I got my Pearce grip extensions today and WTF is the deal with not only pushing the baseplate button in but pinching the side walls of the magazine to get over the little tabs. Ffffffuuuucc
It's a Glock thing. There's an app for that. Use a C-clamp to help with compressing the sides. Not too much pressure, just enough to clear the tabs.
Or just push hard. On mine they just pop off after a certain force is reached.
Quote from: sqlbullet on August 29 2012 07:40:26 AM MDT
Or just push hard. On mine they just pop off after a certain force is reached.
True, a lot of the time. I have some mags that are an absolute bear to take down, requiring a bit more than bare hands. Several of my 10 round (CA) mags are very difficult, due to the "rail" stamped into the steel making them more rigid.
LOL. Yeah, they can be a bear. I try to see it as a major plus over something loose and sloppy that won't hold together in the first place. Plus, it's not something needing to be done often anyway. But yeah, I hear ya!
Drastic Plastic.
I own a few Glocks, but I am no Glock Fanboy. :)
Good video.
Thanks for posting! :)
Another reason I continue to carry and shoot weapons made of real metal. I would imagine that the magazines have a very limited life.
I mean, how many times can you "snap" the baseplate over the rails before you start to break them down, chip edges, etc. Buy a Witness 10mm
and enjoy for a lifetime. Add a Aluminum baseplate from Hennings which will never fail or snap or unload at the wrong time.
Glocks are "wrong" on so many levels.
Goldbead, I have to offer a counterpoint to your comments. Your experience with Witness guns must be very different from many other owners.
Mags don't get broken down that often. Maybe once a year to run a brush through them. I would guess those little plastic tabs would last about 200 years at that rate. And...the tabs are a secondary retention system on the magazine. The base pad also has the normal tab/hole primary system like the Witness mags.
I get you don't like Glocks. That is fine. But, to extrapolate that the mags will have a limited life is not really supported by the data to which I have access. And if you take the red follower Witness mags into account then the Glock factory mags over the last 5 years are far better than the Witness mags.
PS/off topic
For the record, If I am a fanboy, I am a 1911 fanboy, not a glock fanboy. I have owned two Glocks in my life, and only own one right now. It is only my carry gun when my 1911's are to big/heavy for the attire. I don't really like Glocks personally either. But it is just a personal preference.
I also have two EAA Witness's in 10mm. A full size and a Match. And both have run the last 2000-3000 rounds without a hiccup in my hands, except for 1 known limitation of the full-size (doesn't like 200 grain + bullets at full power).
The Elite series of guns I highly recommend to anyone looking for a steel high capacity 10mm. My Match has been reliable from day one.
But, my full-size did not run well from day one. Around 300 rounds it settled in has been great since then, excepting the above ammo. I don't know if that was break-in finally catching up, or if the wolff +10% mag springs made the difference.
I don't recommend standard full-size Witnesses in 10mm to people without the caveat....Mine needed time and or tinkering to settle in. Many have experienced cracked slides. The frames on both mine are cracked behind the mag release, which is a non-critical area and doesn't bother me, but would bother some.
My Glock on the other hand is dead nuts reliable. Any ammo, anytime...Just runs. The only complaint I have with a Glock is I kinda like to tinker and it gives me very little reason to do so. No thumb safety or hammer to fiddle with when dry-firing. No reason to mess with springs or triggers or whatever.
Just a different point of view.
I don't have much a problem, I guess if your used to a different make mag it will bother you.
And correct me if I'm wrong but glock mags are steel wrapped in plastic.
I think you are correct Rick.
I agree there is no need to break down Glock mags that often. I just wipe them down, depressing the follower and getting in there with a patch or Q tip.
My Gen 2 G23 mags I broke down a few times to clean, as this was my first Glock. Realizing this to be unnecessary, I haven't broken down the mags on my other 4 Glocks. I just clean them as described above.
Maybe after 10,000 rounds I will break them down, but after that many rounds I will swap out the magazine springs for fresh ones anyway.
Quote from: 4949shooter on September 15 2012 08:03:55 AM MDT
I agree there is no need to break down Glock mags that often. I just wipe them down, depressing the follower and getting in there with a patch or Q tip.
My Gen 2 G23 mags I broke down a few times to clean, as this was my first Glock. Realizing this to be unnecessary, I haven't broken down the mags on my other 4 Glocks. I just clean them as described above.
Maybe after 10,000 rounds I will break them down, but after that many rounds I will swap out the magazine springs for fresh ones anyway.
Me too, and, Agree.
Quote from: GoldBead on September 13 2012 07:17:46 AM MDT
Another reason I continue to carry and shoot weapons made of real metal. I would imagine that the magazines have a very limited life.
I mean, how many times can you "snap" the baseplate over the rails before you start to break them down, chip edges, etc. Buy a Witness 10mm
and enjoy for a lifetime. Add a Aluminum baseplate from Hennings which will never fail or snap or unload at the wrong time.
Glocks are "wrong" on so many levels.
You my friend, are wrong on so many levels. My glock 20, and everyone else's, will hold up better and longer than any other 10mm you have, or anyone else has. If you dont believe this, I challenge you to a one day, 2500 round shooting test with real "original Norma" (thats 200gr at 1200 fps or better) loadings. The Glock will leave the Witness crying!
You dont have to like Glocks, thats ok, because i dont like the Witness very much myself. Nothing against it, just personal preference. But please dont blow smoke. The Glock 20 will take more of a beating and keep on ticking than your Witness.
Quote from: sqlbullet on September 13 2012 08:50:13 AM MDT
Goldbead, I have to offer a counterpoint to your comments. Your experience with Witness guns must be very different from many other owners.
Mags don't get broken down that often. Maybe once a year to run a brush through them. I would guess those little plastic tabs would last about 200 years at that rate. And...the tabs are a secondary retention system on the magazine. The base pad also has the normal tab/hole primary system like the Witness mags.
I get you don't like Glocks. That is fine. But, to extrapolate that the mags will have a limited life is not really supported by the data to which I have access. And if you take the red follower Witness mags into account then the Glock factory mags over the last 5 years are far better than the Witness mags.
PS/off topic
For the record, If I am a fanboy, I am a 1911 fanboy, not a glock fanboy. I have owned two Glocks in my life, and only own one right now. It is only my carry gun when my 1911's are to big/heavy for the attire. I don't really like Glocks personally either. But it is just a personal preference.
I also have two EAA Witness's in 10mm. A full size and a Match. And both have run the last 2000-3000 rounds without a hiccup in my hands, except for 1 known limitation of the full-size (doesn't like 200 grain + bullets at full power).
The Elite series of guns I highly recommend to anyone looking for a steel high capacity 10mm. My Match has been reliable from day one.
But, my full-size did not run well from day one. Around 300 rounds it settled in has been great since then, excepting the above ammo. I don't know if that was break-in finally catching up, or if the wolff +10% mag springs made the difference.
I don't recommend standard full-size Witnesses in 10mm to people without the caveat....Mine needed time and or tinkering to settle in. Many have experienced cracked slides. The frames on both mine are cracked behind the mag release, which is a non-critical area and doesn't bother me, but would bother some.
My Glock on the other hand is dead nuts reliable. Any ammo, anytime...Just runs. The only complaint I have with a Glock is I kinda like to tinker and it gives me very little reason to do so. No thumb safety or hammer to fiddle with when dry-firing. No reason to mess with springs or triggers or whatever.
Just a different point of view.
Very well put ;)
Well the Glocks are good to go guns but I'd have to refer you to this article with a torture test of the S&W 1006...Post #4
http://10mm-firearms.com/10mm-semi-auto-handguns/sw10xx-series-information/ (http://10mm-firearms.com/10mm-semi-auto-handguns/sw10xx-series-information/)
What's not to like about 15 + 1 rounds of 180 grain 1300 fps goodness?
I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest; NOTHING. :D
Quote from: REDLINE on September 30 2012 12:45:51 PM MDT
I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest; NOTHING. :D
Well that changes everything!!!! Haha
;D
+1 for the GUTL.