Sickening
http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/15/middleeast/isis-video-beheadings-christians/index.html
I think that everyone who has ignored this issue in the past and not been with us are quickly re-thinking!
The fact it was done 'on the shores of Tripoli' makes me wonder if they aren't sending a message directed at the US. At least Egypt has already responded with air strikes. Their medieval acts of barbarity must be stopped....ISIS forces eliminated. Our foreign policy under the current administrations sinks to another new low. Our leader golfs while the world burns. So much change....so little hope.
I wonder just how many people have been murdered in all of history because your god is not my god.
A Brigade from Ft Carson is enroute to Kuwait.
Thanks for moving this, IC. This is the second time I have done this. Must be showing my age.
Quote from: Intercooler on February 16 2015 04:03:43 AM MST
I think that everyone who has ignored this issue in the past and not been with us are quickly re-thinking!
Too bad one of those who is still not on-board is our own Commander-in-Chief
He did make a short-lived stand after Kayla Mueller was murdered by these gutless pigs, but where was he today ?
I have always thought;
If you believe in your cause so greatly, why are you so afraid to show your face ? ! ?
Truly....I believe the "Leader / Spokesman" of ISIS is an American
I don't understand how people think its the CiC's responsibility for those that go into hot zones that they were advised against to go.
Quote from: Wolfie on February 16 2015 08:23:07 PM MST
I don't understand how people think its the CiC's responsibility for those that go into hot zones that they were advised against to go.
Because we love to find fault on Obozo.
But it's almost too easy!
The reason for ISIL is the elective war of Iraq, no Iraq, no ISIL.
Quote from: Wolfie on February 17 2015 09:01:45 AM MST
The reason for ISIL is the elective war of Iraq, no Iraq, no ISIL.
6 years later we can still blame Bush.
Who went into a Elective War in Iraq Rich?
Who ran on pulling the troops out of Iraq?
Who left the Northern Borders of Iraq wide open where the terrorists geared up?
Who left the Northern Mexican Border wide open after 911?
Its called cause and effect. No Iraq, no ISIL.
Quote from: Wolfie on February 17 2015 12:08:35 PM MST
Who went into a Elective War in Iraq Rich?
Who ran on pulling the troops out of Iraq?
Who left the Northern Borders of Iraq wide open where the terrorists geared up?
Who left the Northern Mexican Border wide open after 911?
Its called cause and effect. No Iraq, no ISIL.
Obama?
Rich started paying attention to politics in January of 2009.
Actually, ISIS or some faction has been around since before the crusades. So, the political posturing can cease as to which president is at fault. Those in the Middle East have tried to manipulate/control them for 100s of years with little success.
The question is how to contain them; because it is mainly a religion, it'll be around in the future. Back to the question.....how are they contained? Since there are factions of the ISIS(L), it is hard to go after just one. It's like trying to slice water.
I don't believe doing nothing will get rid of the problem. Having Egypt, Jordan and other countries involved in eradicating these terrorist will help.....however, because of their rapid expansion, it will take more than just them. Some think turning Israel loose is the answer; well, that will set off Syria and several other ME countries to jump onto Israel....then you have a bigger mess.
It's almost a damned if you do and damned if you don't scenario.
Quote from: Rich10 on February 17 2015 02:14:17 PM MST
Quote from: Wolfie on February 17 2015 12:08:35 PM MST
Who went into a Elective War in Iraq Rich?
Who ran on pulling the troops out of Iraq?
Who left the Northern Borders of Iraq wide open where the terrorists geared up?
Who left the Northern Mexican Border wide open after 911?
Its called cause and effect. No Iraq, no ISIL.
Obama?
Which of those did Obama not do?
How did Obama's exit strategy from Iraq go?
How have his Gitmo prisoner releases gone?
Quote from: Wolfie on February 17 2015 04:03:56 PM MST
Rich started paying attention to politics in January of 2009.
Hehehe....
Please stop blaming Bush for everything....
...And please stop making it look like I'm defending Bush.
Rich, Bush went into Iraq, he could not get a SOFA.
Obama ran on pulling all the troops out and won. How is a SOFA on him?
Gitmo is a legit argument, put them all in a plane and release them over the Atlantic.
Quote from: Wolfie on February 17 2015 04:36:58 PM MST
Rich, Bush went into Iraq, he could not get a SOFA.
Obama ran on pulling all the troops out and won. How is a SOFA on him?
Gitmo is a legit argument, put them all in a plane and release them over the Atlantic.
Obama is CiC. He decided when/how to pull out. He left them a wreck....
Bush starts war, fails to get SOFA.
Obama runs on pulling out the troops and wins twice, is to blame for not getting a SOFA.
Is that right?
ISIL is the blowback from invading Iraq without securing its northern borders as the generals advised Bush. But its Obama who is at fault. Yeah right.
Quote from: Wolfie on February 18 2015 09:30:25 AM MST
Bush starts war, fails to get SOFA.
Obama runs on pulling out the troops and wins twice, is to blame for not getting a SOFA.
Is that right?
ISIL is the blowback from invading Iraq without securing its northern borders as the generals advised Bush. But its Obama who is at fault. Yeah right.
Well,
http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/panetta-directly-contradicts-obamas-account-of-us-withdrawal-from-iraq/article/2554290
More than once has Panetta and others given this explanation.
Well what?
Bush started the war and could not get a SOFA.
Obama ran on ending the wars and bringing the troops home.
Obama won twice.
Quote from: Wolfie on February 18 2015 12:29:43 PM MST
Well what?
Bush started the war and could not get a SOFA.
Obama ran on ending the wars and bringing the troops home.
Obama won twice.
One does not equal the other......I get up every morning, and the sun follows me. Two things that happen, but are not contingent on either.
Bush started the war and won twice.
Obama ran from the challenge and won twice.
Blame Bush......liberal montra.
If King Obama is so great....how come he didn't get his agenda in before the election when he had control of the House/Senate & WH?
Quote from: Wolfie on February 18 2015 12:29:43 PM MST
Well what?
Bush started the war and could not get a SOFA.
Obama ran on ending the wars and bringing the troops home.
Obama won twice.
Stop being obtuse.
Obama left w/o a real exit strategy, plain and simple. Even Panetta admits Obama screwed up.
Exit strategy?
What was Bush's?
Quote from: Wolfie on February 18 2015 03:01:18 PM MST
Exit strategy?
What was Bush's?
Ya just can't help but focusing/blaming Bush what he did/didn't do....he's been out of office since 2008.
Quote from: redbaron007 on February 18 2015 03:17:58 PM MST
Quote from: Wolfie on February 18 2015 03:01:18 PM MST
Exit strategy?
What was Bush's?
Ya just can't help but focusing/blaming Bush what he did/didn't do....he's been out of office since 2008.
Bush didn't need an exit strategy. He wasn't president.
The guy that started a elective war did not need a exit strategy?
OMG
:o :o
Quote from: Wolfie on February 18 2015 06:23:35 PM MST
The guy that started a elective war did not need a exit strategy?
OMG
:o :o
Correct, not if you're not president when it's finished. Obama wouldn't have followed it anyway.
Obama ran on pulling the troops out.
He won, he did as he promised.
Sort of-
He also left Iraq ripe for the picking for Isis.
The only option was to be a occupying force.
Bush and Obama said no to that.