I know that ones in the know say that 800X meters like crap , with a slide bar type powder measure . I would like to know if an RCBS Charge Master would work ? Each charge would be weighted in the drop pan .
I just picked up some 800X at Bass Pro. ,
TIA
It will vary but I use 800x in my Dillon 650 without too much headache. I found that if you ran very smooth and consistent rate , accuracy isn't too horrible. I just avoid using max charge to keep from getting variability that is above max data
Agreed.. even with the Lee powder dumps you can keep it in a range fairly consistent.
It's just you have to be happy with +/- .3 grains. :)
Can't help you w/ the RCBS, but I use the Hornady LnL measure and it works "ok" with the larger diameter "rifle" insert. I can get +/- 0.3, but occasionally throw a -1.5 which is obvious before setting a bullet on it. I'll never buy 800x again. Got 1lb left.
I use a RCBS charge master. Most of the time, it will throw the requested charge. occasionally, it will be .002-.003 above the requested amount. I am happy with it.
Yes it works great on the Chargemaster! I normally run 100 - 200 at a time and I might get a few that drop a clump on the trickle speed and go over by a 1/10 of a grain. I just dump it back in the hopper, put the pan back on the scale, and it automatically starts to drop another load. Easy and works great for 800X. It is not very fast though, slower than using a Uniflow, but if you want spot on weights, I love it.
Quote from: Osageid on July 03 2015 06:34:33 AM MDT
It will vary but I use 800x in my Dillon 650 without too much headache. I found that if you ran very smooth and consistent rate , accuracy isn't too horrible. I just avoid using max charge to keep from getting variability that is above max data
Thank you very much for your post , and your help . I have a Dillon 650 , but I thought that the 800X wouldn't meter well with the slide bar drop . I thought I would have to weigh every charge .
tommac919 , Thank you very much for the help , and input.
Quote from: Denver1911 on July 03 2015 12:16:01 PM MDT
Can't help you w/ the RCBS, but I use the Hornady LnL measure and it works "ok" with the larger diameter "rifle" insert. I can get +/- 0.3, but occasionally throw a -1.5 which is obvious before setting a bullet on it. I'll never buy 800x again. Got 1lb left.
Thank you very much for your post and input .
Quote from: jiminthe burg on July 03 2015 03:53:13 PM MDT
I use a RCBS charge master. Most of the time, it will throw the requested charge. occasionally, it will be .002-.003 above the requested amount. I am happy with it.
Thank you very much for your help . I think if the charge master gets it that close the should be good for me as well .
Quote from: cwall64 on July 03 2015 04:42:02 PM MDT
Yes it works great on the Chargemaster! I normally run 100 - 200 at a time and I might get a few that drop a clump on the trickle speed and go over by a 1/10 of a grain. I just dump it back in the hopper, put the pan back on the scale, and it automatically starts to drop another load. Easy and works great for 800X. It is not very fast though, slower than using a Uniflow, but if you want spot on weights, I love it.
Thank you very much for your help . I don't need to be fast .
I use a lee dipper, a trickler and a scale to weigh every charge. It's slower than using a powder dispenser sure, but I can still do 100 cases in an hour.
Wadcutter , Thank you for your help , and the info .
Quote from: wadcutter on July 09 2015 11:29:13 AM MDT
I use a lee dipper, snipped
Still have a set of the Lee dippers... and they can be fairly accurate.... If your consistent with the fill/tap level , the amount can be +/- a few tenths.
Picking a load in mid range gives enough safety factor and allows ( for me anyway ) for a fairly fast fill rate of cases when i'm not near the upper end of the load range.
I've been experimenting with 800X in the 10mm for a little while now and I'm not impressed. The accuracy just isn't their with the loads I've worked up so far. I've had better success with 800X in the 357 and 44 Magnum believe it or not.
Hi
My experience in manufacturing processes over 45 years has taught me one thing in particular. Volumetric metering of powdered materials is generally accurate to +/- 2%. If that variance ( s2 is acceptable, use it. If it is not acceptable don't use it. In my reloading over the past 25 years, I have yet to have an issue using a Dillon Slide bar. If I am loading max loads, I hand weigh every charge.
Don
The lee dippers are another option for volumetric measuring.
The other option if you load is close enough to max not to tolerate a small overage is to calibrate of +0/-X where X is the deviation on your drop.
Im with Wadcutter, either a dipper to get you just short of the desired weight, then dribble the last few grains. I usually just use the dipper to shake individual grains on the pan. I use an elector scale just for convenience, since you don't have to wait for pan, beam motion to subside between dumps.
Good quality beam scales have the magnetic dampening system, so they don't continuously bounce to infinity and beyond!
I use my RCBS 5-10 scale which settles very nicely because of its dampening setup.
I also use the RCBS Uniflow powder drop with the small drum which has worked very well with 800X, but I do set the drop just short and kernel a flake or two or three to level the scale...it is because I work at the upper limits with 800X, that I want to see and verify each and every load. I load myself custom Match Grade quality ammo, so I take my time to produce them.
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Quote from: wadcutter on July 09 2015 11:29:13 AM MDT
I use a lee dipper, a trickler and a scale to weigh every charge. It's slower than using a powder dispenser sure, but I can still do 100 cases in an hour.
I do the exact same thing as you when using 800x. Consequently, my 800X load is my most accurate and I attribute this to hand weighing each and every charge.