I was at my favorite powder/primer supplier and there was a lb of Alliant BE-86 pistol powder looking back at me. Had to do it. I also recently bought a lb of CFE Pistol that have yet to touch.
Maybe I like 'em when I get a chance to work up some loads.
Greg
I have been looking for some of BE-86 but haven't had any luck! Maybe that will change soon...
Greg, I'll be looking to see how it works out for you! 8)
Cursory google foo seems to indicate this may be power pistol without the flash.
Although the data seems to indicate it provides better velocity with less powder at least for 165 grain GDHP.
One very good thing is Alliant has good BE-86 data for a wide variety of 10mm projectiles
Here is the Alliant published 10mm data for BE-86
(https://s20.postimg.org/56rfq7k31/Alliant_Be8610mm_zps99575ebc.jpg)
Only wish they had the pressure data to show where these are pressure wise. :(
I had the same thought when I looked over this list.
Quote from: sqlbullet on September 13 2014 07:55:52 PM MDT
Cursory google foo seems to indicate this may be power pistol without the flash.
It was described by Alliant to the store owner as "Unique that meters better", which makes sense that they would target the other guy's powder rather than theirs.
The label does state it contains a flash suppressant.
Greg
Greg, "BE-86" was modeled off Bullseye (hence the BE designator), "Power Pistol" was also modeled from "Bullseye" and was designated "BE-84" in the beginning from what I remember. Therefore the kernel size and shape may be similar to Bullseye or Power Pistol. "BE-86" is said to be slightly slower burning than Bullseye, and contains the flash retardant, However I don't know that it will be slower burning than "Power Pistol". Alliant does make their powder call "Unique" as well it is a larger flake.
QUESTION: Does the "BE-86" show any designators, like off colored or different size flakes in the mix?
BTW, Hodgdon's has Clays in three configurations, "Clays", "International Clays" "Universal Clays" that was the was near the burn range of Alliant's Unique.
Picture of Alliant Power Pistol
(http://www.ilrc.ucf.edu/powders/documents/powder%2000000004/SP_Ref__599_10x.jpg)
Picture of Alliant Bullseye
(http://www.ilrc.ucf.edu/powders/documents/powder%2000000106/Powder_0000106.jpg)
Picture of Alliant Unique
(http://www.ilrc.ucf.edu/powders/documents/powder%2000000122/Powder_0000122.jpg)
Pics
(http://www.spanielsport.com/photos/i-CMQKXKK/0/L/i-CMQKXKK-L.jpg)
(http://www.spanielsport.com/photos/i-gZTs8T7/0/L/i-gZTs8T7-L.jpg)
(http://www.spanielsport.com/photos/i-CQp6bgR/0/L/i-CQp6bgR-L.jpg)
I'll send them to you by email, one by one.
Greg
Well thank you very much for the pictures Greg! ;D
Yes, I do see an identifier flake in that powder, slightly translucent off color flakes, this may have been used in other ammo in the pull-downs, that I marked as Power Pistol... ::) :-[
I remember a couple of pull-downs I marked as Power Pistol as having an identifier of slightly larger, translucent, off color flakes in the mix. Buffalo Bore, CCI Blazer and a Hornady loading...
The main thing I want to study is just how close to the Power Pistol performance tracks and if it was merely just the flash retardant that makes it different...(It would be nice if companies like Alliant would divulge the info so we can make better choices!)
Surprised, trying to wrap my head around this. Just last week, I contacted the sport shop I buy most of my supplies at. Talked to my usual salesman asking for AA#9. He said he had nothing for handgun, except a huge shipment of the new Alliant BE-86 powder @ $21.99 per 1lb. Had him put 2 lbs(the daily limit) on hold for 24 hrs. I then went to the Alliant website and looked up BE-86 load data, a lot of data, but 10mm wasn't listed, nor was it in the 2014 complimentary Alliant manual. I called Alliant and talked to a tech, he only had 1 10mm load for the 165gr. I asked him about the burn rate, he said it was faster than PP, but a slower version of Bullseye. I also asked him about the lack of 10mm data with this powder, he said they develop loads by popularity of the caliber, with common calibers 1st and with the most data(his words). Seeing I will be loading mainly 150 and 200gr bullets, I called back and told him to take my name off the 2 pounds I had on hold. Don't know what they have left or if they raised price based on demand as this was a week ago. But imagine my shock when I saw this new Alliant data, just one week after speaking to Alliant. As a consolation I did find a place that has 100 1lb containers of 800x, I will be going there tomorrow to get a few pounds. Hoping they might have a pound of VV105,or longshot. Also a thank you to the Shadow for helping me with load development with my Alcan! Kind regards to All,,,Todd
Todd, maybe you missed the post in this section above, I posted the BE-86 10mm data, it was on there website. I copied that data and posted it here for you and all of us. The pictures confirmed this powder to have an identifier that I saw in some of the previous pull-downs. I even went back to those post and added notes to reflect that they might have been using BE-86 prior to it becoming available to the public.
Don't get discouraged, BE-86 is going to be a great powder for the 10mm...
Hard to believe we are so excited in a 10mm forum for a Bulls-Eye derivative! None the less, it does appear this may be a good powder for us. Best of all, it may be an available powder.
Four Pull-Down loadings that appear to have used BE-86 are,
CCI Blazer 200 gr. TMJ
http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-10mm-ammo-pull-downs/cci-200-gr-tmj-pull-down/ (http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-10mm-ammo-pull-downs/cci-200-gr-tmj-pull-down/)
CCI Blazer 200 gr TMJ (Redline's)
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s271/glock20c10mm/Ammo%20Pics/10mmBlazer200TMJ-crop.jpg)
Hornady 155gr XTP (Redline's)
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s271/glock20c10mm/Ammo%20Pics/10mmHornady155XTP-crop.jpg)
Buffalo Bore loadings the 220gr cast
http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-10mm-ammo-pull-downs/buffalo-bore-220gr-hard-cast-pull-down/ (http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-10mm-ammo-pull-downs/buffalo-bore-220gr-hard-cast-pull-down/)
The Buffalo Bore 180gr Gold Dot that was done by RDUB on his forum.
http://www.handgunforum.net/range-report/32001-glock-20sf-buffalo-bore-180grjhc.html (http://www.handgunforum.net/range-report/32001-glock-20sf-buffalo-bore-180grjhc.html)
Have a look for yourselves...The regular kernels looked like Power Pistol with a off color whitish translucent identifier. The formula tweeks appear to be a slightly faster burn rate than Power Pistol (why do I say this looking at the data using slightly less BE-86 seems to yield more velocity than PP), flash retardants added and an identifier flake!
This new BE-86 formula may place it very close to the performance of 800X & LongShot. :D
If I get some BE-86 I will shoot to duplicate some of the loadings just to establish the performance velocities. Wish me luck finding some...
Heres hoping for 800X performance in a powder that meters well. Another Longshot is most welcome. Especially since my father-in-law is a retired ATK employee and can get me deals on Alliant powder.
I gave $16.69 for a pound. Its the same price they charge for Power Pistol. It looks like charge weights will be light in comparison to Longshot, cheaper by the pound, and if it is close to that performance it will be a winner!
I loaded some 9mm and it seems to fill the case well. If its flash suppressed Power Pistol, that would be good. Power Pistol was very capable of throwing some really impressive fireballs.
Greg
Quote from: Geeman on September 16 2014 06:58:56 PM MDT
I gave $16.69 for a pound....
Greg
This is the biggest reason I like Alliant powders. They are always 25% cheaper around here.