shifted to the Glock plastic. I haven't regretted it yet. Although I still get the yearning for my old Ruger Super Blackhawk. :P
Congrats on the new addition! <thumbsup>
My wife loved shooting my Glock 29 so much we went out to Bass Pro last night to get her one of her own. She really liked the Glock 43. They were $519 so we decided to shop around.
Guess what I just won on gunbroker for $361?
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=520206172
Quote from: Patriot on November 10 2015 04:29:37 PM MST
My wife loved shooting my Glock 29 so much we went out to Bass Pro last night to get her one of her own. She really liked the Glock 43. They were $519 so we decided to shop around.
Guess what I just won on gunbroker for $361?
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=520206172
Damn.. good price
Quote from: Patriot on November 10 2015 04:29:37 PM MST
My wife loved shooting my Glock 29 so much we went out to Bass Pro last night to get her one of her own. She really liked the Glock 43. They were $519 so we decided to shop around.
Guess what I just won on gunbroker for $361?
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=520206172
Wow. Excellent deal. Congratulations.
That is a screaming deal.
I handled one yesterday, and it is small and thin. Make a great deep concealment gun.
Quote from: Patriot on November 06 2015 12:34:49 PM MST
I picked up the new Glock 29 today. It's much wider than expected. I like the way it feels. The grip size is perfect for my hand. Hopefully I'll get to take it to the range this weekend.
(http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz160/DarkHelmet_01/Mobile%20Uploads/tmp_28128-IMG_20151106_1411121655049845.jpg) (http://s823.photobucket.com/user/DarkHelmet_01/media/Mobile%20Uploads/tmp_28128-IMG_20151106_1411121655049845.jpg.html)
Very nice......