What handgun and ammo would leave with you when you left the house in the morning?
For me it would be my Glock 20 (Glock 29 2nd choice) and my "mix" of Underwood 165 gr. Gold Dots and DoubleTap's 155 gr. TAC XP Hollow Points (or Underwood's Controlled Fracturing Hollow Points).
YOU?
Glock 20, same as every day. Ammunition, owing to the cold weather here in the NW and heavier than normal clothing, would be some Underwood 180gr XTPs. Those things are screamin' and boy do they penetrate, "heavy" clothing or not! That being said, I still wouldn't hesitate to use a lighter loading, say the 155gr XTPs it's constantly stocked with, in a pinch.
Glock 19 with 147 grain Federal HST
Well it would be the 200gr XTP @ 1200fps delivered from the G-29 or the Remington 185gr Golden Sabers from the G-30 if I'm in town in close quarters... :-[
I assume I will have to defend myself everyday, and my edc is a G19.
If I thought I was going to war or facing multiple assailants I may choose my G17 (with a longarm :D ).
I carry my ria 10mm every day because I trust it and I am fast with it. 180 grain underwood gold dots
AR 15 in 300 blackout with a full load out of ammo :P
My general carry compliment is a P16-40 in 10mm with 50 rounds of 180 grain JHP at 1300 fps.
My G29sf EDC with 2 mags and one in the visor - for longer range and power my my G20sf with 6.6 barrel and for longer range and more power my M-T G20sf 16" carbine
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My loads are crafted to meat these 3 different weapons.
Doug
I would carry my usual EDC, a S&W Model 38 No-Dash. Along with my standard reload ,a speed strip of the same Remington 158 Grain LSWCHP that are in the Model 38. Might throw a long gun in the Jeep, might not. I carry every day with the expectation that I may have to use deadly force to defend myself or SWMBO.
Edited to add - SWMBO always has a Glock 26 loaded with Winchester 127 Grain +p+ Ranger JHP's along with a spare magazine of the same with her.
Same old glock 26 with 10+1 147gr hst I normally carry. But if Im really feeling frisky it might be the g20 with trophy bonded federal 180gr and a surefire x300 ultra if it will be at night.
Cold weather would be my G20 in a shoulder holster with a magazine loaded with 220gr hardcast Buffalo Bore and the other two magazines loaded with GA arms speer hollow points. I might load one mag up with cor bon 200gr penetrator rounds.
Quote from: Buckeye 50 on January 08 2015 06:03:35 PM MST
If you thought you were likely to have to defend yourself tomorrow....What handgun and ammo would leave with you when you left the house in the morning?
For me it would be my Glock 20 (Glock 29 2nd choice) and my "mix" of Underwood 165 gr. Gold Dots and DoubleTap's 155 gr. TAC XP Hollow Points (or Underwood's Controlled Fracturing Hollow Points).
YOU?
Everything I have, or I would just hide in a corner in my room until the day after tomorrow.
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Colt LE 6920.
Oh, this is a 10mm forum. ;D I would take one of my G20's with all the mags I had. I might even take the .357 conversion barrel, as I think this is a perfect combination for two legged defense.
10mm Ammo? Hornady 155 grain XTP. Or Underwood 165 grain Gold Dot if I feel adventurous. Maybe even PBR 155 grain JHP (Montana Gold), but I haven't yet tested this in my Gen 4.
Great question!
Quote from: my_old_glock on January 09 2015 10:15:29 PM MST
Everything I have, or I would just hide in a corner in my room until the day after tomorrow.
x2
I had initial CC training nearly 40 years ago, and so much emphasis way placed on avoiding the need to defending yourself, while being trained and prepared to do so if needed. The discussion over multiple nights was how your life after a self defense shooting would change, all for the worst. The legal battles, the expense, the waking up in a cold sweat from nightmares, mental health, and an ongoing replaying and sorting through the "what if I would have...". Your life will never be the same!!!
Law enforcement must....
I can and will avoid it as best as I can. I avoid confrontation. I avoid places where trouble is more likely when possible. It certainly won't be me pushing an issue.
I think its a lot like most animals. They tend to run away if they can, but fight like hell when cornered. No better place like home for that. I can lay down a bunch of fire from an array of weapons... Shot Guns, Hand Guns, Auto Rifles, rounds that would poke holes in body protection, and enough ammo loaded and ready. And if I can figure a way out of that gunfight and escape into the woods, I'd likely take that way out. Tracking conditions right now would make me think real hard about that right now, but if I thought I could pull it off, I would.
I normally carry a CZ 2075 in 9mm. It carryies 10 rounds, and I have two 14 round mags in reserve. When in the sticks in cold weather there is a Glock 20 under the coat also. I just hope to live my whole life without NEEDING to use them in defense.
Greg
Well, tomorrow the bad guy would be screwed... I am headed to the gun show and will have both glocks (20 &23) and an ak with me. Probably my gut gun too, bond derringer with 3" 410 #5 shot.
Same thing I carry every day. Colt Delta Elite with 165 Sierra Hollow points over 12 grains of V V 3N38. One mag in the pistol, two in the holder.
If I knew I thought I was likely to have to defend myself, I mean in an actual situation, I wouldn't go there.
But tomorrow is no different than any other day and I always go prepared.
When I was a Gunner's Mate in the Navy, I was attached to various commands conducting firearms training for shipboard personnel, military police units, E.O.D., SEALs and occasionally Marine infantry is they needed our range. We routinely simulated injuries during life fire exercises. We would tie a shooters arm behind his back so he could only use one arm, tape down the thumb on his shooting hand and various other things. We had Beretta M9's (model 92), Sig 226 and Colt 1911's.
After conducting these training scenarios over the years, I came to the realization that the 1911 just isn't a great carry gun. The fact that it is single action puts the user at a serious disadvantage under stress or injury. The grip safety feature also posed problems during simulated injury especially with smaller handed shooters. Only the SEALs were proficient enough to reload, rack the slide or get the hammer back with the simulated injuries.
Even without a simulated injury, almost every shooter forgot the 1911 they were holding needed to be cocked before firing during stressful shooting, such as timed events, night time shooting, or run and shoot drills etc. They would be pulling on that trigger repeatedly then raise their hand and swear they had a misfire or a broken weapon. I'm talking big time 1911 guys who swear they are the best guns on the planet, they still froze up under stress. The same people did not have the same issues with the Beretta, although sometimes they forgot to take off the safety. But overall they had more success with non 1911 guns.
For me, a double action firearm just makes more sense for carrying.
Quote from: Patriot on January 13 2015 08:51:25 AM MST
almost every shooter forgot the 1911 they were holding needed to be cocked before firing during stressful shooting
I know the military manual of arms for a 1911 is to carry in condition 2 or 3. But, that is a problem. Carrying condition 1 alleviates the issue described here.
Further, tap-rack-bang and reload-rack-bang work the same on any semi-auto. SA, DA/SA, DA only, striker. If you pull and don't get a bang, you should immediately tap-rack-bank, not just pull again.
I agree the 1911 has more operator controls than a Glock, or than a typical DA auto. The grip safety is an issue for shooters with small hands, or in situation where because of injury or environment you have a less than optimum grip.
I would also comment the difference of mission is relevant here. Lots of guys in the military aren't "shooters". They have completely different assignments. In combat they have different rules of engagement than we do as citizens.
While I don't advocate mandatory training to have a CCW, I do teach all my students that they are endangering themselves and others if they don't train on the gun to the point that all these actions become ingrained muscle memory. If you train to the level that you should if you are carrying in public, then platform will be a non-issue as long as it is consistent and reliable.
If I knew I would need to defend myself, I wouldn't go to the place I had been planning to go. My enlistment has ended and I am not obligated to put myself into harm's way.
As a hypothetical exercise, if I knew that I would need to defend myself and decided to go into danger anyway, I wouldn't choose a handgun. More accurately, I wouldn't choose ONLY a handgun. I would choose an AR, G22, plate carrier, battle belt, radio, and a truck load of mags. I would choose to bring along several similarly equipped friends.
We carry handguns because we DON'T expect trouble.
Quote from: Raggedyman on January 13 2015 10:02:29 AM MST
We carry handguns because we DON'T expect trouble.
A handgun is a means to fight your way to get your rifle.