I've been wanting to get a 10mm for some time and now I'm having an issue choosing which 10mm pistol to purchase.
I like the price on the RIA, but I'm concerned since some have had issues with their 10mm in the past...seems like issues aren't as common as they once were. I already have 1911 holsters, so that would be a big plus with going with the RIA. Another plus is I'd want to carry the 10mm and a 1911 isn't an issue for me to carry. I'm not too concerned about having 8rds, but of course I wouldn't mind having 15rds available.
I am also considering EAA Elite Match, Stock, etc etc. I actually found a used hunter for a good price as well. With EAA I'm concerned that it won't fit my hand well. I handled an Elite Match in 9mm a few years ago and it wasn't bad. A G20 is just slightly too wide for my comfort level, so Glock is out. I like the capacity of EAA, but I don't hear too many on this forum stating that they carry their EAA pistols. I doubt I'd go with the polymer 10mm.
There are some locals selling Elite Match...the one guy has an EM in 9mm along with a 10mm conversion slide.
I know that in the end it will be my final decision.
What I need is a pistol I can carry. Ammo capacity is nice if more, but it's not a deal breaker.
If ya don't mind tinkering the RIA ain't a bad pistol( heck I had to tinker with my kimber too)....as for the match I use mine as a truck gun I ain't goin to carry it with out a good holster. Which is my only problem with it.
Maybe an EAA P-Carry?
If you go with a 1911 you will end up doing something to it, personally I enjoy it but if aren't the tinkering type it may not be for you. I have two ria's a kimber and a witness p carry and I mainly carry the commander length ria 10mm.
Is there a noticeable difference in recoil from Government compared to Commander? I enjoy tinkering.
I haven't noticed any difference but I do have a heavier mainsping in it.
oh and a presto gun blue pen is your best friend with a ria...ask me how i know
I cerakoted the full size and I still need to do the kimber and commander
I don't jnow. Instead of jumping right into the fancy shmantzy expensive 10mm like I did. (But do NOT regret it! ;)) You might want to start with a lower price model just so if you don't really like it you aren't out a BIG wad of money. What kind of platform do you like best? I suppose the cheapest 1911 style pistol would be an RIA. For a striker fire, there are Glocks to be had for not a whole lot of cash. Or an EAA if you like a polymer grip. (I don't, but that's a personal dislike)
On the other hand I just keep drooling at that new SIG P220 in 10mm that just came out, but they are not cheap. :o
RIA Rock Ultra HC 10mm.
It is a 1911, which you like and are comfortable with.
It is a HC (think Para Ordnance type frame) so you get 16+1, or 15+1 after you ditch the goofy mag well which isn't really needed on a tapered magazine body and buy a Mec-Gar flush fit magazine for carry. Also, pick up a couple of Triple K P16-40 mags. They will hold 17 rounds of 10mm goodness.
My Para P16-40/10mm is smaller than my EAA witness full-size, and a good bit smaller than my Match. Poor EAA's are basically range guns at this point.
That is my 2ยข
Is the ultra hc out yet? I stumbled across a ria commander length on gb. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=478292958
I consider myself more of a 1911 guy but I'd say reconsider the Glock 20 or 29. They are knockaround guns that carry well in the outdoors. I know you said Glocks are out but I'm offering my opinion just in case you haven't truly given them a chance yet.
Cabelas had an RIA tactial with rial in 10mm...the pistol itself is heavier than my 45ACP, but it wasn't bad. I own a few holsters for 1911, so I didn't want to get the railed version.
G20 is just slightly too wide for my liking. I even looked at the 4th Gen G20 and it still wasn't quite thin enough.
I have read no reports of the ultra HC in the wild yet. I am anxious to see one and get within "licking" distance of it.
The pics certainly look just like the Para high capacity standard frames right down to the vertical serrations on the front strap.
Quote from: munchie3409 on April 14 2015 12:28:55 PM MDT
G20 is just slightly too wide for my liking. I even looked at the 4th Gen G20 and it still wasn't quite thin enough.
OK. So a 1911 chambered in 10mm will probably be a great choice for you. Love 1911s.
I haven't seen you discuss the G29 but you said you don't want a plastic 10mm so that one is completely out too? Or would you be on the fence about that one?
I really like my Stock II however there is no way I would carry it. It shoots great but definitely has some weight to it. Of course I don't usually carry a 1911 either as long term carry for me gets uncomfortable with it too so YMMV. You also run into available holster issues as well. I am definitely not a Glock guy, but for carry, that may be your answer.
For me I find the following statements to be true.
If I want to carry a comfortable gun, the G29 gets the nod.
I I want to carry the gun that gives me the most comfort, the Para P16-40/10mm comes out.
usually I opt for comfort over comfortable.
Yeah, I'm the exact opposite. Glocks feel real awkward to me. Nothing feels as good as a 1911.
Of course I have a rather small short fingered hand. Any double stack is too uncomfortable.
I am talking about carry...not shooting.
I can't think of a 10mm that is more comfortable to have in a holster on my hip all day than the G29. Light, small, barely know it is there.
If you have small hands, the stock II is definitely out without also buying some thinner, aluminum grips. Like I stated, I love mine but don't think it'll be a fit for you in this case.
Quote from: 10mmfan on April 14 2015 10:15:51 AM MDT
Is the ultra hc out yet? I stumbled across a ria commander length on gb. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=478292958
just bought that exact gun at a local gun shop for 595 + tax. Feels great in the hand solid extremely nice gun but it is back at Armscor for jamming issues. maybe I should have bought a Glock Or eaa match.
I have found all my 10mm 1911's to be sensitive to COAL. Anything over 1.250" and I encounter issues except with a few very specific ogive profiles.
Then the 185 grain Precision Bullets RFN must be good, because I size them to 1.260", and my three different manufacturers 1911 10mm pistol eat them all no problem.
I don't have a G29 yet but my fondness for the G23 indicates I'd probably take to a G29 just fine. We all know these are plastic-framed guns but I have yet to find an objective reason to reject guns on this basis (as much as I am fond of steel, leather and wood). The plastic doesn't look pretty or expensive but it is very tough and functional. And light!
Quote from: GunBugBit on April 15 2015 11:29:10 AM MDT
I don't have a G29 yet but my fondness for the G23 indicates I'd probably take to a G29 just fine. We all know these are plastic-framed guns but I have yet to find an objective reason to reject guns on this basis (as much as I am fond of steel, leather and wood). The plastic doesn't look pretty or expensive but it is very tough and functional. And light!
Like I said, my only complaint about a Glock is just the grips are too wide for my small hand, and the grip angle just feels wrong to me. I really need to get a hold of one of them new SIG P220 10mm to see how I like them.
How about a Dan Wesson Silverback 10mm 1911?
(http://sgcusa.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/small_image/140x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/d/w/dw14_silverback_r-e1424796466195.png)
(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j456/Denver1911/Mobile%20Uploads/image-30.jpg) (http://s1086.photobucket.com/user/Denver1911/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image-30.jpg.html)
I'll always remember my first!
Quote from: GunBugBit on April 15 2015 03:43:00 PM MDT
How about a Dan Wesson Silverback 10mm 1911?
(http://sgcusa.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/small_image/140x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/d/w/dw14_silverback_r-e1424796466195.png)
I have the Dan Wesson Razorback myself. As a matter of fact, 3 of my 1911's are 10mm. See if you can figure out which three here are the 10's.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Gandog56/SANY0227_zpscb38bcb3.jpg)
No doubt the razorback is one of the nicest 10mm 1911's out there. But it is also roughly double the OP's original budget based on the guns he was looking at.
It is customary to push gun seekers out of their stated budget range, or to say "you need both", etc. ;D
Yeah, we kind of got sidetracked there. I just likie 1911's They feel best in my small hand. So Glocks are out, I have never held an EAA witness, and that would leave me with like an RIA. I got mine for like $550 NIB.
Quote from: gandog56 on April 16 2015 03:28:38 PM MDT
Yeah, we kind of got sidetracked there.
Where? Encouraging purchase of the Silverback?
I would have said talking about TWO pistols outside of his stated price range. ???
Except I went back to the original post and saw no price range. ???
My message is: buy the one that sings to you .. within your price range of course.
Quote from: gandog56 on April 16 2015 03:35:54 PM MDT
Except I went back to the original post and saw no price range. ???
That is correct, he didn't state a range. But he did talk about specific models of handguns he was considering and they fall in the $600-$850 range going price on gunbroker.
Once we hit the $1350-$2000 Razorback, it seemed appropriate to me to mention the OP might have a budget, loosely defined by the pistols he had discussed in his original post.
I hope he goes with a 1911 in 10mm and posts lots of pics!
Quote from: sqlbullet on April 16 2015 05:10:42 PM MDT
Quote from: gandog56 on April 16 2015 03:35:54 PM MDT
Except I went back to the original post and saw no price range. ???
That is correct, he didn't state a range. But he did talk about specific models of handguns he was considering and they fall in the $600-$850 range going price on gunbroker.
Once we hit the $1350-$2000 Razorback, it seemed appropriate to me to mention the OP might have a budget, loosely defined by the pistols he had discussed in his original post.
That and he did mention one model seemed a bit too rich for his blood.
Really hard to dislike a Gen 4 Glock 29 for ease of carry. I say handle one and hopefully rent one.
My elite Match is an excellent gun to shoot but it is large. Fits my hands great but is a thick fullsize gun. Also is very close to 3 pounds. Some guys have had good luck with the EAA Pcarry. Never seen or held one myself. Heard too many negatives about the EAA compact. Too bad really.
At some point I will be giving the RIA 10mm 1911s a serious look.
should be getting my Rock Island 1911 MS back from the shop by Tuesday. they said they polish the extractor and found a bump on the feed ramp so we will see how it shoots. I have a ton ammo ready to go.....crossed fingers
I didn't mention a budget...I just mentioned I liked the cost of the RIA because I'd probably buy two for $600.
I did also look at the DW 10mm as well. I just read so many RIA owners sending them back for warranty work. That does not give me confidence in the product.
Plenty of guys have issues with 1911 from other mfg's. Given relative sales volumes I am not sure that RIA have issues at a higher rate, just more of them sold, so more absolute numbers.
In any case RIA certainly seems to stand behind them.
Get on G.B. and look at the Delta Elites, as a first 10mm it is a gun you'll never be sorry you bought ;D
Quote from: DeltaSteve on April 21 2015 01:20:10 PM MDT
Get on G.B. and look at the Delta Elites, as a first 10mm it is a gun you'll never be sorry you bought ;D
But you will be sorry if you sell it. Ask me how I know. :(
These guns are the best kept secret in value that I have seen. I also have a S&W 1076 but they are selling for close to 1000.00 today. This Witness Elite Match is a single action only but has the finest trigger out of the box that I have ever seen. The fit and finish is great and you would expect to pay much more money for this quality of gun.
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Quote from: zeke4351 on April 26 2015 11:35:03 AM MDT
These guns are the best kept secret in value that I have seen. I also have a S&W 1076 but they are selling for close to 1000.00 today. This Witness Elite Match is a single action only but has the finest trigger out of the box that I have ever seen. The fit and finish is great and you would expect to pay much more money for this quality of gun.
I have one of these. Great value & great gun.
I'll tell you what, I was kind of upset when I first got this Rock Island armory MS 1911 tactical. I had to send it back to Rock Island but I got it back a couple weeks ago. I'll tell you, the more I shoot this gun the more I like it! This seems to fit my hand perfectly and it shoots great and is quickly becoming one my favorite handguns.although I agree with the rest of the guys here I sure do want the EAA match.
What for did you have to send it back for? My Tac II 10mm worked right out of the box.
EAA Witness Elite, adj sights, 3.5# 2 stage trigger, replaceable front sight.
I have a 45acp & 22rf setup and a 9mm on the way.
You might stumble into a nice used Colt Delta. I would at least look at one.