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10mm Ammuntion => Factory 10mm Ammo pull-downs => Topic started by: The_Shadow on April 01 2015 06:19:33 PM MDT

Title: Sig Sauer Elite Performance 180gr FMJ April 2015 Pull-Down
Post by: The_Shadow on April 01 2015 06:19:33 PM MDT
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Sig Sauer Elite Performance 180gr FMJ April 2015 (provided by Aaron Barr)
Ballistics Information: 10mm Auto
Muzzle Velocity: 1250 fps
Muzzle Energy: 624 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: SIG - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5940"/Dia. 0.4005":  180gr. FMJ
Actual weigh 179.8 grains  Crimp Diameter 0.3975" 
Meplat 0.2500" / Exposed Lead Base
C.O.A.L.: 1.2490" / 1.2510" / 1.2470" / 1.2530" / 1.2505"
Primer: Large Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.4215" Crimp Diameter 0.4205" Length 0.9875"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: BE-86  8.8 grains

Glock 29  velocity 1178 fps      case expansion 0.4315"
Glock 20  velocity 1250 fps      case expansion 0.4315"
Glock 20  velocity 1260 fps      case expansion 0.4315"
S&W1006 velocity 1276 fps      case expansion 0.4265"
S&W1006 velocity 1286 fps      case expansion 0.4270"

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Title: Re: Sig Sauer Elite Performance 180gr FMJ April 2015 Pull-Down
Post by: Intercooler on April 02 2015 03:18:29 AM MDT
Interesting! Given that powder and charge, do you think it will make advertised?
Title: Re: Sig Sauer Elite Performance 180gr FMJ April 2015 Pull-Down
Post by: cwall64 on April 02 2015 06:32:06 AM MDT
My ordered just came in yesterday, but I doubt I'll get to chronograph this weekend.  I am looking forward to seeing what they'll do also!
Title: Re: Sig Sauer Elite Performance 180gr FMJ April 2015 Pull-Down
Post by: The_Shadow on April 02 2015 08:23:43 AM MDT
Alliant shows 8.5grains of BE-86 making 1265 fps...
I am hoping to run them this evening over the chronograph... ;)
Title: Re: Sig Sauer Elite Performance 180gr FMJ April 2015 Pull-Down
Post by: Intercooler on April 02 2015 08:38:55 AM MDT
Mine will be here 4/8 and today they didn't have any at Cabela's.
Title: Re: Sig Sauer Elite Performance 180gr FMJ April 2015 Pull-Down
Post by: Denver1911 on April 02 2015 09:24:04 AM MDT
Mone showed up earlier this week.  $25/box.  Not bad.
Title: Re: Sig Sauer Elite Performance 180gr FMJ April 2015 Pull-Down
Post by: The_Shadow on April 02 2015 06:38:50 PM MDT
Sig 10mm 180 FMJ Test 4/2/2015
Glock 29   velocity  1178 fps case expansion 0.4315"
Glock 20   velocity  1250 fps case expansion 0.4315"
Glock 20   velocity  1260 fps case expansion 0.4315"
S&W1006 velocity  1276 fps  case expansion 0.4265"
S&W1006 velocity  1286 fps  case expansion 0.4270"
Title: Re: Sig Sauer Elite Performance 180gr FMJ April 2015 Pull-Down
Post by: Intercooler on April 02 2015 07:48:26 PM MDT
Wow! My new favorite and I haven't shot mine yet  :o

I wanted a 600 FT LB target load and here it is!
Title: Re: Sig Sauer Elite Performance 180gr FMJ April 2015 Pull-Down
Post by: cwall64 on April 02 2015 08:13:12 PM MDT
Nice!
Title: Re: Sig Sauer Elite Performance 180gr FMJ April 2015 Pull-Down
Post by: The_Shadow on April 02 2015 08:53:59 PM MDT
Now you know why I have been looking for the BE-86 powder for so long, I will buy an eight pound jug if I can find it!

It is close to Powder Pistol but has flash deterrents and very clean burning! ;D
Title: Re: Sig Sauer Elite Performance 180gr FMJ April 2015 Pull-Down
Post by: cwall64 on April 02 2015 09:16:53 PM MDT
Any pressure signs since Alliant max recommended is 8.5 grains on the FMJs?  I grabbed 4 lbs (4 1 pounders) of BE-86 last time I found it locally, but haven't seen it in a while...  It did seem to be clean burning in my loads also.
Title: Re: Sig Sauer Elite Performance 180gr FMJ April 2015 Pull-Down
Post by: The_Shadow on April 02 2015 10:04:18 PM MDT
The case expansion was minimal from the Glock factory barrels and the S&W1006, The SIG company probably bought all of the BE-86 and is probably why I haven't been able to get any down here... :(
Title: Re: Sig Sauer Elite Performance 180gr FMJ April 2015 Pull-Down
Post by: Intercooler on April 03 2015 01:51:37 PM MDT
   Any idea on what brass they use? I was thinking JAG.

Have you found any visual differences between Starline and JAG when doing pull-downs?
Title: Re: Sig Sauer Elite Performance 180gr FMJ April 2015 Pull-Down
Post by: The_Shadow on April 03 2015 02:33:45 PM MDT
I'll have to look closer but It is stamped SIG, and companies can buy enough and pay for the setup fee to have their own head stamps. 
Title: Re: Sig Sauer Elite Performance 180gr FMJ April 2015 Pull-Down
Post by: Intercooler on April 03 2015 02:48:17 PM MDT
It seems most MFG's are using JAG or Starline with their stamping. I'm thinking this is the same for Sig ammos.
Title: Re: Sig Sauer Elite Performance 180gr FMJ April 2015 Pull-Down
Post by: suncoastarmory on April 03 2015 08:12:02 PM MDT
The numbers are looking good on this ammo. I had kind of written this offering off. I may need to try some as well.
Title: Re: Sig Sauer Elite Performance 180gr FMJ April 2015 Pull-Down
Post by: Intercooler on April 06 2015 05:37:40 PM MDT
My results weren't as good as The Shadow. I also didn't take a 4.75" EAA piece with me today to get that data.

S&W 1006 5" barrel 1210, 1223, 1217. Average = 1216.66 FPS/ 591.53 LBS
EAA Super Match 6" barrel 1280, 1281, 1265. Average = 1275.33 FPS/ 649.96 LBS
Title: Re: Sig Sauer Elite Performance 180gr FMJ April 2015 Pull-Down
Post by: Coltitis on April 13 2015 01:42:28 PM MDT
Last Friday I ran a box of these through a 5" Wilson Combat 1911 and a 6" Nighthawk Long Slide.  Velocities were a little lower for me but still decent 10mm loads.

5" Wilson       1204 FPS average for 9 shots
6" Nighthawk 1237.6 FPS average for 9 shots

As a side note, in comparing the Sig cases to Starline cases, I noticed that the flash hole on the Sig cases is smaller than the Starline flash hole.

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Title: Re: Sig Sauer Elite Performance 180gr FMJ April 2015 Pull-Down
Post by: Intercooler on April 15 2015 05:04:52 PM MDT
Got the 4.75" data (closest to G20).

Sig Sauer 180gr FMJ
EAA Limited Pro 4.75" 1228, 1241, 1228, 1222, 1225, 1220, 1210, 1229, 1229, 1227. Average = 1225.9 FPS/ 600.55 LBS. About perfect for a real 10mm target round except... they jacked up the price to $28!
EAA Super Match 6" 1293, 1264, 1280, 1275, 1271. Average = 1276.6 FPS/ 651.25 LBS