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10mm Ammuntion => Factory 10mm Ammo pull-downs => Topic started by: The_Shadow on October 23 2014 12:51:08 PM MDT

Title: Mystery Winchester (old) 175 gr JHP Pull-Down (Thought to be Hornady Frontier)
Post by: The_Shadow on October 23 2014 12:51:08 PM MDT
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: * Mystery Winchester (old) 175 gr JHP (being investigated)(supplied by Intercooler)
Ballistics Information: 10mm Auto
Muzzle Velocity: ? ? fps
Muzzle Energy: ? ? ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Winchester - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0. 6380"/Dia. 0.4000": 180gr Winchester JHP
Actual weight 180.2 grains  Crimp Diameter 0.3955" 
HP depth  HP 0.2750" / HP dia. 0.1200" (straight) / mouth 0.1920"
C.O.A.L.: 1.2520"
Primer: Large Pistol Nickle color  (red sealant)
Case: Diameter 0.4210" Crimp Diameter 0.4195" (heavy crimp)Length 0.9890"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Accurate #9  12.0 grains  **

* (being investigated) (Not Hornady) (Winchester casing new appears unfired)
** (AA#9 fine micro bead)

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Title: Re: Mystery ??? round Pull-Down
Post by: Intercooler on October 23 2014 04:35:54 PM MDT
They were all Winchester brass with the red primer sealer.
Title: Re: Mystery ??? round Pull-Down
Post by: Intercooler on October 23 2014 05:46:57 PM MDT
Being they are 180's in Winchester brass  ??? ??? It doesn't look like the bullet in your other pull-down and more like an XTP.
Title: Re: Mystery ??? round Pull-Down
Post by: The_Shadow on October 23 2014 05:51:07 PM MDT
These are the things that concern me as I look over the mystery of this cartridge...

Hornady Frontier 175 gr JHP bullet actual weight is 180 gr

Brass casing is headstamped Winchester and it is new and unfired

The powder is Accurate Arms #9 (not a Winchester brand)

Your test confirm performance where it would be for the loading with a 180gr bullet
Hornady Frontier 170gr JHP
EAA Elite Limited 4.75" 1172, 1191, 1194, 1177, 1195. Average = 1185.5 FPS/ 531 LBS
Title: Re: Mystery ??? round Pull-Down
Post by: Intercooler on October 23 2014 05:57:32 PM MDT
I contacted the seller to see if they knew any additional information. Any idea what bullet that is?
Title: Re: Mystery ??? round Pull-Down
Post by: Intercooler on October 24 2014 03:45:30 AM MDT
   These may remain an unknown unless someone can figure it out. The seller said he thinks he has another pack of these and will send it to me.


Maybe I should put unknown on the sheet and update the weight to 180gr?
Title: Re: Mystery ??? round Pull-Down
Post by: 4949shooter on October 25 2014 04:17:51 AM MDT
It looks like the other load with an XTP bullet.
Title: Re: Mystery ??? round Pull-Down
Post by: Intercooler on October 25 2014 06:20:44 AM MDT
I have a theory!  :)

In the past I tested a Winchester brass cartridge with the red sealer on it. I found it and they were Precision Cartridge:

http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-10mm-ammo/precision-cartridge-in-the-morning-check-these-out/msg3072/#msg3072

I think these were done by them and possibly put in this box.



Title: Re: Mystery ??? round Pull-Down
Post by: The_Shadow on November 18 2014 09:11:22 AM MST
Here is what was found in 11 more of these that IC sent to do specials

8 had 11.8 grains
2 had 12.0 grains
1 had 10.8 grains

The bullets were all in the 180 grain range  COL was 1.2500- 1.2525"