Something I've been working on the past few months: http://10mm-reloaded.com/ (http://10mm-reloaded.com/)
Mostly because I really enjoy the hobby, and to build a workup baseline for MY gun.
Some loads are below / above book values, some have no published data. What proves safe in MY gun may not in YOURS. Use the information linked in this post at your own risk!
It's also important to note that most loads were NOT tested (Gen 4 G20) with the stock barrel.
43 powders, 78 bullets, 811 loads :)
Thanks. Very good data.
Thank you! The data is well laid out, good job... 8)
Good job, I'm sure it got tedious doing that.
Steve............
Thanks guys!
Tedious? Not really. Once i had defined the spreadsheet format it became as easy as entering new loads, and then reporting reality after each chrono session.
OK, the brass pics are tedious!
Very nice.
Thank you.
Just out of curiosity, are lead bullet and plated bullet velocities close to the same with identical charge wgts?
Quote from: TSP45ACP on October 22 2015 08:40:23 PM MDT
Just out of curiosity, are lead bullet and plated bullet velocities close to the same with identical charge wgts?
Looking through the data at the 176 grain cast compared to the 180 grain plated, the case bullet was faster at a lower powder charge. Makes sense. Lead is included in babbit metal and in many alloys because it smooths operation and machining.
Looked at the chart , but is there one preferred powder to load 135gr HP up to 220gr RN -HP or cast ? And still work with all weights in between ?
I've done rifle loads and usually just just powder charges for said projos....never reloaded pistol before so does it work the same or do you need different powders per weight of slugs ?
There are several that will work, LongShot has been used by many of the Commercial loaders from 125 gr up to 220 gr.
Blue Dot can be used across the spectrum but may not have the highest velocities, but very accurate in my experience.
If you are willing to take the time and hand weigh the IMR800X it will cover the spread quite well.
Accurate Arms AA#7 can cover the full range, but AA#9 runs out at the heavier projectiles.
Power Pistol has worked well but seems to pressure spike up with the heavier bullets, I see the BE-86 as being about the same as the bullet weights get heavy.
CFE Pistol and AutoComp will be usable but these too are faster powders so the heavier bullets don't get the shove for speeds.
Powders like 2400 are slower than Blue Dot and they run out of room being denser.
Unique, Universal and HS-6 can cover a good spectrum for target play.
The faster burning powders like bullseye, Red Dot, Herco, 231/hp38, AA#5 and a host of others can push a bullet for target with very small charges for the yield and make for target play at economical advantages.
Just recently I procured some BE-86 because of its yield across the board, and cartridges, while using less than some of the slower powders as a balance of performance vs. economical yield for a long haul or SHTF future. ???
So far, if I had to pick one, I'd be #7.
I'll look into the Longshot or #7 then !
Like to stay with one powder if at all possible to avoid confusion ......when things got tight here a while back I bought whatever powders I could for my .223. & .308's and wound up with about six different ones .....a pain to reset my powder setup every time I run out and have to swap brands ;D
If I were going to pick one powder, I would pick Blue Dot, followed by Longshot.
Longshot will provide better velocities in 10mm, but Blue Dot has far more applicability in other loads.
sqlbullet, I agree and Blue Dot has always been part of my on hand powders, handgun and shot shells, even as reduced rifle loads. Accuracy and performance for the long haul!
Since BE-86 came out it too has a broad range of cartridges, so I placed it in my on hand supplies for the what if the SHTF.
However any of the powders I listed earlier could be utilized in several cartridges
Agree 100%. Blue Dot has just been around so long, it is hard to find a cartridge that doesn't have some kind of Blue Dot load data. Event for large bottle neck cases there are cast bullet gallery loads and usually Blue Dot is right there.
Longshot was all I could find when powder was very short. I've grown to like it quite a lot. For .45ACP plinking loads, accuracy suffers, but hot loads and as noted 10mm, it's great. Probably I sound like a broken record, but it's my go to powder now (I have too much!!)
Absolutely fantastic dataset. Many thanks for posting this.
One observation I'd like to point out, it's cold where you live.....
Good luck out there this weekend. Certainly looking forward to updates.
Went out today with the rather ambitious goal of testing 88 different loads, got through 49 before I lost the sunlight and the chrono became useless.
Needless to say I've ordered a light kit ;)
Note: Individual string results can be found through the index at the top of AllPowders. And yes, I realize I'm handicapping the results by only loading 3 of each flavor, even more evident as many groups only recorded 1 shot.
Glad to see you use of the powders like Vectan and Lovex added in to the project. I have studied their data but haven't found the powders to test with. So Thanks for detailed work sheets...
Should probably take the position that a bad day shooting is better than a good day at work, but I'm having difficulty adjusting my attitude. Our shooting spot is in a shaded area, and while I've never had an issue with the chrono before, I lost the light around 1pm - or 2/3 through testing. Six hours travel (round trip) tends to set my expectations at maximum. Needless to say I've ordered a light kit.
D032 (Shooter's World Clean Shot D032-03, Explosia Lovex) has no load data for the 10, so I'm approaching things cautiously. Given Exlosia's, and others, comments on how fast this powder is I'll likely not push it. I will comment that I really like the 147 cast 6.5gr load @ 1,240.
Vectan's Ba 7.5 & Ba 9 load numbers are wonky, I'll continue the ladder with hopes of something resembling a 10mm load.
3N37: Viht must have really dumbed things down, as initial factory data produced 9mm results (155gr @ 922fps, 293 ft lbs). I know there's potential, and I'll likely take larger steps to get there.
Until now I was singing only the praises of #7, and I still really like it's capability, but Longshot, Blue Dot, and 800X have decided to show up :)
Finally getting somewhere with #9... Seems like it started coming alive at 11.7, curious to see if the trend continues. Anticipating the 12.0 & 12.3gr numbers, and will load up to 13.5 for the next round.
I know there are bigger #s already out there - "no pressure signs at xx.x, acceptable case expansion at xx.x". I also realize there's little to no new ground to be broken with the 10. I enjoy this process, and in the end I'll have a library of loads that work in MY GUN(s).
Accuracy, it is part of the equation, just not now: Seems backwards to run all these loads, and have no accuracy information, and I concur... But, most 'stock' handgun sights and I don't get along, at all. My TP 9's are terrible, but I'm able to hit an 8" plate at 20yrds 10/10, and 7/10 at 40. I can do NOTHING with the stock Glock sights, nada, zilch. I'm going to look at aftermarket, and could really use some recommendations.
Random: Locking slide, I suspect it's my grip on some of the heavier loads - I'll adjust next time out. Temperature: I'm concerned that as I push loads, and test at lower temps, that perceived 'safe' will become a not-so-much during the summer (85+). To keep testing during the winter months I plan to keep cartridges in a heated cooler (70 degrees?), only taking them out to test. That, with running a hot chamber should-maybe reduce the effects of colder weather on pressures. Same-lot testing #s next summer will tell. I do acknowledge that I'm handicapping the results with such a small sample per test, especially when chrono errors happen. Unfortunately, up until now, it is what it is. The data is still useful, but it certainly could be more refined. Time is the factor here, and I'll either continue as is, increase the sample count / reduce the # of tests, or find more hours in the day. Certainly as development is stopped with some combinations others can get more attention.
Bit of an update ;D
Quote from: Benchrst on November 07 2015 12:39:00 PM MST
Accuracy, it is part of the equation, just not now: Seems backwards to run all these loads, and have no accuracy information, and I concur... But, most 'stock' handgun sights and I don't get along, at all. My TP 9's are terrible, but I'm able to hit an 8" plate at 20yrds 10/10, and 7/10 at 40. I can do NOTHING with the stock Glock sights, nada, zilch. I'm going to look at aftermarket, and could really use some recommendations.
Try these: https://dawsonprecision.com/sights/glock-sights/?search_query=&page=1&limit=100&sort=featured&page_context=category&category=196&is_category_page=1 (https://dawsonprecision.com/sights/glock-sights/?search_query=&page=1&limit=100&sort=featured&page_context=category&category=196&is_category_page=1)
I've been using his fiber optics for years.
Thanks for the recommendation!
Underwood was using some of the Lovex Powders which may be from Shooter's world as well.
He was using the LOVEX D037-01 which is the same by weight as AA#7, even in the 458 SOCOM he was using LOVEX D063-01 which is the same as AA1680...I suppose with the crunch on powders it forced several loaders to change up to these powders.
Seeing how you were wanting to load the 10mm with the stuff similar to AA#2 I'll post this chart from Accurate Arms
(https://s20.postimg.org/jpykrlicr/Accurate_Arms10mm121_zps532817c3.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.org/5wa82jxh7/Accurate_Arms10mm122_zpsaeb8eff2.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.org/6lt0ex5qj/Accurate_Arms10mm123_zps4f54ecb4.jpg)
Thanks Shawdow
I was aware of the comparisons of D032 (Shooter's World) to #2, but I won't be loading to Accurate's max!
6.8gr (#2's starting charge) of D032 resulted in max observed expansion, with 6.6 & 6.5gr not far behind it.
Fast powders in 10mm is just part of cataloging the potentials, I don't intend on pushing them :)
Thanks for putting that together. The original Norma load info is nice to have as a baseline.
I will check out this chart if/when I work up any new loads.
Outstanding Benchrst!
I also like the Norma loads right on top :)
Wonderful work. Please keep us updated.
Awesome work and thanks for sharing! I saw your other thread about getting a PT II. If you do I'll be really interested in seeing the comparison between the calibrated PT II pressure numbers and the QL PSI pressure numbers you currently show in the spreadsheet. I wish you the best of luck in your work moving forward. 8)
Out of curiosity; What chronograph do you use? And what brand aftermarket barrel in your G20?
I like the true glo TFX sights on my Glock's. That's probably because I was using the TFOs on other guns.
I like the white rings in the daylight and the green at night.
Hey REDLINE
Competition Electronics Pro Chrono w/ Digital Link. The barrel is a 5.15" Lone Wolf.
That and other info is kinda buried, but the spreadsheet contains links at the top (all links should be standard "link" blue).
Moving forward I intend to test loads with both the stock Gen 4 and LW :)
A PTII will be a reality, and I hope to have a test platform ready to go by spring - thought now is to turn down the chamber end of a LW barrel, and test that with a Parker barrel I have.
Should work ;D
Quote from: Benchrst on December 06 2015 10:51:55 AM MSTMoving forward I intend to test loads with both the stock Gen 4 and LW :)
I'm interested to see the difference in velocity.
Forgive my ignorance but what is a Parker barrel? When I do a quick google search all I come up with is shotgun related stuff.
Just came across this. Thanks for a great resource.
Redline I would suppose they are referring to the 10mm Wyoming-Parker 10mm auto. They came in several lengths form 7", 5" and 3 3/8" if I recall!
(http://www.bren-ten.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/wyomingarms-parker_7-1.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.org/wi25id9t9/wyoming_arms_10mm_parker_ss.jpg)
(http://www.bren-ten.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/wa_parker-compact1.jpg)
Man those are ugly guns.
Quote from: sqlbullet on December 28 2015 01:34:48 PM MST
Man those are ugly guns.
I think that is why I could never bring myself to buy one although I almost did on several occasions...they are a bastardized 1911... ???
Glocks are ugly too.
Quote from: REDLINE on December 06 2015 11:42:18 PM MST
Quote from: Benchrst on December 06 2015 10:51:55 AM MSTMoving forward I intend to test loads with both the stock Gen 4 and LW :)
I'm interested to see the difference in velocity.
Forgive my ignorance but what is a Parker barrel? When I do a quick google search all I come up with is shotgun related stuff.
The Parker is as mentioned above, and they are ugly :)
The Parker's barrel will not be used, as the gun is off to a smith to see if 'issues' can be resolved.
Quote from: The_Shadow on December 28 2015 01:02:10 PM MSTRedline I would suppose they are referring to the 10mm Wyoming-Parker 10mm auto.
Thanks. Definitely agree with ugly! My Glocks may be plain, so to speak, but they sure ain't on a level of ugly like those. :P
An ugly gun that works does not bother me :D
Updated with Saturday's results, up to 305 loads.
I will say the infrared light kit (Competition Electronics) is a massive improvement over relying on natural daylight. I don't shoot in an ideal location, and the sun's low on the horizon during the winter here, but after pulling the trigger 230 times yesterday the chrono might have missed 5 shots.
Just wish I had purchased it earlier!
I have had good luck with Acc#7, Blue Dot, and Unique.
.
Decent update, now at 361 loads, and a bit of informal barrier testing.
Next round I'm going to concentrate primarily on the G20 in it's stock form.
:)
Damn those are ugly!!!!!!!!!!!1
I would really love to see loading data for Hodogon Longshot and lighter bullets. 125gr Barnes TAC XP, Nosler 135gr, Lehigh 115gr. A Barnes 125gr TAC XP solid copper with velocities around 1500 to 1600 fps would be one heck of a SD load. I use A #7 and get good velocities but Longshot is my favorite powder. Also having 6 or 7 pounds of Longshot gives me even more reasons to use it.
Lehigh 140 data is posted here:
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0711/8833/files/07400140SP_-_10mm_Auto_140gr_Xtreme_Penetrator.pdf?11737524716573104869 (https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0711/8833/files/07400140SP_-_10mm_Auto_140gr_Xtreme_Penetrator.pdf?11737524716573104869)
We have loads shown in the 10mm Pull-Downs if you wish to study more.
I've got some 135gr Sierra JHPs, will work up a few Longshot loads (QL thinks with a 5.15" I can get 1,500 out of them).
Deliberately stayed away from the solids, buck a piece = ouch.
Buffalo Bore got 1500 or very close to it with the 155gr Barnes TAC XP using a heavily compressed loading 11.0 grains of Power Pistol.
Although QL was shown to show the pressure as 147,749 PSI on that loading. Were as the 155 GD was shown as 37,616 PSI for the same loading @ 1463 fps Which is what the 155gr Barnes TAC XP is actually doing.
I duplicated those using the C.O.P. 155 gr that IC sent...he showed the
QuoteCOP 155gr All Copper HP 11.0gr's Power Pistol (Buffalo Bore load) 1422, 1435, 1456, 1413. Average = 1431.5 FPS/ 706 LBS. Really happy with this level of performance and would love to see them in gel!
Any results with BE-86?
I'm looking to push an Xtreme copper plated 200gr bullet with it.
I'm hoping that the BE-86 can perform well.
BE-86 is loaded up, but not with 200s. Where it's landing on the burn rate charts I'd guess that it's probably not best suited for pushing bullets that heavy, but I could be wrong.
Warmer temps are around the corner, and I'll be out chrono'n :)
Tested about 60 loads yesterday. Most were with the stock barrel, and were just starting loads.
Tested several D036.03 (Shooters World Auto Pistol) vs #5 in the LW 5.15". They're VERY close. Direct link to those results: http://10mm-reloaded.com/load_data/D036_vs_aa5.html (http://10mm-reloaded.com/load_data/D036_vs_aa5.html)
Nice work Benchrest, The data says that the they should be the same by charge weights...Looks like they were close enough.
Thanks Shadow :)
Also did one comparison between D037.02 & #9:
180 RMR 13.2gr D037 CCI 350 1,135 FPS
180 RMR 13.2gr #9 CCI 350 1,176 FPS
Need to run a few more tests.
Thanks Benchrest, just to clarify for those who may not know, SHOOTERS WORLD RELOADING PROPELLANTS are LOVEX powders and sold under the names like MAJOR PISTOL & HEAVY PISTOL
They are two different LOVEX D037 powders LOVEX D037-01 (MAJOR PISTOL is like AA#7) and LOVEX D037-02 (HEAVY PISTOL is like AA#9)
Those wanting more info can visit SHOOTERS WORLD here;
http://www.shootersworldsc.com/propellants (http://www.shootersworldsc.com/propellants)
Here are the test I did with the D037-01 that I worked up to match Underwood's loads
Test results 12/26/2014
#1 (0.5 grain over highest AA#7 book loading)
Rainer 180gr HEX Plated HP
Star Line (new) COAL is 1.2550"
LOVEX D037-01 12.0 grains
From the Glock 20SF Factory barrel Wolff 22lb spring and recoil rod \
Velocity 1128 FPS
Case expansion 0.4320"
#2 (1.0 grain over highest A#7 book loading)
Rainer 180gr HEX Plated HP
Star Line (new) COAL is 1.2550"
LOVEX D037-01 12.5 grains
From the Glock 20SF Factory barrel Wolff 22lb spring and recoil rod
Velocity 1238 FPS
Case expansion 0.4330"
#3 (1.5 grain over highest A#7 book loading)
Rainer 180gr HEX Plated HP
Star Line (new) COAL is 1.2550"
LOVEX D037-01 13.0grains
From the Glock 20SF Factory barrel Wolff 22lb spring and recoil rod
Velocity 1285 FPS
Case expansion 0.4335"
Thanks again Shadow. I should have offered some explanation of what I was talking about!
;D
If you like AA#7, you really need to try VV N105. It performs better than #7 and isn't dirty burning. I'm surprised you left it out of your tests.
Tony
Quote from: TonyRumore on March 27 2016 04:10:52 PM MDT
If you like AA#7, you really need to try VV N105. It performs better than #7 and isn't dirty burning. I'm surprised you left it out of your tests.
Tony
Haven't left it out, more of a haven't got to it yet.
N105, A0, A1, & GM3 are inbound from Powder Valley, so over the next couple of months those will show up on the spreadsheet.
It's truly a project-in-the-works.
Yesterday's results: http://10mm-reloaded.com/load_data/10mmLoadResults04-02-16.html (http://10mm-reloaded.com/load_data/10mmLoadResults04-02-16.html)
Or just see the master file linked on page 1.
Contains a single D032 / #2 comparison, and I furthered the 180 RMR D037.02 / #9 loads.
My limited testing suggests the Lovex line is similar to Accurate's, but not identical.
Haven't been shooting a lot of 10mm lately but that's about to change.
Just wanted to pop-in and thank you again for all the work.
Incredible set of data here.
Magnum opus on that list of loads for the 10mm. It will save me lots of work with the chrono on my own. Many thanks.
Quote from: Benchrst on April 03 2016 03:50:39 PM MDT
Yesterday's results: http://webcity.net/benchrest/10MMPublished/10mmLoadResults04-02-16.html (http://webcity.net/benchrest/10MMPublished/10mmLoadResults04-02-16.html)
Or just see the master file linked on page 1.
Contains a single D032 / #2 comparison, and I furthered the 180 RMR D037.02 / #9 loads.
My limited testing suggests the Lovex line is similar to Accurate's, but not identical.
Great work Benchrest. At this point of your testing, and I think I saw you had other varieties of Nobel Sport powder in route, which would your prefer Nobel Sport or the Shooters World powders?? I need to order powder soon for several calibers and would like to give one of the brands a try. Loading for 10mm, 40s&w, 9mm, and 300blk. On a side note, I am a dealer so they are pretty close in pricing, so that isn't really part of the equation.
Thanks for the insight.
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I just ordered 8 lbs of Lovex D037.02 (Vexhvypistol-08) last night. I'm looking forward to seeing how it performs. In the past I have used AA-9 and I understand they are very similar. Judging from the spreadsheet I believe I will see similar performance.
PCFlorida, Can you elaborate on the term (Vexhvypistol-08) is that a powder name that is being sold?
Yes the Lovex D037.02 is said to load exactly as AA#9 by weight...the velocities can be very near the same but can also be different.
Quote from: The_Shadow on April 15 2016 07:01:10 PM MDT
PCFlorida, Can you elaborate on the term (Vexhvypistol-08) is that a powder name that is being sold?
Yes the Lovex D037.02 is said to load exactly as AA#9 by weight...the velocities can be very near the same but can also be different.
Shooters World Heavy Pistol 8lb, I believe.
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I am aware of the Shooter's World rebranding of the LOVEX powders and had thought that maybe what he meant but the way he wrote
Quote(Vexhvypistol-08)
I was wondering if another company was also rebranding products.
Just trying to stay on top of things... ::)
Quote from: The_Shadow on April 15 2016 08:59:58 PM MDT
I am aware of the Shooter's World rebranding of the LOVEX powders and had thought that maybe what he meant but the way he wrote Quote(Vexhvypistol-08)
I was wondering if another company was also rebranding products.
Just trying to stay on top of things... ::)
I hear you, there is a lot of powder being discussed hear. The nomenclature above is the item # used by Powder Valley for the Shooter World Heavy Pistol, Lovex D037.02. It is hard to keep all these references straight.
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Quote from: suncoastarmory on April 15 2016 05:24:55 PM MDT
Quote from: Benchrst on April 03 2016 03:50:39 PM MDT
Yesterday's results: http://webcity.net/benchrest/10MMPublished/10mmLoadResults04-02-16.html (http://webcity.net/benchrest/10MMPublished/10mmLoadResults04-02-16.html)
Or just see the master file linked on page 1.
Contains a single D032 / #2 comparison, and I furthered the 180 RMR D037.02 / #9 loads.
My limited testing suggests the Lovex line is similar to Accurate's, but not identical.
Great work Benchrest. At this point of your testing, and I think I saw you had other varieties of Nobel Sport powder in route, which would your prefer Nobel Sport or the Shooters World powders?? I need to order powder soon for several calibers and would like to give one of the brands a try. Loading for 10mm, 40s&w, 9mm, and 300blk. On a side note, I am a dealer so they are pretty close in pricing, so that isn't really part of the equation.
Thanks for the insight.
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At this point I'd say the Lovex (Shooters World) powders are more viable, at least in the 10.
What I've loaded in N.S. Ba 9 & Ba 7.5 has been pretty anemic, but there's room to grow. As stated, GM3, A0, & A1 are new to me, and the first (conservative on A0 & A1, WAG with GM3) loads will be tested tomorrow.
I'm patiently waiting for PV to offer D037.01 :)
Looking foward to the update on today's testing. I wonder why D037.01 isn't being offered? It's not carried at my Shooters World powder distributor either.
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Shooter's World is selling the LOVEX D037.01 under their own name called MAJOR PISTOL
http://www.shootersworldsc.com/reloading-guide (http://www.shootersworldsc.com/reloading-guide)
Yes, that is Powder Valleys name for the Lovex/Heavy Pistol. It is confusing with everyone calling it something slightly different. However if it shoots like AA9 they can call it whatever they like. I used to shoot pounds of AA9 and then it got hard to find. I'm hoping Shooters World is around for a while.
Don't be confused
the LOVEX D037.01 is the one that is like AA#7 and is called MAJOR PISTOL
the LOVEX D037-02 is the one that is like AA#9 and is called HEAVY PISTOL
Here is the pistol powder listings by Shooter World
LOVEX POWDERS sold by Shooters World
Canister Name Lovex Number
SPARTA 100 D013
CLEAN SHOT D032-03 AA#2
AUTO PISTOL D036-03 AA#5
ULTIMATE PISTOL D036-07
MAJOR PISTOL D037-01 AA#7
HEAVY PISTOL D037-02 AA#9
Here is LOVEX Descriptions
(https://s20.postimg.org/58qs3wj0r/LOVEX_Description_zpsc6dcwuj2.jpg)
Good post the_shadow, saves from having to go to the Shooters World website to cross reference the names.
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Yesterday's results: http://10mm-reloaded.com/load_data/10mmLoadResults04-16-16.html (http://10mm-reloaded.com/load_data/10mmLoadResults04-16-16.html) (all entered in master file).
Most are pretty pedestrian - establishing baselines with some powders, others are 'working' loads that'll never be furthered.
A0, A1, and GM3 were truly starting loads. My GM3 WAGs all cycled the G20 (24LB), some barely - case expansion was negligible, and I'll ladder up cautiously.
Glad to see the data as you explore these powders not normally part of the local loading fodder...
I was reading and studying some of the VECTAN data in my files. Those show some uses in the metallic cartridge data, some don't, but it doesn't mean that they will not work!
The VECTAN Burn Rate Chart
(https://s20.postimg.org/of3z6rua3/VECTAN_zpspb1bfz8z.jpg)
I am surprised that Vectan shows the 40S&W using A0 powder with the 180 grain JHP, using A0 4.2gr @ 840 fps and 5.2gr @ 935 fps
However, they didn't show any 10mm loadings using AO but they did show one with A1...
Modified for clarity (see post wit printed data on May 2 2016)
Quote from: The_Shadow on April 17 2016 05:19:46 PM MDT
I am surprised that they show the A0 with the 180 grain JHP using A0 4.2gr @ 840 fps and 5.2gr @ 935 fps
However, they didn't show any 10mm loadings using AO but they did show one with A1...
Shadow, was "A0" in the first line supposed to read "40", as in 40 S&W?
Benchrest writes;
QuoteShadow, was "A0" in the first line supposed to read "40", as in 40 S&W?
It should have read that Vectan was showing 40S&W with AO powder...see the load data below.
(https://s20.postimg.org/a2aj8o7rx/Vectan_data_40_Samp_W_10mm_zpsfhftqq7c.jpg)
Migrated everything over to http://10mm-reloaded.com/ (http://10mm-reloaded.com/)
All the pages were created the old fashioned way, with spreadsheets and basic html, so I had to edit every link. It was fun :)
There's bound to be errors, if any are found please let me know by PM on this forum.
Thanks!
Quote from: Benchrst on May 15 2016 07:35:10 PM MDT
Migrated everything over to http://10mm-reloaded.com/ (http://10mm-reloaded.com/)
All the pages were created the old fashioned way, with spreadsheets and basic html, so I had to edit every link. It was fun :)
There's bound to be errors, if any are found please let me know by PM on this forum.
Thanks!
Thanks so much for doing all this work. Wow. Easy to search each page, by powder, "Longshot" or "#9" for example.
Very nice work, :D I did see a few items like missing bullet weights or in one instance a 145 gr bullet was listed as 45. I understand how tedious the work is and the attention to details required. The first line of the D037 is missing the .02.
All in all great work. Indications of what powders yield what velocities is a very cool reference! 8)
My keyboard actually needs to be replaced because the boots under the keys are getting stiff, and I find myself hitting keys that don't register...
Here's some results of load testing with a 165 gr HP Berrys over AA#5 and 8 gr of AA#7 over a 180 gr cast bullet. Both were bench rested at 25 yards.
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Thanks guys!
Certainly there's some housekeeping left, I'll get to it :)
Saturday looks very good for chrono time, and I'll do my best to put a dent in the 154 loads that are ready to go.
Initial hopes for STEEL have diminished a bit, without even firing a shot! We'll see what the chrono says.
Next I'll wander a bit further off the beaten path with 20/28 and e3 loads. No, I won't be pushing these powders :)
Testing this weekend will be done with the usuall 5.15" LW, and a new 5.2" w/ 30deg comp. Doubt there'll be much of a difference in velocity (setup was purchased with hopes of slowing the slide down a bit).
PTII is in hand, but getting the test 'platform' off the ground is taking longer than anticipated, It'll get there :)
Awesome day!
1: A coated Beartooth 200gr WN will clock 50fps (1,277 fps, 13.2 #9) faster than as shipped with conventional lube.
2: STEEL has potential, and heavy recoil. All but the top load spit unburned powder at the chrono screwing up the readings, 11.5 behind 200gr Bayou RN ran pretty clean and produced 1,200 fps (.4282). Up to 13.5gr next outting.
3: The LW compensator performed very well taming recoil and slowing the slide (my perception).
4: 572 works fine in the 10 - 7.0gr 155 1,100fps .4270 - room to grow.
5: Competition Electronics emailed a patched Digital Link app, correcting the batch export shot ordering. It works :)
6: Not that I was after it, but hit 817 ft lbs.
7: Bumped the 200gr XTP OAL to 1.280 to give #9 a little more room. Ran fine from the mag.
Tested about 90 loads, lots to go through!
Wow, you have been busy. And it is appreciated.
Saturday's results: http://10mm-reloaded.com/load_data/10mmLoadResults05-28-16.html (http://10mm-reloaded.com/load_data/10mmLoadResults05-28-16.html)
:)
Man you had a ton of data to document there...Thanks for your reports. Not sure how much you could push the A0 or the GM3 powders. A1 looked interesting too...
Working blindly takes a lot attention to case expansion and inspection. The Steel loads appear to be good to go for some loads.
The 800X and LongShot still hold for good velocity, Power Pistol and BE-86 also.
Thanks Shadow.
Actually, it's gotten pretty streamlined - the Digital Link Bluetooth app now exports (csv) in batch mode correctly, thanks to CE for responding to my emails and sending a patched version (I had the latest from the app store).
Chrono, data captured on Droid device
Batch export csv via email
Open in Calc, make presentable (tedious part), export to html, cut n' paste already written style code
Upload
Now I do have to enter each number into the master file, but that goes pretty quick (ME & PF are auto populated).
Now measuring brass is TEDIOUS, and a ton of fun! Not! :P
I really enjoy the load development, and of course shooting, but I'm considering looking into full automation on the reporting side (hit 'export', dump it into a back end, and have the pages generated on the fly). Sound like more work :)
A0 & GM3: I suspect they'll just quietly top out with mediocre numbers, but GM3 has been consistent and accurate so far.
LW 5.2" is 40 thousandths tighter than the 5.15" barrel, a few like (or very similar) loads produced gains in excess of 100fps, and smiles at .4283.
Broke a rule I know all too well, change ANYTHING = rework the load.
Pretty decent update (about 100 loads).
Reminder: Some loads are HOT - Some loads are below / above book values, some have no published data. What proves safe in my gun(s) may not in yours.
http://10mm-reloaded.com/load_data/10mmLoadResults06-18-16.html (http://10mm-reloaded.com/load_data/10mmLoadResults06-18-16.html)
Master file updated sans case measurements, I'll try to get to that this week.
http://10mm-reloaded.com/load_data/10mmAllPowders.html (http://10mm-reloaded.com/load_data/10mmAllPowders.html)
I think you would be better off using less primer and more powder. The case isn't big enough and/or the powder slow enough to warrant using a magnum primer.
I would suggest going to a CCI 300 and putting more fuel behind the bullet.
Tony
Quote from: TonyRumore on June 22 2016 07:31:06 AM MDT
I think you would be better off using less primer and more powder. The case isn't big enough and/or the powder slow enough to warrant using a magnum primer.
I would suggest going to a CCI 300 and putting more fuel behind the bullet.
Tony
What powder / bullet combination does your advice apply to? Certainly not #9, I would hope.
26 loads tested today :)
Furthered GM3, 572, and STEEL (on the fence about this one). Also tested e3 & 20/28.
Results: http://10mm-reloaded.com/load_data/10mmLoadResults07-23-16.html (http://10mm-reloaded.com/load_data/10mmLoadResults07-23-16.html)
Nice, thank you for your hard work.
Very nice Benchrest! there are some there with some promise! Good info incase the shortages get bad again!
Quote from: The_Shadow on July 27 2016 11:26:42 AM MDT
Very nice Benchrest! there are some there with some promise! Good info incase the shortages get bad again!
Thanks Shawdow!
I guess if there's a point to all this, other than just publishing the results of my hobby, is to have a record of 'what works'. Next to add is PrimaV, and possibly American Select.
Eventually I'll start including Pressure Trace results.
Good thing this is fun :)
Had hoped for a bit warmer temps, but 87 is all it got to :)
The intent was to test some of the hottest loads at 90+ degrees, to see if any charges needed to be decreased. None did at 87.
The one standout was Unique pushing a 155. I must have messed up the charge weight - 8.5gr @ 45deg produced 1,281, @ 60deg 1,326, and at 85 degress 1,189. That can't be reality, and priding myself
on accuracy in all aspects of this project, it's a bit frustrating.
Put an assumed minimal charge of STEEL behind a 180 FMJ. Didn't work. High ES. Case expansion, while all over the place, was low. I'm going to load up a few more, and if I can't get
consistency I'll abandon it.
Added Tula to the mix, so there's a comparison between 2.5, 300, 350, 150, S&B, & WLP. Using a 165 and AA7, Tula produced the second highest velocity behind CCI's 350.
Yesterday's results: http://10mm-reloaded.com/load_data/10mmLoadResults08-27-16.html (http://10mm-reloaded.com/load_data/10mmLoadResults08-27-16.html)
Once again some excellent work and interesting results! The primer testing tells an important tale and I was surprised by the Remington 2.5 being the lowest...
I see this listing
Quote10mm 155 MG 11.0 HS-7
HS-7 was a great powder in the day, no longer being made, and no equivalent under another name that I know of...
Alliant Steel looks like it is off kilter, either needs more or just not performing well...
Alliant 20/28 looks to have done better.
Winchester 572 is new to the scene and it looks to need more study.
Thanks for your work and results. :D
Thanks Shadow!
I realize HS-7 is long gone, but I've got 3lbs, so why not :)
STEEL has me scratching my head a bit, certainly needs more testing but my gut tells me it's an "abandon".
I'll keep climbing slowly with 20/28 & 572 :)
Back from the dead, and the 2nd wettest winter on record!
Limited bit of testing (I'll update the website later this week), spent most of the time playing around with the Pressure Trace platform.
Probably the only chrono readings of interest are:
Undocumented loads below, use at own risk!
IMR Blue (WAG on this one, I started low)
155gr MG JHP / 7.4gr IMR Blue / CCI 300 / new Starline @ 1.255 = 780fps (just enough to cycle a G20 w/ 20# spring)
Vectan Prima V
180 RMR plated RN / 5.4gr Prima V / CCI 300 / new Starline @ 1.260 = 960fps
05.03.17 results: http://10mm-reloaded.com/load_data/10mmLoadResults05-03-17.html (http://10mm-reloaded.com/load_data/10mmLoadResults05-03-17.html)
Updated master file: http://10mm-reloaded.com/load_data/10mmAllPowders.html (http://10mm-reloaded.com/load_data/10mmAllPowders.html)
:)
Great report Benchrst. Interesting to see other powders you are testing as well.
I have to believe the IMR BLUE will likely need to be used closer to what we have tested with Blue Dot for definitive comparison.
Possibly side by side equal amounts of each say 8.0 grains of each, 8.4 grains with same bullets and primers.
Thanks for your reports...
Yesterday's results (just a few loads) http://10mm-reloaded.com/load_data/10mmLoadResults05-10-17.html (http://10mm-reloaded.com/load_data/10mmLoadResults05-10-17.html)
Continue to climb slowly with IMB Blue, next chrono session I'll dedicate to taking Blue to it's safe limit and do some comparisons with Blue Dot.
Here's a video of imr blue in shotguns.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7hNjf-D7ec
A few tests, can be seen here:
http://10mm-reloaded.com/load_data/10mmLoadResults06-07-17.html (http://10mm-reloaded.com/load_data/10mmLoadResults06-07-17.html)
Slowly climbing with IMR Blue, and the link above has a single comparison with Blue Dot (180gr GD, LOW load for BD).
With IMR Blue I ran into some odd numbers. Either the sunlight caused the chrono (was using an infrared light kit) to get funky for these two groups or I hit a weird node. The latter seems unlikely as the 180gr bullet velocity increases with each shot, and decreases with 155gr bullet.
Data in image below not included in link above.
(http://10mm-reloaded.com/random/10mm_IMR_Blue_odd_chronograph_readings.jpg)
Your IMR Blue 8.4 load is tracking near the same as your other Blue Dot test using 8.4 grains with 180 grain bullets.
Those who tested it in 12 gauge shotshells saw nearly exact if not slightly more velocity for the IMR Blue as same exact weights of Blue Dot.
Blue Dot really needs to be pushed so the pressure and heat will make it yield its best numbers, IMR Blue is likely going to be the same... ::)
Quote from: The_Shadow on June 08 2017 04:39:44 PM MDT
Blue Dot really needs to be pushed so the pressure and heat will make it yield its best numbers, IMR Blue is likely going to be the same... ::)
I'm thinking the same thing, just working up slowly.
We'll know soon enough :)
No love for the Barnes bullets? Or did I just miss it? Looking for a good hunting load with the 155 grain Barnes out of a G20LS.
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Well had you seen the Buffalo Bore offering? Power Pistol can give good results...about 1450 fps.
The pull down showed a very scary loading where the powder was compressed into a hard packed pellet at 11.0 grains...
http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-10mm-ammo-pull-downs/buffalo-bore-barnes-155gr-tac-xp-pull-down/msg20358/#msg20358 (http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-10mm-ammo-pull-downs/buffalo-bore-barnes-155gr-tac-xp-pull-down/msg20358/#msg20358)
Quote from: The_Shadow on November 28 2017 07:50:56 PM MST
Well had you seen the Buffalo Bore offering? Power Pistol can give good results...about 1450 fps.
The pull down showed a very scary loading where the powder was compressed into a hard packed pellet at 11.0 grains...
http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-10mm-ammo-pull-downs/buffalo-bore-barnes-155gr-tac-xp-pull-down/msg20358/#msg20358 (http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-10mm-ammo-pull-downs/buffalo-bore-barnes-155gr-tac-xp-pull-down/msg20358/#msg20358)
Yeah I actually commented on one thread that had that. Barnes says tops out at 7.8 grains and Quickload shows high pressure at about 8 grains. I loaded up some starting at 7.5 and went all the way to 11. I plan to start low and check brass at every 1/2 grain increment.
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