I more then likely will go with an XTP style bullet for hunting, but want to load some lead bullets for practice. I have found a box of 500 200 gr. hard cast FP bullets and want to load these. I will end up mimicking the POA and POI to the hunting round. Any suggestions on powder? I do have WC 820, which has the same characteristics of AA#9. I also have different pistol powders, 231, titegroup...
I have a Para Elite LS Hunter.
Any help or experiences would be greatly appreciated.
Raf
I like powder coated lead better.
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Rafsob, The WC 820 may be your best choice here, the 200 grain is a heavy bullet and slower burn rate powders tend to give them the best shove. TightGroup and 231 are useable but at slower velocities per charge weight before the pressure starts to peak around 1020 fps for that heavy weight.
I hope that the bullets are sized to at least 0.401" or slightly larger as that will yield a better bore seal and help to prevent leading.
Accurate Arms shows this for the Clements 205 gr cast bullet using AA#9 from when WC820 was its main component (microbead spherical)
No.9 10.6 grains @ 1018 fps
No.9 11.8 grains @ 1157 fps 36,200 PSI
Then you can compare that with the Speer 200gr TMJ
No.9 12.2 grains @ 1056 fps
No.9 13.5 grains @ 1200 fps 36,300 PSI
I have used 12.6 grains of AA#9 behind some of my own cast bullets with good results.
Hey Shadow, thanks for the info. That is what I am looking for in lead bullet rounds. Lead is cheaper to shoot and I like to try and match the POA/POI between the lead practice and jacketed hunting round. This will help me work to that end. I usually use
the AA#9 data, but back it off and work my way up. It has worked so far and works fine. I still have an 8# and a half jug so I like using it for my hand canon guns.
Hey Gandog, I would love to try these coated lead bullets, but that would mean I would have to do the coating. I don't do this or does any of my buddies. I would be totally lost in this process!!! Thanks anyway pal.
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You can powder coat with very little monetary investment. All you need is a toaster oven, a cool whip bowl, some black air soft BBs, powder coat powder and unlubed lead bullets.
Pumpkinheaver. was that one coat or two... they look great
That is one coat. I have been playing with my technique a bit, trying to get the best results I can.
ES or tumble?
My tumble lube bullets always look clumpy. Not sure if it is the dry climate or what.
Love the look / colors...
One thing I noticed tho, at the local indoor range, another was shooting coated. When we walked down to replace targets, to me it smelled like an electrical insulation type burning.
He stated it was the coating.
Do they all have that smell?
I would guess yes. Almost all of them are a variation of thermo-set polymer. They are gonna smell like hot plastic.
Way less vapors than bullet lube though.
There is a distinct odor when shooting PC bullets. It's not a bad smell just different from the normal odors when shooting.
I recently loaded 12.0 gr WC820 under a 180 TCFP coated cast bullet with decent results. My test was not for accuracy or speed, strictly a function test. They all worked, with decent accuracy at 15 yds. Brass landed about 15 ft away. Cases weren't bulged. Resizing took less effort than the first time I sized them as once fired out of an unknown gun.
This target was using 185 grain coated Precision Bullets. SO accuracy was very pleasing to me.
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Quote from: Sailormilan2 on September 18 2015 09:40:34 PM MDT
I recently loaded 12.0 gr WC820 under a 180 TCFP coated cast bullet with decent results. My test was not for accuracy or speed, strictly a function test. They all worked, with decent accuracy at 15 yds. Brass landed about 15 ft away. Cases weren't bulged. Resizing took less effort than the first time I sized them as once fired out of an unknown gun.
WC820 is less than ideal for almost any 10MM auto load. The powder doesn't perform well if loaded to less than 95% capacity, and can have ignition issues (and is very dirty) with light loads. I've had some acceptable results with 105% compressed loads and 180 gr. bullets, but less than stellar. Also, WC820 consistency can vary between lots, so don't take any shared charges at face value. Always start 3-5% lower and work up. As a safety factor, you can't get enough powder in the case to cause excessive pressure.
I've just been using Power Pistol and BE-86 and Rim Rock Bullets. Everything ends up with good accuracy no matter what I try, unless I happen to be shooting like crap that day.
If it is any help to you or others reading this, I load the 11.8 gr of AA#9 that Shadow posted. I shoot it from a stock barrel in a G29. The bullet is the 200 gr lead TC from Rim Rock. I like this load better than some of the lighter faster ones. Those seem to have more muzzle blast than I like. There is no issues of lead build up in my gun. Streaks appear after the first shot....but they never get worse in my gun....I have used a napkin and Hoppes #9 afterwards and it cleans up shiny....so maybe most of the stuff I see is actually lube. I have shot between 50-100 rounds at a time. Same results....This load does not deform or bulge my brass either. All of my brass is once, twice, thrice+++.....fired brass...
I figure someone might be browsing these threads thinking of trying this or similar in their guns so there ya go...your mileage may vary
Be safe......
hammeredbean,
I loaded up some of the same bullets as you list but I started at 11.5 of AA#9. I'm still working out my oal for the Glock 29 and 1911. Velocities were about 1150 for both and brass looked fine. What has me troubled is after 10 rounds through each weapon, action and barrel had a layer of soot and looked to be some unburned powder in both. Did you find the load you listed to be dirty? I didn't use magnum primers but am considering it with this powder.
I should note that I was using a 4.2" Wolf barrel in the 29.
Quote from: cmtmike on October 26 2015 09:33:58 AM MDT
hammeredbean,
I loaded up some of the same bullets as you list but I started at 11.5 of AA#9. I'm still working out my oal for the Glock 29 and 1911. Velocities were about 1150 for both and brass looked fine. What has me troubled is after 10 rounds through each weapon, action and barrel had a layer of soot and looked to be some unburned powder in both. Did you find the load you listed to be dirty? I didn't use magnum primers but am considering it with this powder.
I should note that I was using a 4.2" Wolf barrel in the 29.
I didn't notice any un-burned powder in my gun. My COAL is 1.255 I believe. It burned very clean for me with very little soot. I was very cautious about the lead in my factory barrel, so I fired a few rounds at a time, then inspected the "lead build up" and fired more..then repeated. After several rounds I noticed that after the 1st 2-3 shots the level of fouling in the barrel never got worse. Then I was also pleasantly surprised to discover that a brush dipped in Hoppes #9 and a few passes and the bore was shiny. I figured that most of the fouling I saw was bullet lube.... Since then I have only shot a few at a time (to save money). I have intentionally cleaned it with only a corn dog stick and a napkin/solvent to verify that it isn't lead...rather bullet lube that I see in the barrel. I suppose it could be some lead too, but after 50 rounds, just a couple of passes with a brush is all it takes to clean it.
In the future, I want to get some Dawson Precision adjustable sights and use sand bags to really fine tune things....this load shot so high in my gun, I have filed the rear sight to a nub to compensate. I killed a deer with the load last year, gonna kill a few more this year with it too. It doesn't do anything but punch a hole. But punch a hole it will do! I hope this helps. FWIW, the Accurate #9 is the cleanest, best smelling powder I have ever shot.....
On a side note....In the same Glock 29....6.5 gr of power pistol with a 165 gr plated bullet has squelched any desire of mine to ever use a 22 pistol....It is quiet, slow, and VERY accurate...and best of all, it dumps the brass at my feet (barely cycles). If you want a real nice bunny fart load to introduce a new shooter....THAT is the load. It is a start load for .40 cal loaded to 1.255 COAL in my 10mm brass..... it is fun for plinking.
thanks bean,
I set my first handful at 1.260 but need to go closer to 1.255 to make sure they plunk into battery. I'll work up to the 11.8 you are using as I think this could be a great all-around hunting woods carry load. I suspect I'm seeing soot from the lube as you said, the barres both cleaned up shiny with a couple swipes with a patch.
Mike