See below link:
http://news.yahoo.com/yellowstone-hiker-probably-killed-grizzly-bear-autopsy-174951664.html
I personally don't know if a 10mm would have made the difference, but it certainly may have helped.
Probably not.
Based on the read the person was not armed, so having any gun probably would not have made a difference.
Having a different mindset would have, at which point a 10mm would have helped.
If he had a Glock 20 and some 220 grain hardcasts we'd still have another RN.
Quote from: sqlbullet on August 12 2015 04:39:03 PM MDT
Probably not.
Based on the read the person was not armed, so having any gun probably would not have made a difference.
Having a different mindset would have, at which point a 10mm would have helped.
True you need the mindset to go along with the weapon.
Quote from: Dave84 on August 12 2015 04:47:28 PM MDT
If he had a Glock 20 and some 220 grain hardcasts we'd still have another RN.
It sure wouldn't have hurt.
I haven't been to Yellostone in 40-some years. Can a civilian even carry in the park? Regardless, if he did, and shot/killed the bear in self defense, he would still be maulled and eaten alive. Just not by the bear.
Good point, DM. He would be eaten alive by the tree huggers for sure.
I am pretty sure you can carry now in Yellowstone:
http://www.nps.gov/appa/learn/management/questions-and-answers.htm
Better to offend a few tree huggers than to end up as bear poop.
We'll never know for certain however, the old adage: "better to have a Glock 20 loaded with 15+1, 220gr hardcast and not need it than to need it and not have it" comes to mind...
When an animal possessing those senses, power, speed, ferocity, has opportunity and sets their sites squarely on you; the slightest glimmer of a fighting chance is likely to be all anyone's going to get.
Quote from: Rojo27 on August 13 2015 06:38:58 AM MDT
We'll never know for certain however, the old adage: "better to have a Glock 20 loaded with 15+1, 220gr hardcast and not need it than to need it and not have it" comes to mind...
When an animal possessing those senses, power, speed, ferocity, has opportunity and sets their sites squarely on you; the slightest glimmer of a fighting chance is likely to be all anyone's going to get.
Yes indeed!
Quote from: Mr. AR50 on August 13 2015 12:22:24 AM MDT
Better to offend a few tree huggers than to end up as bear poop.
No doubt..
(http://www.teryxhq.com/forums/attachments/humor-jokes/1023d1237257648-national-forest-sign-bears-bearwarning.jpg)
Lol.. :))
Hiking alone in Grizzly area without bear spray or sidearm...
Hiker and bear pay ultimate price...
http://news.yahoo.com/yellowstone-park-officials-euthanize-bear-killed-hiker-191317168.html
Interesting side note; this article puts the bear's weight at 259lbs. Which if accurate is obviously more than enough to take down full grown man, yet very much on the small side for mature Griz..
Bear that size would be well inside the 10mm performance envelope (IMO)...
Quote from: Rojo27 on August 13 2015 09:30:49 PM MDT
Hiking alone in Grizzly area without bear spray or sidearm...
Hiker and bear pay ultimate price...
http://news.yahoo.com/yellowstone-park-officials-euthanize-bear-killed-hiker-191317168.html
Interesting side note; this article puts the bear's weight at 259lbs. Which if accurate is obviously more than enough to take down full grown man, yet very much on the small side for mature Griz..
Bear that size would be well inside the 10mm performance envelope (IMO)...
Totally.
Interesting, thanks for the update Rojo.
From the article: "Crosby is the sixth person killed by grizzlies since 2010 in and around Yellowstone"
I didn't realize grizzly / human deaths were this common in the park.
we need a volunteer, would one of you Glock 20 men step forward. ;)
My Glock 20Longslide with 6.2" barrel and the Hottest 200gr HARD bullets? If I could get 10-15 rounds near a vital area, it should do the trick. But that gun still has the very occasional failure to feed......need guys with rifles backing me up. :P :o ;D
Quote from: sliclee on August 30 2015 04:39:42 PM MDT
we need a volunteer, would one of you Glock 20 men step forward. ;)
I mean its not like we look for trouble but a bear that size is meat to the 10mm.
As in most of these silly bear threads very few of the posters have ANY actual experience with large, aggressive bears.
I'd bet that one could dump a mag of 10's into a bear and unless you made a solid CNS hit the bear would still have you. Hitting the brain on a moving bear is going to be rather difficult.
Bears seldom give warning, generally are on you in an instant. So unless you have you weapon out, at the ready...you are toast from the get go.
They are insanely strong and resilient. Bears have taken hits from high powered rifles and have survived for years afterwards.
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h274/montanaguy375/965678_10151977112242296_1189293507_o_zps6b849b7f.jpg) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/montanaguy375/media/965678_10151977112242296_1189293507_o_zps6b849b7f.jpg.html)
Here's a Montana grizzly in the wild.
That's exactly it. No one knows. Anyone with experience is bear scat. Hence my mention of rifle back up. :-X :D
Quote from: Pablo on August 31 2015 11:04:59 AM MDT
That's exactly it. No one knows. Anyone with experience is bear scat. Hence my mention of rifle back up.
I think probably the best thing of all to have is a short-barreled 12 gauge shotgun with slugs.
That or a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.
This retired cop defended himself with a 41 magnum:
http://billingsgazette.com/news/local/retired-police-officer-recounts-bear-mauling/article_9f6b7326-78b7-11de-aab0-001cc4c002e0.html
He was a Baltimore cop? That must have been scary.
Quote from: Pablo on August 31 2015 02:54:46 PM MDT
He was a Baltimore cop? That must have been scary.
Good thing it was a grizzly. If it were a black bear, it would have made national headlines....
"Black Bear Lives Matter"
I wonder what exactly his .41mag was ... his old duty weapon (S&W DA/SA revolver), or maybe a Ruger Blackhawk SA revolver?
Quote from: DM1906 on August 31 2015 03:15:57 PM MDT
Quote from: Pablo on August 31 2015 02:54:46 PM MDT
He was a Baltimore cop? That must have been scary.
Good thing it was a grizzly. If it were a black bear, it would have made national headlines....
"Black Bear Lives Matter"
Lol.. :P
Quote from: Mike_Fontenot on August 31 2015 04:01:00 PM MDT
I wonder what exactly his .41mag was ... his old duty weapon (S&W DA/SA revolver), or maybe a Ruger Blackhawk SA revolver?
Dan Wesson revolver. We have a mutual friend, which is how I know.
Quote from: 4949shooter on August 31 2015 04:25:15 PM MDT
Dan Wesson revolver. We have a mutual friend, which is how I know.
Thanks. Wasn't his old duty weapon, then.