My "new" Witness came in this afternoon. Went and picked it up from the FFL, then headed back home to try it out. Funny thing is, I found a fair deal and bought it without mentioning it to the wife. Wasn't to sure how she might react, but as it turns out, she seemed excited about it. ;D
Anyway, it is a Witness polymer with the full size frame and compact slide. Like the P Carry, but with the blued slide...and it's not the cone barrel. :( It looked like it hadn't had but a few rounds through it. Came set up with wolf recoil and firing pin springs.
The wife and I put about 60 rounds through it this evening. No problems whatsoever...and I think she likes shooting it as much as I do! Apparently a 10mm makes for a nice ladies gun too! :P
-Phillip
Post some pics.
Here are some pics. I'll get more detailed pictures later today.
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Also came with the IWB holster, spare mag, mag pouch, and recoil/firing pin spring sets. Both are the newer K10 mags.
-Phillip
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One thing I should mention:
My pistol shoots low, just like every one I've read about. What is the best source for an adjustable rear sight?
Thanks,
Phillip
Well, EAA seems to want to rip people off on parts ($100 for a sight?) and Brownells doesn't have or doesn't stock the sight for the new style slide with and 11.5mm dovetail.
BUT...I found a few references to an LPA sight for Crosman air guns that fits the new style witness slides. I did some checking around, and sure enough, it has an 11.5mm dovetail, and people have confirmed that it works. Only $39.99 on the Crosman website. http://www.crosman.com/optics/sights/lpa-mim-rear-sight
I just ordered one. Will let you guys know how it works out.
-Phillip
Quote from: Kentuckydiesel on March 19 2015 08:39:43 AM MDT
Here are some pics. I'll get more detailed pictures later today.
That's a P carry for sure. What makes you call it "like a p carry?" Is the slide not a p carry slide? Looks like a regular compact witness slide on a p carry frame? That's strange.
That's the strange part. It's dimensions are the same as a P-carry, but it has the "blued" slide and a straight barrel rather than a cone fit barrel like the P-carry has.
Trying to post a picture, but the pictures coming directly off my phone are too large. May have to wait until I get to work tomorrow.
-Phillip
Well it's definitely a P Carry frame. Looks like someone threw a Compact steel model Witness slide and barrel on it. Pretty much all of the Witness parts are interchangeable. Could be a mistake from the factory or the previous owner did it.
I've seen a number of these for sale, brand new. They usually just call them a polymer compact with 14+1 capacity. Just strange that it's not in the catalog.
Quote from: Kentuckydiesel on March 19 2015 08:00:16 PM MDT
I've seen a number of these for sale, brand new. They usually just call them a polymer compact with 14+1 capacity. Just strange that it's not in the catalog.
The polymer compact has a 12 round capacity in 10mm, and has a short grip, very different from yours. http://eaacorp.com/portfolio-item/witness-polymer-p-compact/
The full size polymer is longer and different than yours. http://eaacorp.com/portfolio-item/witness-polymer-p-full-size/
Yours is definitely a P Carry frame with the steel model slide on there by accident. http://eaacorp.com/portfolio-item/witness-polymer-p-carry/
Here's an older version of the same deal: http://www.gunlistings.org/florida-gun-classifieds/daytona_beach/pistols/55499/tanfoglio__eaa__witness_compact
And here's the same thing I have: http://www.americandefenseco.com/Shop/eaa-witness-p/
They are out there. Just that they are some sort of strange in between model.
-Phillip
Looks to be the old P Carry pre-2010 model according to my buddies 2008 EAA catalog. It's listed as "Witness P". The newer version comes with the cone barrel starting in 2011 and name changed to P carry.
Weren't the forward slide serrations from the last year or two?
Thanks,
Phillip
Quote from: Kentuckydiesel on March 19 2015 10:13:52 PM MDT
Weren't the forward slide serrations from the last year or two?
Thanks,
Phillip
I have a 2002 model with serrations on the front. There have been various differences throughout the years. Serrations have come and gone then back again. Slides were square, then rounded, now square again.
Hmmm...I always wondered why some people talked about the "old square slides".
I figured this pistol was relatively new given the fact that it essentially has no wear and the serial number is the highest I have seen. Maybe I'll try and give EAA a call to see when this thing was actually made.
Thanks again,
Phillip
Quote from: Kentuckydiesel on March 20 2015 06:21:00 AM MDT
Hmmm...I always wondered why some people talked about the "old square slides".
I figured this pistol was relatively new given the fact that it essentially has no wear and the serial number is the highest I have seen. Maybe I'll try and give EAA a call to see when this thing was actually made.
Thanks again,
Phillip
I'd really like to get to the bottom of this. I wonder if the factory had extra P Carry frames and not enough cone barrels to match so they made a run with regular slide and barrels just to move units? :-\
let us know if sight fits the dovetail...if its taller(sets higher out of the dovetail) it might work for my wifes sar k2p
Quote from: Patriot on March 20 2015 06:28:02 AM MDT
I'd really like to get to the bottom of this. I wonder if the factory had extra P Carry frames and not enough cone barrels to match so they made a run with regular slide and barrels just to move units? :-\
I have been wondering the same thing. It seems that people have talked about the wonder finish slides being the ones that had corrosion/cracking issues. Some of those have complained about getting blued slides back when they sent their pistol in for repair.
I wouldn't be surprised if they ran out p-carry slides for warranty work so they began scavenging slides off of P-Carry models. After a while, they needed something to do with the frames, so they slapped compact slides on them and made an in between model? Just a theory, but it would make sense.
-Phillip
Quote from: Hermit on March 20 2015 07:03:43 AM MDT
let us know if sight fits the dovetail...if its taller(sets higher out of the dovetail) it might work for my wifes sar k2p
I'll post pics when it comes in. I think the sight should be here on Monday.
-Phillip
Well, I just got off the phone with EAA.
She said my Witness was imported in December of 2013, that it's a 10mm, and it has a full size polymer frame with a compact slide.
I told her I had looked through their catalogs and didn't see this model listed, so I was wondering what model it was considered to be. She said "Well, this one is a bit of an oddball. It's a lot like the P-Carry, but without the wonder finish slide." I went on to ask if it was some sort of one-time run that was made up due to excess parts. She told me that while it is kind of rare, it is a current model that they are still importing.
She actually seemed a bit excited about this model due to it's rarity/obscurity.
So...I guess it's a model that Tanfoglio is making, but EAA isn't importing a large enough quantity to give them a page on their catalog.
BTW, after reading a lot of complaints about their customer service, I wasn't expecting much from this call.
I was pleased to find that they answered the phone right away, and the lady I spoke to was very friendly and glad to provide information right there on the spot. I didn't even get put on hold. She had the info for me in just a few seconds.
-Phillip
Kentuckydiesel, congrats, Very Interesting pistol... 8)
Quote from: Patriot on March 19 2015 08:57:15 PM MDT
Looks to be the old P Carry pre-2010 model according to my buddies 2008 EAA catalog. It's listed as "Witness P". The newer version comes with the cone barrel starting in 2011 and name changed to P carry.
I checked mine that I bought last August and it says witness P-F
Quote from: The_Shadow on March 20 2015 10:08:52 AM MDT
Kentuckydiesel, congrats, Very Interesting pistol... 8)
Thanks! I really like it. I'm sure like will turn into love once I work out this low shooting issue.
Quote from: 10mmfan on March 20 2015 10:46:03 AM MDT
Quote from: Patriot on March 19 2015 08:57:15 PM MDT
Looks to be the old P Carry pre-2010 model according to my buddies 2008 EAA catalog. It's listed as "Witness P". The newer version comes with the cone barrel starting in 2011 and name changed to P carry.
I checked mine that I bought last August and it says witness P-F
Same setup as mine with the square compact blued slide? Maybe they'll start selling more of these. It's a very nice setup for a pretty decent price.
-Phillip
Quote from: Kentuckydiesel on March 20 2015 12:08:04 PM MDT
Quote from: The_Shadow on March 20 2015 10:08:52 AM MDT
Kentuckydiesel, congrats, Very Interesting pistol... 8)
Thanks! I really like it. I'm sure like will turn into love once I work out this low shooting issue.
Quote from: 10mmfan on March 20 2015 10:46:03 AM MDT
Quote from: Patriot on March 19 2015 08:57:15 PM MDT
Looks to be the old P Carry pre-2010 model according to my buddies 2008 EAA catalog. It's listed as "Witness P". The newer version comes with the cone barrel starting in 2011 and name changed to P carry.
It's the same, I believe I spent under $400 with ffl fees etc.
I checked mine that I bought last August and it says witness P-F
Same setup as mine with the square compact blued slide? Maybe they'll start selling more of these. It's a very nice setup for a pretty decent price.
-Phillip
Quote from: Hermit on March 20 2015 07:03:43 AM MDT
let us know if sight fits the dovetail...if its taller(sets higher out of the dovetail) it might work for my wifes sar k2p
I was hoping that sight would be here yesterday, but I just got an e-mail telling me that it would be here on Wednesday.
-Phillip
Quote from: Kentuckydiesel on March 19 2015 09:05:21 AM MDT
One thing I should mention:
My pistol shoots low, just like every one I've read about. What is the best source for an adjustable rear sight?
Thanks,
Phillip
You can always file the front sight blade down a little bit at a time until you get it to shoot where you want.
The new rear sight came in. It is a nice high quality steel sight, came with the proper allen wrench to remove the old sight and install the new one, plus a nifty little keychain adjustment tool. The dovetail is the correct size for my "new style" slide with the 11.5mm dovetail. The only problem I see is that the sight adjustment will only go so far down before it hits the slide (because it's longer than the original sight). I have seen where some have taken a little material off the sight to get the rest of the downward travel, but because my gun has been shooting low, I think it will be just fine as is. Here is the new sight on the Witness P-F:
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Old fixed sight:
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Fixed sight on the left, adjustable sight on the right. The new sight does sit off the slide a little more than on the old one, but it's only 1/32", or so.
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Should work thank you
From what I know about EAA I wouldn't be surprised if it was just put together with random parts. Looks nice though.