Look, I'm old and half blind. :D Without glasses I can't focus on the pistol sights....front or rear. Any recommendations on a low powered scope for a pistol mount? Plan on using something similar to the one in the link below with the Glock long slide. Something functional at a reasonable price that would work on a picatinny type mount. Not opposed to a red dot type but I know nothing about them either. Only scope I've bought in years was a mil surplus Starlight.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/894997/mako-glock-tactical-scope-mount-all-railed-glock-models
Okay, so I forgot the link. My memory rivals my eyesight. :P
Don't see the link. I would first look to a ruggedized miniature reflex system. They can be had that mount directly into a rear dovetail and give a single plane of focus. They don't add magnification.
Did you mean to post a link showing a scope, or no? I also only see the mount in the link you posted.
Are you opposed to a red dot sight that simply mounts in place of the rear sight on your slide, as opposed to adding a whole other mount to the gun?
I can't follow that link, but if it mounts to the light rail in front of the trigger guard, you'll want to consider something else. That rail is too flexible for a good optics mount, but it's hard to tell how bad it is until you've got something mounted on it.
I wonder if a red dot sight would work for you? Some people with astigmatism find them almost unusable, others don't have a problem. Of course, the "reasonable price" thing might be a problem too, for a slide mounted red dot. Even a low end unit like the Burris Fastfire is a couple hundred dollars or more.
Great points I too suffer old eyes syndrome so I mounted the Burris Fast Fire to my Long Slide and love it both eyes open to glasses and it is light and the gun still sits well in my holster. Easy to mount just uses the dovetail.
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Uhm....yeah, the link was to a mount, not a scope. Of polymer material that mounts to the rail and at the trigger pin on the Glock frame. Perhaps it's not stable enough, that's why I asked as I have no experience using one? The other thing was it allows using the adj site already in the dovetail. I do have some astigmatism if that matters. Guess I'll try looking thru a red dot type sight somewhere and see if it causes any problems. Thanks.
It replaces the rear site I have run hundreds of rounds through the gun no issue with the sight the red dot is small but easy for me to aquire. Yes check them out some folks like them some not so much but it's an option maybe. Good luck with your journey.
Thanks. You have about the same set up I'll have 'when' the barrel finally gets off backorder. I see they make a pica tinny mount for the Burris too. Thought of something like that on a S&W 41 I have that uses that type mounting anyway....... :-\
SB - you have to hang in there for the link to kick in. It acts like a dead link, but will show up in about 10 sec.
Interesting concept for a scope mount.
Quote from: Vice on September 11 2012 05:44:33 AM MDT
SB - you have to hang in there for the link to kick in. It acts like a dead link, but will show up in about 10 sec.
Interesting concept for a scope mount.
I got it. I think on the original post is was missing, and then EdMC edited it and added the link. Originally there was no to be dead.
I really think a red dot is your answer, except for price.
Yeah, I left off the link on the original post. I'm going to look at a few red dot types today. Problem is I know so little about them.......prices are all over the place. I know, no free lunch, but less than a 100 to over 400 is a wide swing. If the settings are easy to change and repeatable I could rationalize the cost by using it on more than one firearm. Or maybe that's too much to ask....... ;D
If you can afford it, you might look at the Leupold Deltapoint. I considered one of these or the Trijicon RMR when I got mine; ended up with the RMR because it's more rugged, but the Deltapoint has less optical distortion and a larger viewing window. If I get another, it will probably be a Deltapoint. They are $400+, but still at least $100 cheaper than the RMR.
I'll take a look at the Deltapoint online.......only ones I saw around town were NcStar.....another dealer recommended against them, said they wouldn't hold their settings and adjustments weren't linear. Figured something would be wrong since the price wasn't bad. ;D
NcStar is generally import garbage.
But, I had a $15 holographic sight from them that sat on my AR-15 for quite some time and never had any issue. I bought about 3 cheap optics for it to try different styles. The idea was that once I decided what optic style I wanted I could spend the big bucks on a good one.
The NcStar worked so well I never spent the big bucks. Many others have not had my luck with their equipment.
Yeah, the internet reviews are 3 to 1 or more negative on the NcStars. I could get one I knew worked out of the box from a local dealer but his prices are 2X internet prices. :o The Deltapoint was well received by the remarks on the Enos forum but that's a chunk of change for something I don't 'need'. Think I'll see how well I do with the Dawson sights I've already installed on the slide. When I finally get the barrel........
Thanks to all, for your comments.
Ed
For open sites I love the Advantage tactical sight they are easy to acquire and I can use them without my glasses.
http://www.advantagetactical.com/
I'm intriqued
I have heard good things from those who have tried that kind of system.
Not sure it would help those of us with aging eyes though. Our issue is old eyes can't bend three different planes into focus. When you are young, you have a crisp front sight, a good rear sight and a slightly fuzzy target. Older you get, the blurrier the target gets and fuzzier the rear sight gets.
I will say this as far defensive handgun sights if I could get them for every defensive handgun I carry I would do it in heart beat they are the most effective sight I have ever used. Put the point of the front triangle on the target and fire. The front sight pops and is easy to acquire, being in my mid fifty range and eyes getting worse I can actually shoot very well with without my glasses and this sighting system.
I'm in my mid fifties as well, and suffer from fuzzy sight syndrome that SB talks about. However, I think that I would be in the same boat as Ramjet; those sights look fast and easy to me as well.
I've been doing some research of my own toward the red dot sight idea, as I'ld like one for my G20.
I've narrowed it down to the Leupold DeltaPoint Reflex sight and the C-more Systems STS Reflex sight (Small Tactical Sight).
I'm undecided at this point on which one I'll eventually choose.
The DeltaPoint features include:
Magnesium Housing
Aspheric Lens (excellent edge to edge sight picture clarity, along with boosting the usable field of view up to 56% depending on eye relief)
Leupold's DiamondCoat on the lens for extreme antiscratching properties.
Waterproof
Auto-Brightness sensor
Handles up to 3500 Gs of impact (most seem to be only tested up to 1500 Gs for other lesser brands)
Motion Sensor Technology (so it turns on automatically when you need it)
Leupold Full Lifetime Guarantee
Weight = .6 ounces (that is NOT a misprint, this thing is ultra lightweight with the magnesium housing and all!)
Windage Adjustment Range = 60 moa
Elevation Adjustment Range = 60 moa
Windage and Elevation adjustments can be locked in place after zeroing.
Choice of 7 moa DeltaPoint triangle "dot", or 3.5 moa dot.
Available in matte black only.
Of special note, one must call Leupold (1-800-LEUPOLD) specifically regarding a mount for the G20 and/or G29, as they don't ship the sight with a mount for either of those two platforms. Beyond that it is not clear if any mount is available for the G20 or G29.
It is required to remove the screws holding this sight to it's base and then flip the sight upside down to replace the battery.
Cost = $400, plus whatever the mount might cost if one is available.
The C-more STS features include:
Aluminum Body
Glass Lens
The lens is hard-coated for maximum scratch resistance (also anti-reflective coated).
Water resistant to 1 meter.
Auto-Brightness setting and Full-On setting.
As for handling recoil forces, they simply say the aircraft alloy housing and electronics are designed to handle the hottest loads from large caliber firearms.
I can't find what they offer for a warranty. Might have to call them about that at 1-888-265-8266.
Weight = 1.16 ounces with a battery, and 1.09 ounces without a battery.
Windage Adjustment Range = 120" @ 100yds
Elevation Adjustment Range = 180" @ 100yds
Windage and Elevation adjustments can be locked in after zeroing.
Of special note regarding windage and elevation adjustments - there are no "clicks", but rather an infinite adjustment amount within the range of adjustment for perfect zeroing capability. Also, as with the DeltaPoint, windage and elevation adjustments can be locked in place.
Choice of 3.5 moa or 7 moa dots available.
Available in Black or Desert Tan.
Kind of nice also that the STS incorporates a slide out, O-ring sealed, battery tray, so one doesn't have to dismount the sight to change out the battery.
Cost Online = $400, plus $46 for G20 mount model STSMT-110.
(http://www.leupold.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/DeltaPoint_Angle_web.jpg?9d7bd4)
(http://www.leupold.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/DeltaPoint_Top_web.jpg?)
(http://www.leupold.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/DeltaPoint_Profile_web.jpg?9d7bd4)
(http://cmore.com/images/STSB_4.jpg)
(http://cmore.com/images/STSB_1.jpg)
(http://cmore.com/images/STSDT_1.jpg)
(http://cmore.com/images/STS-Cover.jpg)
Leupold DeltaPoint - http://www.leupold.com/hunting-shooting/scopes/deltapoint-reflex-sights/deltapoint-reflex-sight-all-mounts/ (http://www.leupold.com/hunting-shooting/scopes/deltapoint-reflex-sights/deltapoint-reflex-sight-all-mounts/)
C-more STS - http://cmore.com/sts.html (http://cmore.com/sts.html)
These two seem to me to be the best models available. Your opinion may vary. Just thought I'ld throw some info out there, since I've already researched it, for curious minds that want to know.
Between those two I'd choose the Leupold for sure. I don't see the slide-out battery tray on the C-more as a benefit; it's not that hard to loosen two screws once a year to change the battery. The Leupold has that auto shut-off feature that is pretty cool.
I'm favoring the Leupold myself. I believe the glass and the coatings on it will offer the most optically correct/clear/least-reflection sight picture. I also like that it has fewer access points to its inards from the outside top and sides. I also suspect it may be more rugged. Otherwise the overall features of both regarding the red dot itself and what not appear to be fine either way.
Leupold some excellent features on that sight.
Well after reading some reviews on line and considering the price difference I have opted to try the new burris fastfireIII, I had to order the bomar mount for the STI plus an adapter plate from arrendaro (sp?) If that doesn't work I'll have to get a custom mount made as I am not keen on getting the slide drilled.
Interested to hear if users find accuracy has improved or any issues associated with the sight falling to bits. I find it hard to believe that these sights can stand the impact shock of sitting on a 10mm slide ;D
Here is my rig with Burris FF II
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Nice. What's the mount? Just curious, what spring and guide are you using on the long slide.
Poly Mount from the Glock Store.
Tungsten Rod with 22 lb spring. From the Glock Store.
Lonewolf comp and barrel and LW Longslide.
Holster by me ;D cross draw love the comfort and quickness of the cross draw.
Thanks.......I got a LW guide with their flat 24# spring and it's binding badly in my LW long slide.
Actually the bottom of the barrel ?
Quote from: Ramjet on October 07 2012 09:18:52 PM MDT
Actually the bottom of the barrel ?
Not sure. Pull the slide back and it slides forward freely....then a little resistance....then a clunk and it goes into battery normally with spring tension. Like the guide rod is suddenly released and slams into the barrel lug. If any of that makes any sense. :D
What I found is the springs where catching on the barrel when they were compressed and because it is flat spring the edges were sharp and the barrel has rather large O.D. if you take the gun apart look at the bottom of the barrel and see if you have burrs (marks) on the barrel just above the spring. If you do clean them off in that area with some fine emery cloth or fine tooth flat file with little pressure problem goes away.
Thanks, I'll take a look. BTW, the OEM guide and spring cycle with no problem.
Difference in the guide diameter I think. With OEM the spring has somewhere to go.
EdMC, can you post some pictures of where it's binding? I have not had binding issues with mine when using that plastic washer LW provides, but severe binding issues without it. Mine would bind up near the front of the guide rod, with the spring coils gouging into the barrel. The plastic washer just spaced the guide rod away from the barrel enough that the spring coils didn't touch it.
I wonder if your spring is a larger diameter? When I talked to the ISMI guy back this spring, he mentioned possibly making some changes, don't know if this was one of them, or maybe it's just a tolerance thing?
If you assemble the top end with the spring in place and slide the barrel back and forth by hand, you should be able to see where and why it's binding.
Yondering I do not have a plastic washer on mine either could you post a pic of that setup?
Quote from: Yondering on October 08 2012 11:12:04 AM MDT
EdMC, can you post some pictures of where it's binding? I have not had binding issues with mine when using that plastic washer LW provides, but severe binding issues without it.
Turned out to be pretty obvious but I was looking inside. :D The retaining screw of the LW stainless rod is just enough larger than the rod to 'catch' on the front of the slide. And, then suddenly release. Once I take care of that it might work a little better. Thanks for the help, I should have noticed that just from the way it was acting.
You mind measuring the screw head on your LW guide rod?
Quote from: Ramjet on October 08 2012 11:23:05 AM MDT
Yondering I do not have a plastic washer on mine either could you post a pic of that setup?
Maybe this will show it well enough. If I remember how to post a photo. :o
(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u142/tayninh1969/Firearms/LWLongslide.jpg)
Quote from: EdMc on October 07 2012 07:53:30 PM MDT
Thanks.......I got a LW guide with their flat 24# spring and it's binding badly in my LW long slide.
Did you install the nylon bushing? You'll have LS issues if you don't. They use to include it only by request at no extra cost (explained in the fine print, but I haven't purchased one in about a year).
Hard to see in the photo above but the washer is under the screw capturing the spring. My problem is the flat of the screw catching on the end of the slide. Where the rod passes through the hole in the slide when the slide is back and the spring compressed. As the slide comes back forward the screw catches on the front of the slide......on the edge of the little hole under the barrel.
I'd never make a living as a technical writer. LOL I found a photo on the internet of the problem. It's not a long slide ....but the same screw being slightly off center and catching on the slide.
(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u142/tayninh1969/Pic2.jpg)
Quote from: EdMc on October 09 2012 05:53:49 AM MDT
Hard to see in the photo above but the washer is under the screw capturing the spring. My problem is the flat of the screw catching on the end of the slide. Where the rod passes through the hole in the slide when the slide is back and the spring compressed. As the slide comes back forward the screw catches on the front of the slide......on the edge of the little hole under the barrel.
I'd never make a living as a technical writer. LOL I found a photo on the internet of the problem. It's not a long slide ....but the same screw being slightly off center and catching on the slide.
(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u142/tayninh1969/Pic2.jpg)
U need the washer. The spring must have a bad bend at the end for the head of the screw to be that far off.
Quote from: EdMc on October 09 2012 05:53:49 AM MDT
Hard to see in the photo above but the washer is under the screw capturing the spring. My problem is the flat of the screw catching on the end of the slide. Where the rod passes through the hole in the slide when the slide is back and the spring compressed. As the slide comes back forward the screw catches on the front of the slide......on the edge of the little hole under the barrel.
I'd never make a living as a technical writer. LOL I found a photo on the internet of the problem. It's not a long slide ....but the same screw being slightly off center and catching on the slide.
I suggest calling LWD. The bushing should center the rod in the hole. Check to be sure the bushing engages the recess in the slide. If it doesn't fit, or is a sloppy fit, the bushing or the recess is wrong (either of them too large or too small). The hole in the bushing should also be a very close fit on the rod.
Quote from: EdMc on October 08 2012 12:50:58 PM MDT
Quote from: Yondering on October 08 2012 11:12:04 AM MDT
EdMC, can you post some pictures of where it's binding? I have not had binding issues with mine when using that plastic washer LW provides, but severe binding issues without it.
Turned out to be pretty obvious but I was looking inside. :D The retaining screw of the LW stainless rod is just enough larger than the rod to 'catch' on the front of the slide. And, then suddenly release. Once I take care of that it might work a little better. Thanks for the help, I should have noticed that just from the way it was acting.
You mind measuring the screw head on your LW guide rod?
You know, now that you mention it, I think I had to turn down the head of the screw on my LW rod too, for the same reason. I'd completely forgotten about that. I will check, and measure mine tonight.
I'll post a pic if someone else doesn't beat me to it.
Thanks DM. I got three of the washers when I ordered the other parts. They fit the recess in the slide with the ID enough for an easy sliding fit on the guide. I'm going to just try a cap head screw in place of the screw from LW. Slightly smaller diameter but enough to hold the washer. It was the 'fix' used in the thread I 'stole' the photo from. It cycles manually w/o catching......shoot it later today and see how it works out.
Yondering......the screw head looks like LW had already turned it down some. I'm going to try the cap head as stated above. Maybe I'll get lucky... ;D
Quote from: EdMc on September 12 2012 11:34:38 AM MDT
Yeah, the internet reviews are 3 to 1 or more negative on the NcStars. I could get one I knew worked out of the box from a local dealer but his prices are 2X internet prices. :o The Deltapoint was well received by the remarks on the Enos forum but that's a chunk of change for something I don't 'need'. Think I'll see how well I do with the Dawson sights I've already installed on the slide. When I finally get the barrel........
Thanks to all, for your comments.
Ed
Maybe I missed something. But did you get the barrel? And what barrel is it you're going to get, or waiting for? If you now have the barrel, how have the Dawson sights turned out?
Redline......I posted a follow up in the original thread in Gunsmithing under Long Slide. ;D
The barrel was a 6.61 inch LW, threaded. I finally bought a used one from a member of this forum. LW had then in stock about a week later. heh... Anyway, I was getting smileys with loads that worked okay in a std Glock barrel and thought the bore looked a little rough. I'm taking Yondering's advice to polish the chamber and moderately fire lap the barrel......when I get around to it.
With the 23 lb spring the setup wouldn't function well with lighter loads (Atlanta Arms 180) ......no problems with warmer hand loads. To answer your question I haven't fired it enough to comment on the Dawson sights.
Of late I've tried loading some 357 Sig but the expander ball on the RCBS die was too large and crushed the cases. They're sending a new one.......seems everything I've done lately has turned to _ _ _ _. Maybe after the holiday my luck will turn around. LOL
My bad! :-[ I should have caught that.
Thanks for being considerate to the extent of filling me in here anyway.
I sure hope that Lone Wolf barrel works out for you in the end. Pretty sad about the smileys showing up with the LW barrel.
Hopefully the Dawson sights work for you, just being that it saves a lot of money over going with optics.
It's good to hear RCBS is standing behind their products.
Put Dawson adjustable rear/Dawson FO fronts on my g31 and g20; takes time to fit the rear but easy enough to do. The fronts came with both red and green rods. For some reason the green seems less fuzzy than the red. Im 66 years old and need progressive bifocals but these sights are great to use.
Dennis