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It be broke testing it for reliability before I'd carry it.
Thank you for your input .
IF I lived in a small apartment, I might consider them. They have proven to be fatal in short ranges. Longer ranges or heavier clothing however, not so much.
Not only that, but I picked the 10mm for SD because I wanted penetration. I am not going to compromise that by picking ammo that is designed not to penetrate. If I carried consistently somewhere that this was a real concern, I would go to a different cartridge that carried less energy.
Pinsnscrews , Thank you for your input
Quote from: sqlbullet on June 11 2015 04:39:22 PM MDT
Not only that, but I picked the 10mm for SD because I wanted penetration. I am not going to compromise that by picking ammo that is designed not to penetrate. If I carried consistently somewhere that this was a real concern, I would go to a different cartridge that carried less energy.
They say it is high energy , but the chances of shooting through a BG is less . Muzzle Velocity: 1650 fps
Muzzle Energy: 695 ft lbs
I am not promoting this ammunition , just want input ,and opinions
Might be a good option for home defense. As was mentioned, I would test for reliability.
I don't know about the Blue , but it says the Silver is loaded by Cor-Bon
I believe the silvers are listed on Corbon's website.
I'd rather have Underwood 140 grain controlled fragmenting hollow points if I was worried about over penetration. I have some for my 10mms $38 for a box of 20. Everything I've ever got from Underwood is first class.
If I was that concerned about penetration I wouldn't be using a 10mm I'd use my 9mm with higher capacity.
Quote from: Tomcat 10 on June 11 2015 05:38:05 PM MDT
They say it is high energy , but the chances of shooting through a BG is less . Muzzle Velocity: 1650 fps
Muzzle Energy: 695 ft lbs
I am not promoting this ammunition , just want input ,and opinions
Yeah...I know the marketing claims. I remember when Glaser was the new kid on the block in the late '80's.
The bad news for the energy claims is energy isn't what stops a bad guy. There are two things that reliably stop an aggressor.
A central nervous system hit, which requires penetration but not energy. I have dropped many a yearling cow with a single 40 grain 22 LR solid to the head. That is about 90 lb-ft of energy. Every one rolled up their legs and fell on the spot, dead before gravity pulled them to the ground.
Exsanguination, which is a $25 word for severe loss of blood. And when getting someone who is trying to do you harm to bleed out, two holes are better than one.
Energy starts to play a role in this second scenario as a larger wound cavity will bleed more, and creates more likelihood of a disruption to a major artery or vein.
But, a rifle beats a pistol always and a 223 with the right ammo offers great would cavities, due to tumbling, and low barrier penetration in homes, also due to tumbling. A Glaser in .400 is not long enough relative to speed and spin to be unstable in this way.
So, the end result is there are much better options in defense calibers that don't compromise nearly as much in terminal performance while still offering a reasonable chance of being stopped, or rendered highly ineffective, by a couple sheets of wall board. And those options are far less money, so you can actually practice with them. And practice results in not missing in the first place.
Quote from: 10mmfan on June 11 2015 07:34:54 PM MDT
If I was that concerned about penetration I wouldn't be using a 10mm I'd use my 9mm with higher capacity.
A 9mm 115 GR. FMJ will give you more penetration than you want . That's why Law enforcement agencies went with hollow point ammunition .
I had/have some in 357 magnum and 9mm. I shot them into wet phone-books, watermelons, water-jugs, and a few other things. I was not impressed. They didn't work any better than hollow-points or FMJ.
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i believe law enforcement uses 9mm due to ammo cost & low recoil.
penetration is always king, (in a controlled firearm)
I have a few packs of the safety slugs, which I acquired in a trade.
I haven't performed a formal test. but visually measuring hole diameter / depth in Louisiana mud, the doubletap frangible performed better.
If I were in a situation where I was using Glasers due to the possibility of Non-Combatant Collateral Damage (IE: crowded apartment building) I would not treat the Glaser as an Instant Fight Ender. It does, and has proven to be so in actual self defense situations, but not enough times for me to rely on a 1-2 shot fight stopper.
Not a chance. Ridiculously shallow penetration.
There's a test of a couple Magsafe loads on my channel, if you're interested. Same concept.
I would much rather use a low weight at high velocity than use these. Now I have shot a deer with DRT loaded to 1800 FPS from my LW and that deer dropped and never wiggled an ear. But the DRT are different than the safety Slug.
The Underwood 135 grain Nosler might be an excellent choice.
Inadequate penetration.
Quote from: Raggedyman on June 16 2015 09:03:00 AM MDT
Inadequate penetration.
Thank you very much for your input .
Full disclosure: I've never actually owned or shot any Safety Slugs (mostly due to cost and sheer skepticism) but I've seen a whole bunch of videos and read quite a few write-ups on the particular ammunition you're talking about (as well as the silver Safety Slugs) and everyone is usually in agreement: they mostly do what they advertise. And what they're advertised to do is penetrate very little (whether in the interests of ricochet or over-penetration mitigation) even when placing a direct hit on target. Regarding your specific question, no, I don't use them for personal protection for exactly the same reason they're designed the way they are: they just don't penetrate deep enough and, for me, that's not a desirable trait. If that's what you want then by all means use it because they tend to excel at that as do several other super-light-weight rounds currently in production. Your priorities in a defensive ammunition choice are your own personal choice so if you prefer a round that produces results like the Safety Slug then that's what you should get. If you want more penetration, but still less than 10"-12" I'd recommend a light weight hollow point on the order of 135gr or so. My personal choice is a little heavier: the 155gr XTPs loaded by Underwood.
Thank you very much for your input .