Holy Facebook madness! My feed today is clogged with video, news, etc... about the Oregon shootings and a need for action. I honestly don't know the answer that would work here in America for us. I don't think we could ever be like Japan or South Korea (they are always referenced for the extremely low gun deaths) and the suggestion I keep seeing about rifles and shotguns only might not be enough to make the impact desired. It makes me wonder what the next sweeping change we will see as a result!
BTW, the shooter was on a terrorist watch list for years according to foreign intelligence. ::)
Well it will only get worse as they awaken those in the sleeper cells and call them into action....
Also the acceptance of the refugees will bring in even more terrorist...
Quote from: The_Shadow on October 03 2015 08:55:09 AM MDT
BTW, the shooter was on a terrorist watch list for years according to foreign intelligence. ::)
We are all on a terrorist watch list.
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Quote from: Intercooler on October 03 2015 08:33:44 AM MDT
I honestly don't know the answer that would work here in America for us.
I know the answer, but people here (in the United States) wouldn't like it. I will say it doesn't involve taking guns away from people.
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Quote from: my_old_glock on October 03 2015 10:48:28 AM MDT
Quote from: The_Shadow on October 03 2015 08:55:09 AM MDT
BTW, the shooter was on a terrorist watch list for years according to foreign intelligence. ::)
We are all on a terrorist watch list.
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The first time I went to wikileaks I thought I am on it now.
Quote from: my_old_glock on October 03 2015 10:49:50 AM MDT
Quote from: Intercooler on October 03 2015 08:33:44 AM MDT
I honestly don't know the answer that would work here in America for us.
I know the answer, but people here (in the United States) wouldn't like it. I will say it doesn't involve taking guns away from people.
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What's the plan? I have been asking the others, but no answers.
Outlaw gun free zones.
This one wasn't a gun free zone.
Quote from: Intercooler on October 03 2015 06:19:32 PM MDT
This one wasn't a gun free zone.
I've seen contradictory reports about that. One I saw quoted some university statement that sounded like guns WERE prohibited. But I saw some other news report that said one of the students was armed, but elected not to engage the shooter (might not have had direct contact with the shooter, perhaps).
Yea. I found it earlier today in reading.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/10/01/3708256/ucc-was-not-a-gun-free-zone-because-public-colleges-in-oregon-cant-ban-guns/
Yep. Read the entire article. Buildings gun free.
:)) Yup, just like our post offices >:D
There are way too many unknowns that need to be answered before it can be determined why/how this scumbag was able to get into the building and carry out his objective. At first glance, CCW on campus seems to be legal with permit, but there are reports that the college had it's own policy of 'no weapons, period.' Also, I've seen news reports basically stating that if concealed carry is the answer, then why didn't at least one person known to be carrying try to stop the shooter. Again, too many variables. Did the person with the CCW even have a visual on the shooter, was he there before LEO's were? By all accounts, I've heard that LEO's were on scene almost immediately, which would mandate that anyone, CCW or not, stay out of the way and let the police do their job.
More laws aren't the answer, that will only impact law abiding citizens. Criminals don't care about laws, that's why they're called CRIMINALS!
People need to get involved. There are way too many apathetic sheeple in this country, and not enough sheep dogs. Nowadays, when something like this happens, most people either run like hell, with no regard for their fellow man, or they cower in fear, waiting for help to arrive. We're responsible for our own safety, and the sooner people understand that, the better.
Finally, in Chicago last month, a city with some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country, there were, I believe, 60 homicides, all committed with guns, with 50 of those deaths occurring in the last two weeks of September. Where's the outrage over these mass killings? I haven't heard a peep out of Obama, Hillary, or any other prominent liberals for that matter. Not even BLM, who are so quick to crucify a police officer for defending himself, but have remained strangely silent on Chicago. I guess it doesn't fit any of their agendas.
Almost without exception, these types that do the mass shootings do not intend to leave the scene alive. Generally, the last shot they fire is into their own brain. There is no law that will govern that mindset. They will carry out that plan.
I understand it was an 8 minute response by police, which is about as quick as any I've heard of. The only security supplied by the school was armed only with pepper spray. That would certainly have been of no consequence to the attack, and would have been heroic suicide if he/she would have attempted to stop the shooter.
What is the answer??? Get the shooter to fire his last shot in a much quicker way. That last shot is the self inflicted gunshot to his brain. That act happens when he is confronted by another armed man when his plan can be carried no farther. The best way to accomplish is to allow the public to arm themselves so there is no gun free zones except by happenstance.
The possibility of running into another armed individual might turn the would-be terrorist to make the the first shot his last shot and spare the public from a suicidal rampage.
Greg
AMEN!
Quote from: Intercooler on October 03 2015 07:20:51 PM MDT
Yea. I found it earlier today in reading.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/10/01/3708256/ucc-was-not-a-gun-free-zone-because-public-colleges-in-oregon-cant-ban-guns/
If you dig down deep enough in the links contained in the above link, you get to this:
"People who enter business relationships with state universities must agree not to carry guns on campus property. Those include students, employees, contractors, people buying tickets to university events or people renting university property."
"The policy blunts the victory for gun rights advocates a day earlier in the state Senate, which narrowly rejected Senate Bill 1594, a measure to bar people from carrying guns on a school or college campus."
"The state board policy, however, would not prevent people with concealed weapon permits from walking across a state university campus with a gun. They just couldn't enter any building or arena."
No one want criminals or the mentally ill to get guns.
So how do we stop it?
Rights of legal gun owners should be expanded while ending the ways the bad guys can get guns.
Quote from: Mr. AR50 on October 04 2015 07:31:29 AM MDT
Did the person with the CCW even have a visual on the shooter, was he there before LEO's were? By all accounts, I've heard that LEO's were on scene almost immediately, which would mandate that anyone, CCW or not, stay out of the way and let the police do their job.
More laws aren't the answer, that will only impact law abiding citizens. Criminals don't care about laws, that's why they're called CRIMINALS!
People need to get involved. There are way too many apathetic sheeple in this country, and not enough sheep dogs.
The CCW was supposedly 200 yards away in a different part of the campus. The problem with having a CCW come to the rescue is that if another CCW from another part of the campus also came running to where the shooter was, the two CCW holders might think the other CCW holder was the shooter. If a CCW holder is at the location and sees the shooter than he/she can react.
From what I read on the California gun boards, a lot of CCW holders (from southern California) think they are their own one man special forces navy seal tactical SWAT police force. People like that bother me more than lone gunman.
I think the main problem is the do-gooders (both liberals and cucktards) want to make the US and the world in to some type of utopia. If they just let nature take its course, a lot of this crap would settle down.
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Quote from: Wolfie on October 04 2015 09:02:51 AM MDT
No one want criminals or the mentally ill to get guns.
So how do we stop it?
Can't.... You cannot stop them from getting them if they are hell bent on it.
Quote from: Wolfie on October 04 2015 09:02:51 AM MDT
Rights of legal gun owners should be expanded while ending the ways the bad guys can get guns.
My rights come from god and are inalienable. Hard to expand beyond inalienable.
Greg
All I keep reading about is how we should adopt what Australia did and how since 1996 they haven't experienced a mass shooting.
What did they adopt?
Quote from: sstewart on October 04 2015 02:08:32 PM MDT
What did they adopt?
Google "1996 confiscation" and see what comes up.
Greg
Buy back of firearms. They banned all semi-auto firearms and I think pistols.
Barry and the mainstream media are having another one if their spasmmatic circle jerk, Liberal wet dream fantasies about government control again! Just for giggles let's take a quick look at those to "examples of common sense gun safety" employed by those two countries shall we:
Australia bans all semi-automatic and pump rifles and shotguns. It requires purchasers to state a specific reason for buying any gun — personal protection is not a legitimate cause — and then wait nearly a month before receiving the firearm (IF approved). All firearm are registered and licensed, and the permits expire after five years. Australia also have very strict limits on ammunition.
It's even worse in England. British citizens cannot own handguns or even pump-action shotguns. The few guns available to law abiding citizens must be registered. Very strict restrictions on type of ammunition are also enforced.
That's what your Facebook friends, Barry & MSM would love to see here too; don't kid yourself a tiny bit!
No doubt. Oboinko always refers to Australia. Shooters British dad is anti gun. But where's his mom at. She's the one culpable I suspect. Resided with son KNOWINGLY that he was imbalanced. This guy's parents were divorced for 10 years, same with Lanza and Columbine shooter. Just a factoid. No father's in life.
Quote from: my_old_glock on October 04 2015 11:05:41 AM MDT
Quote from: Mr. AR50 on October 04 2015 07:31:29 AM MDT
Did the person with the CCW even have a visual on the shooter, was he there before LEO's were? By all accounts, I've heard that LEO's were on scene almost immediately, which would mandate that anyone, CCW or not, stay out of the way and let the police do their job.
More laws aren't the answer, that will only impact law abiding citizens. Criminals don't care about laws, that's why they're called CRIMINALS!
People need to get involved. There are way too many apathetic sheeple in this country, and not enough sheep dogs.
The CCW was supposedly 200 yards away in a different part of the campus. The problem with having a CCW come to the rescue is that if another CCW from another part of the campus also came running to where the shooter was, the two CCW holders might think the other CCW holder was the shooter. If a CCW holder is at the location and sees the shooter than he/she can react.
From what I read on the California gun boards, a lot of CCW holders (from southern California) think they are their own one man special forces navy seal tactical SWAT police force. People like that bother me more than lone gunman.
I think the main problem is the do-gooders (both liberals and cucktards) want to make the US and the world in to some type of utopia. If they just let nature take its course, a lot of this crap would settle down.
I think you missed my point. I was responding to a libtard anchor on the Clinton News Network. She made the statement that ' There was indeed a man with a CCW on the campus when the shooting began, and yet he didn't confront the shooter. Having a CCW didn't do any good in this case.' I was pointing out, as you did, that in this case, the people with CCW did the right thing by doing nothing.
As for my comment about sheeple, I'm not advocating that people with CCW permits behave like Spec Ops, and go looking for a fight. The beauty of concealed carry is that the more people who are carrying, the more effective it is. If you have a shooter on a college campus, and one lone person with a CWP, unless the shooter starts his rampage in the immediate vicinity of the CCW, it's probably best not to seek him out and engage him. However, if there are enough people carrying on campus to make it possible for every classroom to have at least one armed student, well, that deranged maniac shooter is probably going to have a rather brief rampage.
Quote from: my_old_glock on October 04 2015 11:05:41 AM MDT
From what I read on the California gun boards, a lot of CCW holders (from southern California) think they are their own one man special forces navy seal tactical SWAT police force. People like that bother me more than lone gunman.
I believe that's why many business owners refuse CC on their property. I had a little smile on my face when someone coined the name "mall ninjas" to label the type.
Its one thing to watch the thing unfold in front of you. To run to the scene and try to guess good guy from bad is a different thing all together. You could fire at the plain clothes first responder trying to stop a bad situation, of you could draw heavy fire if mistaken for the nut case.
Greg
Quote from: Intercooler on October 04 2015 05:11:25 PM MDT
Buy back of firearms. They banned all semi-auto firearms and I think pistols.
Not sure how much of this is correct
Don't think they took (all) the Semi Auto Pistols
There are several CZ 75 (type) and KADET owners down there
I have sold several of my modded UpLULAs to Members of (one or both) CZForum(s) in different cities in OZ
What I LOVE is that the Lame Stream Media makes this guy out to be a "deranged WHITE male" when his mother is Black !
Quote from: DenStinett on October 05 2015 06:53:18 PM MDT
Quote from: Intercooler on October 04 2015 05:11:25 PM MDT
Buy back of firearms. They banned all semi-auto firearms and I think pistols.
Not sure how much of this is correct
Don't think they took (all) the Semi Auto Pistols
There are several CZ 75 (type) and KADET owners down there
I have sold several of my modded UpLULAs to Members of (one or both) CZForum(s) in different cities in OZ
Australia....
No pump or semi-auto rifles or shotguns.... Yes, that includes 65 year old Remington 870 and Mossberg 500.
Handguns - Nothing that holds more than 10 rounds; no calibers greater than .38 (unless used in specialty accredited sporting target shooting event with prior approval .45)... That's right; NO 10mm we all appreciate so much. No semi-auto pistol with barrel greater than 4.72" (120mm), no revolver with barrel greater than 3.93" (100mm).
To be eligible to own handgun in Australia: a target shooter must serve a probationary period of 6 months using club handguns, after which they may apply for a permit. A minimum number of matches yearly to retain EACH category of handgun and be a paid-up member of an approved pistol club.... ETC, ETC, ETC....
MOST IMPORTANT, NO 2nd Amendment...
All Barry's got left in his worn out bag of tricks is this BS trash talking routine!