For me it is a toss up between the 45acp and 357 sig. I really enjoy shooting both and these two are very different shooters.
What is yours?
Pat
.44magnum.
I find myself carrying the 45ACP more often as I traverse more crowded establishments...Why? Bigger bullet, slower and heavy so it may not over penetrate but still provide stopping power. Also should I need to defend myself or family I wouldn't want to have to part with one of my 10's should LEO seize it for evidence. Or have it stolen on a very rare occasion I may have to leave it inside the truck.
I do like many calibers and cartridges with 10mm being my favorite. But I am into the 380, 9mm, 38/357, 357Sig, 9x25Dillon, 40S&W, 10mm, 44spl/mag & 45ACP. Currently studying holsters for the Ruger LCP 380 for carry purposes for deeper concealment when needed.
9x25 dillon or 357 sig
357 sig
.45acp ;D
Next up for me is a 9x23 :o
If I can talk the ol'man into giving up his Sig P226 that he has had forever and never shoots, it will be 357 Sig for me. Ive had this caliber before and I really like it (screen name cough cough). I had a Glock 32 and a Sig SP2022 in the past, but traded it off for something else. At that time, ammo wasn't very common nor was I handloading, but lately I find it often. It only took me 15 years to talk him out of his Browning BLR 308 Win. So it will be a while yet.
But, it will more than likely be a 44 Mag.
You can get good 357 Sig ammo at Gander for $25 a box, same price as 45 ACP.
I think 7.62x25 is really fun. I'd have to say that my next choice would still be 9mm over .45.
after 10mm.....
45 acp
357 sig
9mm
And just occasionally when mood strikes (sometimes in woods when not carrying Glock 20) 357 magnum (4" barrel).
9mm
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Like Sahara Palin said. "I Like Em All"
Quote from: PalmBeach on August 18 2015 08:59:19 PM MDT
Next up for me is a 9x23 :o
http://10mm-firearms.com/handguns/9x23-winchester-from-a-glock-20/msg40637/#msg40637
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300 AAC
22mag and 38 special
Correct answer is there is nothing after 10mm.. ;D
.45 auto
Quote from: rw on August 20 2015 07:23:13 AM MDT
Correct answer is there is nothing after 10mm.. ;D
My choice would have come before the 10mmn what the ten was designed from.....The 41Mag
Quote from: dan10mmman on August 20 2015 01:15:31 PM MDT
My choice would have come before the 10mmn what the ten was designed from.....The 41Mag
10mm was never intended to mimic the .41mag. In fact, the existing full-spec ammo for 10mm (e.g., Underwood, etc.) is quite a bit hotter than the original FBI request (which the FBI later downgraded further, and which then became today's .40S&W). I think we have the Swiss (Norma) to thank for the present-day max-spec 10mm.
Quote from: rw on August 20 2015 07:23:13 AM MDT
Correct answer is there is nothing after 10mm.. ;D
Yeah...I mean, what is this "next caliber"? :P
460 Rowland
45 ACP
Oh gosh, so many calibers to choose from. I'm partial to my .357 Mag revolver, especially whrn I can practice with it with low power .38 special DEWC loads. I think I figured out that with 8 pounds of Red Dot powder, I can reload 26000 of them loads. I usually fire 1 box of the full power magnum loads, followed by 2-3 boxes of my wadcutters.
Probably wont make too many friends for saying this but 9mm. If I'm not carrying a 10mm it's likely a 9mm.
My next favorite is .38 Super.
Quote from: Mike_Fontenot on August 20 2015 03:28:06 PM MDT
Quote from: dan10mmman on August 20 2015 01:15:31 PM MDT
My choice would have come before the 10mmn what the ten was designed from.....The 41Mag
10mm was never intended to mimic the .41mag. In fact, the existing full-spec ammo for 10mm (e.g., Underwood, etc.) is quite a bit hotter than the original FBI request (which the FBI later downgraded further, and which then became today's .40S&W). I think we have the Swiss (Norma) to thank for the present-day max-spec 10mm.
Please keep researching and you will find that when Col. Cooper re-invented the 10mm he was wanting a 41 mag that held more rounds. The original load for the 10mm was a mimic of the 200gr 41 mag load @1200fps
Quote from: dan10mmman on August 22 2015 01:03:46 PM MDT
Quote from: Mike_Fontenot on August 20 2015 03:28:06 PM MDT
Quote from: dan10mmman on August 20 2015 01:15:31 PM MDT
My choice would have come before the 10mmn what the ten was designed from.....The 41Mag
10mm was never intended to mimic the .41mag. In fact, the existing full-spec ammo for 10mm (e.g., Underwood, etc.) is quite a bit hotter than the original FBI request (which the FBI later downgraded further, and which then became today's .40S&W). I think we have the Swiss (Norma) to thank for the present-day max-spec 10mm.
Please keep researching and you will find that when Col. Cooper re-invented the 10mm he was wanting a 41 mag that held more rounds. The original load for the 10mm was a mimic of the 200gr 41 mag load @1200fps
Not so. "Designed from" and "inspired by" are entirely different notions. The .357M was "designed from" the .38Spl. If anything, the 10mm Auto was "inspired by" the .45ACP (which shares infinitely more similarities). If that was Cooper's objective, he failed, miserably. That "200 gr. @1200 FPS" round was a unique cartridge load, a LRN bullet, developed for inner city PD's. Similar FPE with less collateral penetration. The .41AE is a better match for that (which, incidentally, was introduced about a year before the 10mm). The 10mm in its hottest form barely approaces even modest .41M. Full power 10mm from a 6.5" barrel falls well short of .41M from a 4" barrel, and similar barrel lengths are in completely different leagues. 45% greater case capacity, greater cross-sectional area, at similar pressure limits easily says, "you can't get there from here".
9 mm
Quote from: dan10mmman on August 22 2015 01:03:46 PM MDT
The original load for the 10mm was a mimic of the 200gr 41 mag load @1200fps
200gr at 1200 ft/sec is about 639 ft-lbs. Today's full-spec 10mm rounds are in the neighborhood of 700 ft-lbs. Full-spec .44mag rounds are close to 1200 ft-lbs. Full-spec .41mag is not very far below full-spec .44mag ... probably around 1100 ft-lbs or so.
just for instance Winchester silver tips:
Winchester Silver Tip 10mm AUTO ammo for sale is a new production ammo that features 175 Grain Silvertip Hollow Point bullet. 10mm Auto by Winchester ammo is reloadable, features brass cases and Boxer primers. This ammunition is non-corrosive. Super-X jacketed hollow points have notched jackets to ensure positive expansion.
ORDER A CASE OF SILVER TIP 10MM AUTO BULK AMMO
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Muzzle Velocity: 1290 feet per second
Muzzle Energy: 649 ft. lbs.
Caliber: 41 Remington Magnum
Bullet Weight: 175 Grains
Bullet Style: Silvertip Hollow Point
Ballistics Information:
Muzzle Velocity: 1250 fps
Muzzle Energy: 607 ft. lbs.
Quote from: dan10mmman on August 22 2015 11:54:55 PM MDT
just for instance Winchester silver tips:
Winchester Silver Tip 10mm AUTO ammo for sale is a new production ammo that features 175 Grain Silvertip Hollow Point bullet. 10mm Auto by Winchester ammo is reloadable, features brass cases and Boxer primers. This ammunition is non-corrosive. Super-X jacketed hollow points have notched jackets to ensure positive expansion.
ORDER A CASE OF SILVER TIP 10MM AUTO BULK AMMO
RECEIVE FREE SHIPPING...
Muzzle Velocity: 1290 feet per second
Muzzle Energy: 649 ft. lbs.
Caliber: 41 Remington Magnum
Bullet Weight: 175 Grains
Bullet Style: Silvertip Hollow Point
Ballistics Information:
Muzzle Velocity: 1250 fps
Muzzle Energy: 607 ft. lbs.
Never seen that before, but it isn't Winchester, I'm certain. I can believe the .41, but the 10mm is about 300 fps exaggerated. Silvertips are good bullets, but that isn't right. One example of one cartridge performance is no representation of the cartridge. I load and shoot both, and there is NO comparison. Refer to above post.
Muzzle Velocity & Energy values with Winchester's 10mm and 41mag 175gr Silvertip jhp confirmed at Winchester's ballistic comparison webpage (http://www.winchester.com/Products/handgun-ammunition/Performance/Super-X-handgun/Pages/default.aspx).
However, it's in the 210gr, 240gr, 265gr, etc. commercial loadings the 41mag goes to different level.
Quote from: dan10mmman
Caliber: 41 Remington Magnum
Bullet Weight: 175 Grains
Bullet Style: Silvertip Hollow Point
Ballistics Information:
Muzzle Velocity: 1250 fps
Muzzle Energy: 607 ft. lbs.
That's VERY wimpy for .41 magnum ... little more than half of the energy of full-spec .41 magnum.
Quote from: Mike_Fontenot on August 23 2015 11:58:49 AM MDT
Quote from: dan10mmman
Caliber: 41 Remington Magnum
Bullet Weight: 175 Grains
Bullet Style: Silvertip Hollow Point
Ballistics Information:
Muzzle Velocity: 1250 fps
Muzzle Energy: 607 ft. lbs.
That's VERY wimpy for .41 magnum ... little more than half of the energy of full-spec .41 magnum.
Yeah. Mission-specific ammo is what it is. My .41M hunting round is a 180 gr. Barnes XPB at 1610 FPS. Black bear and hogs are DRT. A little more FPE than that Winchester. 30 years ago, Silvertips were stout. Now, the bullets are weak and don't hold up at magnum velocities. I quit using them years ago.
Trying to show the similarities between the 10mm and the 41Mag. These are store bought ammo with the same bullet design and weight.
I am looking through the library trying to find the Quote from Jeff Cooper about him wanting a 41 mag that held more shots is where the 10mm started.
Talking home loads is a whole different world.....I have loaded 10mm 180gr @ 1600+fps, have chrono'd @ 2,000fps out of the carbine
My 41mag hunting load is a 275gr @ 1330fps.....No 10mm is going to go there. But no 41mag will hold 15+1 shells.
Re: What's your next caliber choice after 10mm?
41mag is the closest thing I could find to the 10mm
10mm
45 ACP
41 Magnum
45 GAP
44 Special
357 Mag
44 Mag
9mm
38spcl
50 GI.
44 Magnum, if for no other reason than it's incredible versatility, especially when hand loaded.
9 mm
Ideally 10 mm would be my only handgun cartridge because ballistically it's perfect. But since it's not exactly cheap and plentiful (although my Dillon 650 helps A LOT), I'll back it up with the most common service pistol cartridge in the world - just in case.
Anything with a 4 or better 2 4's
.40. because i can use thesae bullet for my loads. for sd at 1285 ft/sec with a 155 gr XTP 568 ft/bs energy is an adequate round from a g23 and can use a .40 conversion in my G20 and 29sf.
Quote from: Texas 48 on August 30 2015 06:33:00 PM MDT
.40. because i can use thesae bullet for my loads. for sd at 1285 ft/sec with a 155 gr XTP 568 ft/bs energy is an adequate round from a g23 and can use a .40 conversion in my G20 and 29sf.
Give that man a cigar......I almost forgot that I can shoot 40's out of my 10mm
Quote from: dan10mmman on September 02 2015 11:13:55 AM MDT
Give that man a cigar......I almost forgot that I can shoot 40's out of my 10mm
Requires a different barrel, I think, for semi-autos. It's not like a revolver, that can shoot smaller-length cartridges that have the same diameter, without any changes.
Quote from: Mike_Fontenot on September 02 2015 01:40:00 PM MDT
Quote from: dan10mmman on September 02 2015 11:13:55 AM MDT
Give that man a cigar......I almost forgot that I can shoot 40's out of my 10mm
Requires a different barrel, I think, for semi-autos. It's not like a revolver, that can shoot smaller-length cartridges that have the same diameter, without any changes.
While it isn't recommended, most semi-auto 10mm's will fire .40SW just fine without a hitch. A certain level of caution is advised, if you do. I also shoot .40SW out of my RBH 10mm cylinder, although not often (it's a PITA).
My Omega was designed to fire both. In my personal testing, all my 10mm's will eat 40S&W. I may not recommend you trying it, but I did. Not one single problem after multiple mags.
Quote from: DM1906 on September 02 2015 01:49:32 PM MDT
While it isn't recommended, most semi-auto 10mm's will fire .40SW just fine without a hitch.
My comment was based on my (limited) understanding that a rimless semi-auto round headspaces on the forward end of the case being stopped by a reduction in the chamber diameter at the proper point. A shorter round of the same diameter will just continue into the chamber, rather than being held essentially flush with the aft end of the chamber. Rimmed revolver rounds are held in position by the rim, which is too large in diameter to go into the chamber. I THINK that a revolver that shoots rimless rounds requires the use of moon-clips to prevent the cases from going too far into the chamber.
Although theoretically correct, in the real world the cartridge is held to the rear by the extractor. The Omega has two of them to ensure a tight hold. Maybe not the best idea to put the strain on such a small part but it does seem to work.
The RBH [Ruger Black Hawk] mentioned earlier is a single action pistol so no moon clips going to work there. All the revolvers I have had experience with, those firing rimless shells without moon clips can be hard and slow to reload.
Quote from: Mike_Fontenot on September 02 2015 02:05:07 PM MDT
Quote from: DM1906 on September 02 2015 01:49:32 PM MDT
While it isn't recommended, most semi-auto 10mm's will fire .40SW just fine without a hitch.
My comment was based on my (limited) understanding that a rimless semi-auto round headspaces on the forward end of the case being stopped by a reduction in the chamber diameter at the proper point. A shorter round of the same diameter will just continue into the chamber, rather than being held essentially flush with the aft end of the chamber.
Most semi-auto handguns don't really work that way. They don't place the round into the chamber, followed by the breach (which wouldn't work for shorter rounds, as you understand). The breach of the closing action contacts the cartridge head, pushing it forward, toward the chamber. As the cartridge begins centering in the chamber, the case head slides up the breach, engaging the extraction groove onto the extractor. Unless the extractor is excessively worn, or the case head is damaged, the extractor will retain the cartridge firm against the breach. This also occurs with the correct caliber cartridge as well, as nearly every case is not actually the full length of the chamber. There are a couple drawbacks of "short" ammo, though. The round can't be "dropped" into the chamber then action closed. The case head would be ahead of the extractor, and the cartridge would enter the chamber too far to be fired. Also, with the excessive headspace, it would have excessive freebore, affecting consistency, reduces initial chamber pressure, and increases chamber fouling (this is the advised caution).
QuoteRimmed revolver rounds are held in position by the rim, which is too large in diameter to go into the chamber. I THINK that a revolver that shoots rimless rounds requires the use of moon-clips to prevent the cases from going too far into the chamber.
While this is essentially correct, moon-clips aren't the only solution, and moon-clips are VERY impractical for use in a S/A revolver. I use O-rings in the extraction groove of .40SW to headspace them in my Ruger Blackhawk Buckeye Special 10mm cylinder. As I said, it's a PITA to mess with, so I don't do it often. It has no real practical purpose, other than it can be done if necessary.
Quote from: DM1906 on September 02 2015 03:01:07 PM MDT
As the cartridge begins centering in the chamber, the case head slides up the breach, engaging the extraction groove onto the extractor.
[...]
I use O-rings in the extraction groove of .40SW to headspace them in my Ruger Blackhawk Buckeye Special 10mm cylinder.
Thanks ... and thanks to Dan10mmMan for his comments as well. I can see how both of those alternatives work (at least approximately) for headspacing.
Quote from: pacapcop on August 19 2015 06:31:25 PM MDT
Like Sahara Palin said. "I Like Em All"
:o :P
I'd say for me, 45 ACP but I am looking into 45 Super for carbines and 1911s ;D
Also got a bunch of reasonable priced 9mm NATO for carbines, that should do
just fine for some extra "stank" but still be OK for longevity.
Exotics? I do not have anything that I'd call exotic, (like 460R) or even a
good wheel gun, yet. I stand to inherit some nice S&W revolvers from Dad,
but I'm in no hurry for that! I can shoot them anytime I want 8)
10mm in my 1006 and 610,the 610 also shoots the 40S&W for equivalency to reduced 10mm loads,
so after 10mm would be,
41 Magnum
357 Magnum
44 Magnum
9mm
38 special
I reload for all the above so I can reload from mild to 'nuclear'.
I don't hunt,just range use.
Always use lightest bullets for highest velocity and flattest trajectory to 100 yds.
9mm use 90gr 380 bullets
38sp use 110gr bullets
357M use 110-125gr bullets
40S&W/10mm use 155-165gr bullets
41M use 170gr bullets
44M use 180gr bullets
Quote from: oldman10mm on December 27 2015 09:17:48 AM MST
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[a]lways use lightest bullets for highest velocity and flattest trajectory to 100 yds.
[...]
44M use 180gr bullets
I use those too (Underwood's), in my S&W69 that I often carry as primary. I also mix them with some 240gr Underwood XTP's, just to insure complete penetration on at least some of the 5 shots. I don't use those 180gr bullets while the bears are awake, though.
I also mix bullet weights in each magazine of my 10mm 1911 when it has the primary-carry duties: 150gr, 180gr, and 200gr DoubleTap Noslers ... I like to hedge my bets on the penetration/expansion trade-off.
I own what I want (so far). I have been experimenting with the 7.62 X 25. I think the Russians made a mistake by letting the cartridge go. Powerful, accurate controllable. It works well and tears the living daylights out of lighter game fast! I want to play with the hollowpoints being offered in the cartridge at military speeds.
Don't need to buy a new piece to enjoy it.
9mm
If they were a bit more wide spread, a round like a 22 TCM or the 5.7x28 has my interest. Problem is you would have to shoot an FN or a 1911 to give them a shot.
Greg
.45acp please. If I don't have my G29sf for some reason, then my G30sf.
6.8SPCII
9mm or .45acp if were talking handguns. .223/5.56 in rifles.
Quote from: Buckeye 50 on August 18 2015 06:00:21 PM MDT
What's your next caliber choice after 10mm?
For me it is a toss up between the 45acp and 357 sig. I really enjoy shooting both and these two are very different shooters.
What is yours?
Pat
The next caliber for what?
For me 10mm is a specialty round, not a primary round. I got the 10mm to replace my 2" 41 mag revolver. 15 rounds is better than 5, and the energy from a G20 is close to that of a 2" 41 mag revolver.
I like shooting both the 9mm and 45ACP. 9mm is cheaper than 45ACP, but the 45ACP guns feel better in my hands because I have large hands, and guns made for 45ACP have larger frames.
My next specialty round after the 10mm would be my 357mag 4" revolver.
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I like .40 for practice and EDC with S&W Shield.
But my next favorite pistol caliber is 300 BLK. Have 12.5 AR pistol
After the versatile 10mm, I shoot 9mm as a second choice at this point in time. Always open minded towards a different caliber to grow with experience. G20 gen3 G19 gen4. G43
44 Remington Magnum
Quote from: Pablo on December 27 2015 07:51:26 PM MST
6.8SPCII
Showoff!!! 8) :)) ;D
How goes the 10mm Carbine builds, Pablo?
Quote from: undeRGRound on February 18 2016 10:06:40 PM MST
Quote from: Pablo on December 27 2015 07:51:26 PM MST
6.8SPCII
Showoff!!! 8) :)) ;D
How goes the 10mm Carbine builds, Pablo?
The SBR runs pretty decently now. Likes hot ammo, no doubt about that. When it's full of crud, powder puff rounds are no go.
357 sig or 357 mag. Toss up
.357 sig or .400 corbon
45 auto
For me I like the S&W .44 Magnum and the .357 SIG. The only issue I have with the 357 SIG is reloading the 357 SIG case is very hard to do without crushing the case neck. The 40S&W is fun to shoot to . I have a SIG P226 and can change out barrels to fire either .40S&W or 357 SIG.
Dr. Dave have you tried the Dillon 357Sig dies for loading? I use the Dillon, yes they are expensive because the dual carbide sizing sections. I use an RCBS 9mm expander for the case neck expansion and to uniform the tension. I also do the same with the 9x25Dillon cases.
After 10mm, probably my two .357 mag revolvers. I am totally happy with the speed of the bullet, the wide range of bullet weights I can use, the types of bullets. But mainly the fact my normal practice round is a 148 grain DEWC load using a mere 2.8 grains of Red Dot powder. I once calculated I could make 20,000 rounds of these with one 8 pound jug of powder. That is a lot of cheap practice ammo. Takes me a while to shoot that much as it is in either a 6 or 7 shot revolver.