The next time I debate a liberal on gun control, and it's complete and total failure, I'm going to have this video playing in my living room.
http://if.inboxfirst.com/ga/click/2-1587224-6-77105-165054-1602110-4607c6a399-6eb10d3482
Quote from: Mr. AR50 on July 17 2015 08:58:03 PM MDT
The next time I debate a liberal on gun control, and it's complete and total failure, I'm going to have this video playing in my living room.
http://if.inboxfirst.com/ga/click/2-1587224-6-77105-165054-1602110-4607c6a399-6eb10d3482
Attempting to debate or even discuss much of anything with a Liber-Tard is like pissing into the wind. I'm pretty much done trying to talk to friends or family that are of the "i'm as dumb as a bag of hair" Lib variety, you're better served talking to your dog or cat~ the dog or cat has more to contribute to the discussion anyway.
I do debate with them.
First I attack (nicely) the false assumption that government can prevent someone from harming you. They can't!!! Ask them "How long would it be for a cop to walk through that door if you dialed 911?", then set an egg timer. Then ask "What is your plan if a drug crazed criminal walks through that door right now?" Most have no idea. Eventually the egg timer goes off. How much could a criminal do in that much time? The government agencies cannot get there in time. They don't want to think about that, but its really hard to argue that they could really help in time, even for an ultra-lib.
Next would be the simple concept that the stronger person wins, no matter what. If an person with a MMA background walked through my door, I wouldn't be able to do much to stop him. If I was a smaller female, that would extend to nearly the whole population that could overpower and have their way. They might have a knife. They might have a club. They might strangle, batter, kidnap, kill, rape... Nothing could be done to stop them. Is that the world they seek? Is it??? Firearms are a great equalizer. It gives the smallest lady equal footing with the biggest, baddest bad man. Which way is better...?
Then would come the "But if there were no guns..." argument. That is a fallacy too, and that needs to be addressed. Bad guys would have them. That would just ensure that they would meet little resistance while doing evil deeds. Good guys loose...
Then its time to take them to the range. On the way there discuss what if one person in the Colorado theater had been armed. What about if one teacher or administrator in the school shootings could respond in a timely manner? What if some trained individuals carried rather than a totally "gun free zone". I know if I were there in an active shooter situation, I'd want a good guy with a gun to be able to confront a bad guy with a gun.
A discussion about gun safety before a session might start to break down the "evil gun" thoughts. Getting a few rounds down range will usually be fun for them.
And the foundation of their anti-gun stance will be a little bit weaker.
Greg
Government is God. They certainly don't have an open mind about anything that isn't in their rut to a socialist world.
Being facetious here...The government did great job protecting those 4 marines a few days ago! ::)
May they rest in peace, may the islamic perp burn in eternal damnation of hell...glad his ass is dead!
Quote from: Pablo on July 18 2015 06:16:42 AM MDT
Government is God. They certainly don't have an open mind about anything that isn't in their rut to a socialist world.
Goverment and PBS are King, "fairness", and "the feeeeeeeee-lings of others" TRUMPS ALL ELSE.
LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER
90% of Americans own guns is the highest % in the world.
That means a lot of liberals also own guns.
Quote from: Wolfie on July 18 2015 02:31:00 PM MDT
90% of Americans own guns is the highest % in the world.
That means a lot of liberals also own guns.
The statistic was AVERAGE # of guns per "resident". Not sure exactly what "resident" implies ... probably doesn't include kids, I'd suspect. Many people who own a gun own many more than one gun. And the average number of guns per Republican could be quite a bit different than the average per Democrat (or conservative vs liberal).
But it IS true that there are a lot of gun owners who aren't members of the NRA ... irresponsible of them, in my opinion. And there are a lot of gun owners who vote for politicians who would prefer that ordinary people not be allowed to have guns ... also irresponsible, in my opinion.
Quote from: Brian B. on July 18 2015 08:31:39 AM MDT
Goverment and PBS are King, "fairness", and "the feeeeeeeee-lings of others" TRUMPS ALL ELSE.
Or Freeeeeeeee-things
Greg
I am a Democrat and I own many guns most 1911's in all calibers.
I quit the NRA when they called me bootjacked thug. I then joined the NYS affiliate and wrote many letters to them telling them not to trust the GOP. Of course they did not listen and the GOP facilitated the NYS SAFE Act.
The NRA has become a agent of the GOP, it will doom them in the future.
After all besides guns, when have Republicans ever stopped liberals?
PS: Before anyone calls me a liberal you better come correct, I live a very conservative lifestyle.
Quote from: The_Shadow on July 18 2015 08:10:51 AM MDT
Being facetious here...The government did great job protecting those 4 marines a few days ago! ::)
May they rest in peace, may the islamic perp burn in eternal damnation of hell...glad his ass is dead!
Exactly! That's the point of this post, Shadow. Another gun-free zone cost more innocent Americans, this time 4 Marines, their lives. When in the hell are these politicians, especially the current administration, going to wake up and realize that CRIMINALS DO NOT OBEY THE LAW, especially where guns are concerned, that's why they're called criminals. Gun control, in it's many forms, doesn't do a damn thing to prevent crime. If it did, then Chicago, Los Angeles, Washington DC, and other cities like them, with very strict firearms laws, would be some of the safest cities in the world. Instead, the only people affected by these laws are law abiding citizens, who lose their ability to protect themselves with each restriction that's passed.
Quote from: Wolfie on July 18 2015 07:26:32 PM MDT
PS: Before anyone calls me a liberal you better come correct, I live a very conservative lifestyle.
Sorry, Wolfie. All we have to go by is what you post, and what you post is some of the most hypocritical (family values, for example, :-\ ), trolling liberal garbage on this site.
So, sorry, can't see your
lifestyle, only your words. That's what matters.
Wolfie you have admitted you are a Democrat, nothing you say our think from this point on matters because you are in fact DUMB AS A BAG OF HAIR.
Now please find somewhere else to troll you Obama defending jack ass.
Too bad it always comes down to this.
First, it is necessary to sell what you believe in. To just call names and burn bridges just guarantees that it will be worse down the road. Respect is a necessary starting point to dialog. I'm not saying you have to give an inch, but you should at least have a measure of empathy and see if you can understand where the other guy comes from.
Second, some are bought and paid for. Their belief is nothing more than voting in their own self interest. I believe that is the case here.
Third, establishment politics are the problem here. I don't care which party, both have effectively built machines that are geared to keep outsiders out, and more government is of benefit to both sides.
How long have the Republicans held both houses of congress, and how many vetos have they forced Obama to sign. The Republicans are just as bad as the Dems, and the Dems are really bad.
Greg
My joke is that Republicans are wrong because they don't do what they say and Democrats are bad because they do.
Rich I am pro family values.
The GOP let gay marriage happen. Let me go further, if you marry or procreate outside your race you are a LIBERAL. If you are pro gay you are a LIBERAL. My wife and kids all look alike.
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Brian you call me dumb? Bet you voted for the guys who ran on stopping Obama, the gays, Obamacare and illegals. If I am dumb what does that make you?
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Geeman and 10mmfan at least have open minds and don't drink anyones KoolAid.
Quote from: Wolfie on July 19 2015 05:27:55 PM MDT
Rich I am pro family values.
The GOP let gay marriage happen. Let me go further, if you marry or procreate outside your race you are a LIBERAL. If you are pro gay you are a LIBERAL. My wife and kids all look alike.
I think I finally figured out why you post the junk you do. You really have bent views about what the definition of a conservative is. Conservatives have nothing in their platform that is against interracial marriage.... if that's what I think you are saying. You seem awfully closed minded, that's for sure.
Quote from: 10mmfan on July 19 2015 03:14:14 PM MDT
My joke is that Republicans are wrong because they don't do what they say and Democrats are bad because they do.
I agree.
Pablo keep thinking real conservatives are for marrying outside their races.
Or you could look at this as another liberal win.
You decide.
Quote from: Wolfie on July 19 2015 05:50:16 PM MDT
Pablo keep thinking real conservatives are for marrying outside their races.
Or you could look at this as another liberal win.
You decide.
No. You are wrong. You've built your logic on a soft foundation. Real Constitutional Conservatives have never been against races marrying. My wife is definitely not the same race as me.
And I should add your ideas of liberals always winning is specious. Counting the murder of unborn children or the war on poverty as wins is stretching it.
Pablo nothing wrong with being a liberal.
Trust me on this, you will never win this argument.
btw: I am pro Life also, I include that in being pro family values, try again.
Quote from: Wolfie on July 19 2015 06:10:27 PM MDT
Pablo nothing wrong with being a liberal.
Trust me on this, you will never win this argument.
btw: I am pro Life also, I include that in being pro family values, try again.
Thats right Wolfie, every thread you post in somehow turns to focus on you and your nonsense.
Its all about you and your particular genious~ that about sum it up?
PEOPLE LIKE YOU HAVE RUINED, AND CONTINUE TO RUIN THIS GREAT COUNTRY.
Please go elsewhere and troll your leftist psycho-babble, no one cares. No one wants to hear about your self centered leftist world view. Couldnt you please simply go away?
People like me?
Veteran, decorated Police Officer. One time married church going family and,,,,,,,,
I ruined the country?
You jest, don't go away mad, just go away.
PS: I prefer to talk about guns that's why I joined this blog. You girls bring up the politics. Keep the politics out and I will not embarrass you.
Quote from: Wolfie on July 19 2015 06:32:44 PM MDT
People like me?
Veteran, decorated Police Officer. One time married church going family and,,,,,,,,
I ruined the country?
You jest, don't go away mad, just go away.
PS: I prefer to talk about guns that's why I joined this blog. You girls bring up the politics. Keep the politics out and I will not embarrass you.
Again/ ITS ALL ABOUT WOLFIE,.. EVERYONE FOCUS THEIR ATTENTION ON WOLFIE..
You embarrass yourself Wolfie. You embarrass yourself.
You keep talking about me BB.
Quote from: Wolfie on July 19 2015 06:40:00 PM MDT
You keep talking about me BB.
Man Wolfie, i'm sh@tty,.. That Keystone Ice is some ROUGH STUFF!, no wonder your kind 'be drankin' 'num all the time.. WOWZER.. I have this urge to slap my wife and call her a "ho",.. (?whats that all about?)
(B@tch betta' have my money!!)
I WANNA VOTE DEMOCRAT! Bwah ha ha,.. Beer, NOT CRACK OR METH,.. No amount of alcohol could ever make me want to stuff my head in my a$$!