So in relation to the problem discussed here http://10mm-firearms.com/gunsmithing/g20-ftf-feeding-off-center/
I went to visit the local certified Glock armorer. He is an older gentleman and has been at it for quite a while, this guy knows his stuff. Anyway, after observing the feeding issue, the lose fit etc... and the mag feeding into the left side of the chamber, he tore the gun apart, inspected, clean and replaced several parts all to no avail. He was stumped.
So then we start comparing the mag fit to other G20's he had in stock and the difference was clear... My mags fit loose and do in fact twist. We swapped frames/mags/slides etc every which way and the result was clear. Something is not right with my gun.
To give you a little background, I bought this firearm during the severe shortage (in North Carolina from) a dealer with serious buying power and a direct relationship with Glock, no wholesaler middle man. This was right in the middle of the extreme shortage of Glocks, as in they didn't exist.
With that said, this gun has never been quite right right. Its had odd feeding problems, RSA issues, slide not returning to battery, a completely bad mag that Glock replaced (they also sent me a new RSA) and also reassembly issues/difficulties that the armorer also noticed on his own and found odd.
Long story short, the gun is now on its way back to Glock for evaluation. Its kind of a wild theory and the armorer is not saying that he is right but he is wondering if frame molded for a G21 somehow ended up getting stamped with the correct serial number (all the numbers match) for a G20.... he did not have a G21 on hand to compare but the magwell seemed to be the correct size for .45 cal mags but too large for 10mm mags, as demonstrated by all of our comparisons.
Its a wild theory/idea and highly unlikely but considering the rush to pump out pistols when it was made, that is exactly the type of circumstance that could allow that to happen. I guess we will know for sure when Smyrna reports back...
G20/21 use the exact same lower. Only the slide/barrel/recoil assembly are different.
More likely you just got a lemon.
Quote from: sqlbullet on September 25 2014 02:14:18 PM MDT
G20/21 use the exact same lower. Only the slide/barrel/recoil assembly are different.
More likely you just got a lemon.
Huh, interesting. So I guess that theory is out.
Well either way, this things is screwy enough that the armorer thought it definitely needed a trip to the mothership.
Assuming it is a lemon, how is Glock with accountability and righting wrongs? Should I expect the "it's within spec" response? Or any are they likely to make any trade/swap offer? I don't care if I have to pay a few bucks, I just want it to function properly.
I will be surprised if they don't just replace it.
Did you take any pictures of the ftf / battery issue? Also is the cartridge getting stuck within the chamber?
So while it is clear something is strange with my gun, I still did not know what. I figured its been a little while, let me call Glock and see if they have an update.
After reading them the serial# twice, they had no record of it... The guy even tried searching by intake zip code/dealer or whatever he was doing. Still zip. At his suggestion, I went down to the shop (with my receipt/ticket)that was supposed to ship it so I could have a little chat with the store owner. He of course tells me it was not back yet, to which I responded "I need a tracking number".
Well after a little scrambling and searching, he finds it. Not the tracking number, the gun... In the "lay-a-way" stack no less. I handed him my ticket and calmly asked him for my gun back.
The good news is that after I called the guy back at Glock and told him what happened, he immediately emailed me an overnight FedEx label and promised to make it right. Nice people at Glock, receptive to my concerns and at least seemed sincere in his promise to make it right.
At least I shipped it myself this time and I know FedEx will get it there. How long to fix though is anyone's guess.
Hey, at least I had the gun back for a few hours to go test some loads quick :)
Quote from: tilefish on October 17 2014 04:35:46 PM MDT
So while it is clear something is strange with my gun, I still did not know what. I figured its been a little while, let me call Glock and see if they have an update.
After reading them the serial# twice, they had no record of it... The guy even tried searching by intake zip code/dealer or whatever he was doing. Still zip. At his suggestion, I went down to the shop (with my receipt/ticket)that was supposed to ship it so I could have a little chat with the store owner. He of course tells me it was not back yet, to which I responded "I need a tracking number".
Well after a little scrambling and searching, he finds it. Not the tracking number, the gun... In the "lay-a-way" stack no less. I handed him my ticket and calmly asked him for my gun back.
The good news is that after I called the guy back at Glock and told him what happened, he immediately emailed me an overnight FedEx label and promised to make it right. Nice people at Glock, receptive to my concerns and at least seemed sincere in his promise to make it right.
At least I shipped it myself this time and I know FedEx will get it there. How long to fix though is anyone's guess.
Hey, at least I had the gun back for a few hours to go test some loads quick :)
I am usually the last to recommend calling the atf, but they need to audit that ffl if he is that bad on paperwork that he lost your gun. He doesnt need to be handling others property. Atf is getting very strict on how things are handled, i know of one local who recently lost his ffl due to sloppiness.