Don't know how true this is but have a look see!
http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/4280076263 (http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/4280076263)
Three models will be offered: (we will see)
P220 Stainless Elite 10mm, standard length slide and barrel, traditional DA/SA trigger
P220 Match Elite 10mm, stainless, long slide, 5" barrel, traditional DA/SA trigger
P220 SAO 10mm, stainless, long slide, 5" barrel, single action only trigger
I doubt if Para would have posted that if it wasn't true. I have a P220 in .45 ACP with night sights, and it is my bedside gun and an occasional range gun. DA/SA is not my first choice, but I had to have at least one Sig. When I chose it, I shot it alongside a Glock 21. They were so close in feel and looks that I decided on the Sig because I liked the sleek look of the P220 in my hands vs the blocky look of the Glock. However, I prefer striker fired, and Glock was my only choice in 10mm. It was just a decision between the G20, G20 SF, G29, and the G20 Gen4, which is what I got. Shot it for the first time today. What a blast. Sig is slow coming to the 10mm platform, but they will sell well, cause they will be Sigs.
Yay we will have sig 10mm fan boys. Then even better ammo will come out! (More demand)
Great news!
How does the 220 compare to the others and any idea the expected lbs on the trigger pulls? So this would be a carry piece? I'm fond of SA only for a range piece.
Guys that have Sig P220's rave about them. I have always just kept walking as a one pistol caliber kinda guy. Guess I will be visiting a gun store this weekend and checking out a P220. And warning the wife that a gun purchase is GOING to happen.
Quote from: Intercooler on September 25 2014 05:43:19 AM MDT
How does the 220 compare to the others and any idea the expected lbs on the trigger pulls? snip..
I have a 220 in 45acp in DA/SA. Trigger pull is a bit long with the first shot and comes in at hair over 9.5lbs ( as per my spring scale ). Pull is smooth but long. The SA comes in at 4.5lbs and is without catches, nice crisp letgo ( it took about 250 rounds to smooth out ).
I find it is more accurate than the colt 1911 series 70 I had...but that may just be how it fits me. ( carried a 226 for 20yrs+ and it feels similar )
I will def buy one, I have the glock cause they didn't offer a 10mm.
I have always heard good things about reset too. Smooth and sharp between shots.
Even better news if this becomes a reality:
QuoteThe P227 will also accept any slide assembly from the P220. This means a regular-sized P227 Nitron® can be turned into a Carry, SAS™, Stainless or Super Match just by swapping top ends.
http://www.sigsauer.com/aboutus/NewsDetails.aspx?NewsId=80
I read this to say I can buy a P220 10mm, a P227, and swap the top ends and have a double stack 10mm Sig, after tweaking some feed lips.
Quote from: Intercooler on September 25 2014 05:43:19 AM MDT
How does the 220 compare to the others and any idea the expected lbs on the trigger pulls? So this would be a carry piece? I'm fond of SA only for a range piece.
S/A trigger pull on my P220 is 5 pounds. Heavier than I thought. Didn't know much about trigger scales when I bought mine as it only goes up to 8 pounds. D/A on the P220 is off the scale, so I can only guess that it is around 10 pounds. For me, the P220 is far too big and heavy for anything but a range gun and a bedside gun.
I haven't shot it much since I bought a 1911 which has a much nicer trigger.
My 220 is a duty gun. The 10mm will be a nice fit. A tank frame. Now CZ, get it together.
Single stack? Seems like the Witness DA/SA is still s better option based on the trigger pull.
Single stack yes on 220.But, The Sig slide is already heavy duty.
Also keep in mind. The Sig is more designed as a preferred carry piece.
I have always wanted to be a Sig fan. I like the look of the Sig guns. But lacking a 10mm I never really paid them much mind.
I am so doing the happy dance at this news.
In response sqbullet, It's a viable well earned platform.
My agency just got new Sig 229's. The trigger is the SRT trigger and it is excellent. The gun shoots great as well. I have high hopes for a Sig in 10mm...
I also got to hold a Witness Match yesterday but I didn't get to shoot it. I was very impressed with the feel. IC, if you are ever up in Jersey I would love to shoot one.
I hate to be the downer on this one, but wonder how this fits in?
If the 10mm version comes out in the same $1100 price range as the .45 version:
http://www.osagecountyguns.com/p220r-match-elite-45-sts-adj-s.html
and is a single stack with nothing stellar in the trigger pulls, pretty thick and not all that sharp looking. My opinion here on not wanting a rail as well. I'm glad at least someone is making a 10mm, but I wish they were all double stack with with some tricks offered up and at a good price point. I think my money would be better spent buying two Match pistols, a Limited/Limited Pro or even a tricked out Glock.
Quote from: 4949shooter on September 25 2014 03:16:20 PM MDT
I also got to hold a Witness Match yesterday but I didn't get to shoot it. I was very impressed with the feel. IC, if you are ever up in Jersey I would love to shoot one.
I don't have a Match anymore and they do have a great feel though. If you ever add another one it should be on the top of your list for consideration. I base that on owning about all the 10mm platforms except the Glocks. You see which ones I kept and what gets used everytime I go out. It's a damn shame I keep the 1006 in a pouch because it isn't as nice to shoot as the Witness pistols.
My issue is I've never liked frame mounted decockers.
I hope I had something to do with this. I have been writing gun manufacturers repeatedly showing them how many members we have, promising them that there are enough 10mm fans out there and if they were to produce something they will get bought. Although I'm no fan of single stack semi autos, this will help our cause and help spread the word about 10mm. I have many friends that are "Sig only" kind of guys and refuse to buy any other gun brand. I'm not into Sig, having used them in the military police detective unit, but I will own one when they become available.
Make no mistake, this is big news. A company like Sig producing a 10mm is a huge step forward. But we can't just dream. People will need to buy them. Hopefully this will cause other companies to take notice. Would love an XD or a Ruger SR in 10mm.
We will get there, and this site will continue to pressure the gun manufacturers.
That's right Grim Reaper, I'm doing my part as well. On Facebook, I add comments almost daily, in manufactures pages asking why they don't offer a particular gun in 10mm, or when will the 10mm version be available.
Just yesterday I popped up on the Ruger FB page with a response to this;
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Quote10mm semi auto chambered Deerslayer like the 44mag version.
There are many 10mm enthusiast looking for a 10mm chambered carbine platform.
Sharp looking is eye of the beholder IC. I personally think the longslide Sig's look great. And, like Reaper says, just like we tend to be 10mm first and only guys, there are lots of Sig first and only guys. Heck, Gray Guns was selling custom P220's in 10mm for what, $2000 + gun?
And, like I said, find a P227 owner who wishes they had a gone with a P220 and trade them frames. At this point I am just planning on buying a P220 10mm and a P227 for that very purpose.
Another thing I read is it's all righty controls and no ambidextrous option.
The Elite SAO is ambi.
I think the manual of arms is to use the left index finger to decock. Haven't tried it though.
If we are nit-picking, the Sig also has one of the higher bore-axis of modern semi-auto pistols. This, combined with the legendary slide momentum of a 10mm will probably result in more muzzle flig and slower splits than from a Glock or a Witness.
Still buying. ;D
Quote from: sqlbullet on September 26 2014 10:29:50 AM MDT
If we are nit-picking, the Sig also has one of the higher bore-axis of modern semi-auto pistols. This, combined with the legendary slide momentum of a 10mm will probably result in more muzzle flig and slower splits than from a Glock or a Witness.
Still buying. ;D
True....but I would buy one too.
I heard you can get on the pre-order list now and it's growing.
Redirecting funds as we speak.
Will never happen. The Sig fanboys would wet their panties if they ever shot a real mans cartridge. :P
Quote from: justin10mm on September 26 2014 07:31:37 PM MDT
Will never happen. The Sig fanboys would wet their panties if they ever shot a real mans cartridge. :P
:))
P220 is a nice weapon. If this is true it will be great.
so where does the .357Sig fall on the Mancard Semi-Auto list of Manly Cartridges that Grow Hair on your Chest when you shoot it...? ::)
Quote from: Pinsnscrews on September 26 2014 10:10:24 PM MDT
so where does the .357Sig fall on the Mancard Semi-Auto list of Manly Cartridges that Grow Hair on your Chest when you shoot it...? ::)
falls just behind the 10mm. Great cartridge outside of the 10mm
I have a P220 and it's a great shooting gun, the only thing I don't like about it is the lack of ammo capacity (7+1)....
Quote from: 10mm Tim on September 27 2014 10:32:39 AM MDT
I have a P220 and it's a great shooting gun, the only thing I don't like about it is the lack of ammo capacity (7+1)....
Only important in the commy state of NY :)
Quote from: tommac919 on September 27 2014 11:03:09 AM MDT
Quote from: 10mm Tim on September 27 2014 10:32:39 AM MDT
I have a P220 and it's a great shooting gun, the only thing I don't like about it is the lack of ammo capacity (7+1)....
Only important in the commy state of NY :)
That's the capacity of it's single stack magazine, it's not a state law....
If it comes to be, this is great news for the 10mm.
Capacity should be either 8+1 or 9+1. One can load more .40 rounds than .45. (I run 9+1 in my 10mm 1911)
Sig's are very nice guns. My first carry piece was a Sig P229 in .40S&W. Liked the quality, the grip and it's precision. By training to focus on the sight picture rather than the trigger transition, the DA/SA is no problem. In a thin Kydex holster, the rig is much easier to conceal than a Glock.
When I decided to switch to 10mm, was considering to either buying a Grayguns 10mm P220 or have a 1911 built. If Sig had this available and it could handle 10mm loads, I might have gone that way since I had so much training with the Sig.
From the good folks over on SigForum. I for one am very excited for this. P220 is a proven platform.
http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/4280076263/p/1
Hoping to see more 10mm offerings like this at the up-coming Shot Show 8)
Do you think any of the departments will switch over to it?
Quote from: Intercooler on September 27 2014 07:10:49 PM MDT
Do you think any of the departments will switch over to it?
i think it would be a tough sale...consider the price of ammo. Can buy 2- 9mm for a 10, my dept use to go thru a lot of ammo for training....
Not to mentione the latest FBI report re 9mm is better than 40 and 45 with new tech bullets AND shot placement most important. ( and number of rounds too... heck the report supports hi cap mags! )
Never owned a Sig, but I believe that I'll have to pick up one of these when they come out.
Here are a couple of videos to see what we are looking at. These are getting me more excited than I thought:
It looks solid and that spring is very interesting plus unique! If they offer a high capacity extension mag like in the .45ACP this would be a plus.
All the controls are on the left though and doesn't look like any ambi options. I could see this with a Hogue finger groove fitting like a glove.
Is anyone here a member of that Sig board? Can you ask if they plan on doing an extended 10mm magazine? If it held 10+ rounds I think this is a win!
There are many P220® options on the Sig Sauer site
http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductList/pistols-p220.aspx (http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductList/pistols-p220.aspx)
The all-stainless construction of the P220® Elite Stainless information
http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p220-elite-stainless.aspx (http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p220-elite-stainless.aspx)
dupe thread... read http://10mm-firearms.com/general-discussion/sig-sauer-announces-the-p220-10mm/msg35042/#msg35042
Edit - I merged the threads --sqlbullet
The SIG P220 is a great platform, although the bore axis is very high compared to almost any other handgun. I would expect that this model would come with an SRT installed in it, if so the single action trigger pull will rival a tuned 1911. For me the major drawback will be the low mag capacity.
And as already mentioned, swapping top ends is always an option to create something that the factory won't do.
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Dept's would never go to 10mm. They are a diverse bunch of recruits and Ofc's. Exception might be the rural/outback areas.
The implications from SIG's announcement is enormous, and should have a profound effect on forces, that influence handgun sales worldwide. Manufacturers who listen to 'market demands', and have the foresight to act on market influences, usually are the creators of "the next big thing", and this is it! As a 'mainstream' caliber, in general usage; the 10mm's real-world applications would be appreciated by the largest possible consumer base. I'm hoping this stimulus, will help enable Vltor/Abrams into immediate 'direct action' to finally deliver a physical 'Bren Ten' product into retail circulation. Everyone here, has posited their wish-list of 10mm arms. This forward-thinking action, by a large arms company like SIG Sauer might just be the catalyst, that gun world needs to spur these dreams into physical reality.
Looking forward to seeing and handling more 10mm offering like this at the up-coming Shot Show
Quote from: 10mm Tim on September 27 2014 01:24:30 PM MDT
Quote from: tommac919 on September 27 2014 11:03:09 AM MDT
Quote from: 10mm Tim on September 27 2014 10:32:39 AM MDT
I have a P220 and it's a great shooting gun, the only thing I don't like about it is the lack of ammo capacity (7+1)....
Only important in the commy state of NY :)
That's the capacity of it's single stack magazine, it's not a state law....
Actually in NY it is...(until the Western district ruling is 100% accepted)... You can be a possible court case on Long Island as some da's have not fully agreed to abide by the ruling and/or the NYS trooper recommend procedure.
I have a P220 and I would love to have one!!!
Stopped at the local LGS over the weekend and handled a P220.
Price at this particular store for a bare bones 45 ACP P220 was $879.00 before tax and transfer fees.
I personally found the back of the grip frame to be a bit narrow. I fear it might be a bit uncomfortable with full power 10mm ammo and factory grips. Looks like there are lots of options though. And, I am used to a para P-16, so that may have been part of it.
Trigger pull DA was nice and smooth, and surprisingly light. Also not terribly long. SA had a bunch of creep-free take-up, then a crisp creep-free break. Lighter than my Witness, but heavier than my Elite Match and 1911. Reset was on the long side as you had to go to the front of the SA take-up.
Very good pointability, at least for me. It is hard to get my usual high-grip though, and I do suspect muzzle flip will be an issue in a P220 10mm with the bore axis so high.
All in all, a great add for 10mm if they follow through. I think lots of us will buy them, giving Sig a small buy loyal customer pool they don't currently access. And I think lots of hard core Sig fans will grab one so they can have a 10mm. I think this will be a great symbiosis.
Quote from: The_Shadow on September 24 2014 08:35:55 PM MDT
Don't know how true this is but have a look see!
http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/4280076263 (http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/4280076263)
Three models will be offered: (we will see)
P220 Stainless Elite 10mm, standard length slide and barrel, traditional DA/SA trigger
P220 Match Elite 10mm, stainless, long slide, 5" barrel, traditional DA/SA trigger
I see a P220 Elite in my future. I like the P220 as a 45ACP but never bought one. As a 10mm that's a whole different story
P220 SAO 10mm, stainless, long slide, 5" barrel, single action only trigger
I attended armorer training last month for the new P227's that are being rolled out to my dept. I asked the Sig rep about a 10mm offering. He informed me it was coming in the P220 first, then will be followed by the double stack P227. This should satisfy the guys knocking it for capacity.
Even more happy dance. I will still buy a 220...doing my part to make sure they don't back out on the 227 because of lackluster sales.
Sig has said they are going to build a 10mm in 3 versions of their P220 gun. I will be waiting for a full size all steel model. No mention on how soon the guns will hit the market.
And another merge -- sqlbullet
If this is available with a .40 and .357 conversion it could be a hit.
Good thing I got that new American Express with $6,000 limit :P
now you buy about 6 new 10mm sigs.
I think I paid $1k for my 220 ( around there ) and prob the amount will be similar.
This is great! I know a few sig guys who think everything else is crap. This will get their attention quite fast. I don't own a sig yet but this could be my reason to buy one. Would rather have the 227 model. Emailed several gun guys I know this thread. Hope this sells big 8)
~$1000 for s single stack 10mm pistol with a low bore axis? Pass.
Quote from: Slateman on October 04 2014 05:17:26 PM MDT
~$1000 for s single stack 10mm pistol with a low bore axis? Pass.
I think you meant high bore axis.
I will wait and reserve judgement to see what price point it comes in at. There are other firearms on my list before that one.
Quote from: sqlbullet on October 06 2014 02:17:32 AM MDT
Quote from: Slateman on October 04 2014 05:17:26 PM MDT
~$1000 for s single stack 10mm pistol with a low bore axis? Pass.
I think you meant high bore axis.
Ye, thats what I meant
So did this turn out to be a myth?
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Man it seems he was trippin' and slippin' in the drool! :P
It a same Obama Care is raping my wallet on a monthly basis! ???