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All 10mm ammo is sold out
Hope he gets the loaders fired up soon.. 200 TMJ is my plinking load and have no more.
One thing about Underwood.
They seem to make 'em as fast as they sell them out.
Georgia Arms and Armscor look good right about now. I see PBR has the Premium (strong but easy enough on the pistol) and Velocity Supreme (rip roaring and not for a steady diet).
Looks like all of the Underwood ammo is being moved through Able Ammo.
Hmmmm. Maybe they are going on vacation and made a deal with Able to be the supplier during that period?
Usually Underwood gets their stuff back in stock very quickly. Probably will have some 180 gr tmj complete during the work week. In the meantime you have PBR to handle your full power needs. Targetsportsusa has Remington in stock. Lax has reloads and newly made ammunition for sale as well.
Think I have 2 boxes of their 180 grain TMJ I still haven't shot.
Too busy tuning up my reloads.
Interesting. To my knowledge Underwood has always sold direct via his website and now literally within days his entire inventory of 10mm is sold out and coincidentally at the exact same moment Able Ammo suddenly begins marketing the exact same SKU product mix previously found on Underwood's website....Exact same price point too by the way.
::)
May or maynot be signal of things to come, but no doubt this is a clear departure from Underwood's previous marketing strategy. Insted of discounting and moving inventory to end users as in the past, he's elected on this occasion to discount and sell wholesale to other online retailers.
Unfortunate development in my opinion. :(
Rojo, I agree with you. Underwood has been extremely overpriced (as well as everyone else). A box of any hot 10mm should be around 19.99 if we ever get ammo prices normalized again. Paying $35 bucks a box is robbery. I shoot the cheaper and weaker Armscor and PPU at 19.99 a box. If armscor would just put another grain of powder in the case they would have great 10mm ammo. As it is now it is fairly weak. It really doesn't cost anything to add that one grain.....
Quote from: Spkrdctr on May 19 2014 01:10:09 PM MDT
Rojo, I agree with you. Underwood has been extremely overpriced (as well as everyone else). A box of any hot 10mm should be around 19.99 if we ever get ammo prices normalized again. Paying $35 bucks a box is robbery. I shoot the cheaper and weaker Armscor and PPU at 19.99 a box. If armscor would just put another grain of powder in the case they would have great 10mm ammo. As it is now it is fairly weak. It really doesn't cost anything to add that one grain.....
Yet you put in a very strong case for reloading. Tailor make the stuff the way YOU want it. I think the last time I ran the reloading calculator I was coming up with about $9 a box of fifty for 185 grain 10mm.
Not sure what is up but PBR is the next best option in my option
what is the cheapest i can get setup to reload some 10mm? i'll shoot lead boolits with my lonewolf barrel to save dough.
The prices for Underwood 10mm are making me take the plunge into reloading. PBR is more expensive for me than Underwood with shipping, so I don't intend on buying from them. They would be my 2nd choice though.
I will likely buy SD ammo from Underwood, but that's about it.
I enjoy shooting full power 10mm but at this time not set up to reload. I have been looking into getting the ended equipment to start though.
I agree. It's pricy with market conditions as they are. I pulled back on shooting it as much as i did in the past. Shooting other calibers more so. Which is fine although i do miss the frequency.
I feel ya. Shoot about 150 9mm, 50 .357 mag, 50 10mm. Won't see me go to the range with 200 10mm.
IF Underwood does not sell 10mm direct anymore, I won't be buying any more. Able Ammo is in TX so I would have to pay 8.5% in sales taxes on top of the now even higher Able price since they want their cut also plus shipping for me in north Texas. too expensive.
Same here. Large markup for no reason. Going to have to get into reloading.
I will just carry and shoot my 44 more
Going to shoot a box of Underwood 180 grain TMJ today.
Quote from: gandog56 on May 22 2014 05:49:23 AM MDT
Going to shoot a box of Underwood 180 grain TMJ today.
What? I thought you rolled your own?
I emailed Brooke from Underwood last week and she said that she will be stocking 180 TMJ withen the next couple weeks. On top of that she said that she was going to email me when they are in stock. Underwood ammo seems to have great customer service.
Quote from: Intercooler on May 22 2014 07:01:10 AM MDT
Quote from: gandog56 on May 22 2014 05:49:23 AM MDT
Going to shoot a box of Underwood 180 grain TMJ today.
What? I thought you rolled your own?
Everybody was raving about these things. I bought two boxes to see how they compared. Also bought two boxes of the new Ted Nugent stuff.
Oh. Okay, we wouldn't want you to like them too much ;D
If I don't like 'em, I still get the brass.
A friend of mine spoke to Kevin the other day. Kevin said he is having trouble locating components, and made no mention of selling only to distributers. If you remember a while back, Underwood advertised they were going to start marketing their ammo in stores in addition to selling directly on line. Perhaps this is the beginning of that, or the result.
Quote from: 4949shooter on May 24 2014 05:07:09 AM MDT
A friend of mine spoke to Kevin the other day. Kevin said he is having trouble locating components, and made no mention of selling only to distributers. If you remember a while back, Underwood advertised they were going to start marketing their ammo in stores in addition to selling directly on line. Perhaps this is the beginning of that, or the result.
This is good news.... I am having a hard time trying to find 200gr range ammo and always shoot Kevin's 200gr TMJ
From their website.
QuoteDue to overwhelming demand within the ammunition industry, you will notice low to empty stock on many of our items here at Underwood Ammo. We are staying in constant contact with our suppliers, who are also experiencing high demand, to make sure that we will be able to continue to offer you the products we take such pride in. We appreciate your patience and understanding as we wait for supply shipments to come in and do our best to load the partial shipments we receive. We are also doing our best to respond to emails in a timely manner and answer your calls throughout the day, but again, ask for your patience. We greatly appreciate you and your business.
Thank you for choosing Underwood Ammo!
im sure double tap went through the same phases
1. high quality, low priced
2. we are getting popular - shortage
3. demand is high lets raise our prices
4. lets have other people sale our product while we count the money
5. how can we optimize profits? - lets water them down- no one will ever know because of of our good rep
6. cats out of the bag, but lets keep our prices high since they are warmer than others
7. oh no other people are making reliable quality ammo at a much cheaper price. lets stay high but put a few more gains of powder back in them.
8. maybe somebody will buy us out for a few million and we can retire.
well hell that sounds about right for every company (in a nut shell)
capitalism
but hey if i didnt have a 10mm i would never order from them or anybody else. just take my happy arse to any local store and get my ammo.
Well here is what is actually going on. This "O" Communist Government Gone Wild for control and money, have jacked the fuel prices up. This in turn has raised shipping prices on everything being shipped to and fro. Also over regulations, increases raw materials prices of metals has risen to higher levels, besides the increased fuel cost to produce commodities, these cost get passed along to the powder makers, brass producers and companies like Underwood, McNett, Buffalo Bore, Remington, Federal, Winchester, CCI, etc.
Now throw in the higher panic buying demands, sucking up the products as fast as they can, at these higher cost, filling the government coffers with tax money every step of the way. Higher cost = more taxes!
If the ammo makers cut back a few grains of powder they can load a few more rounds, yes most of those buying would never know...The pull-downs haven't shown Underwood reduced any of his loadings. However he has changed components (driven by shortages of supplies) to continue supplying products to the consumers. 8)
If you want to place blame start at the top and follow the money and that leads you to Greedy Government that is strangling this nations economy and way of life! >:( >:D :'(
This is what happens when you have a Gov't controlled by Central Bankers. The "monetary policy" we need is already in the Constitution: only gold and silver shall be used
It's a Ponzi scheme, and all Ponzi's come to an end. I am not a fan of "O", but let's call it for what it is, a sold out gov't long ago. It works in tandem ONLY to it's masters. Inflation has reared it's ugly head for energy and food and the things one needs. All costs passed along. The premise is that we are going to inflate are way out of debt. Never works, never has. It ends as a bust, or hyperinflation. it's no longer a free market, but a controlled market. It's rigged from Wall St to Wash.
I am not going to argue that we have a long history of bad fiscal policy in this country under a wide variety of administrations.
But the idea of returning to the gold standard isn't very sound either. Gold, silver, (other precious) metals, paper, etc are merely placeholders to represent actual goods or services. There are a number of problems with the gold standard, some of which contributed significantly to the Great Depression. (http://econbrowser.com/archives/2005/12/the_gold_standa) The most easily understood relates to the fact that the gold supply is limited. There is a finite amount of the stuff on earth.
But wealth is NOT similarly limited. We actually have more consumable goods by several orders of magnitude today than we did 50 or 100 years ago.
This means instability in the relationship of the value of currency in relation to goods/services. And, at it's core, instability is the real issue. I need my pay to consistently be able to buy the goods and services needed to care for my family. Instability makes the market nervous. And a nervous market results in hoarding, runs on goods, and curtailing of discretionary spending. All of which further exacerbate the instability.
The correct course of action is to correctly control the supply of currency so the currency accurately represents the amount of goods/services, eg real world goods, that are in the economy. Unfortunately, creating system where the supply of money is elastic in this way also creates the ability for those in control of the money supply to manipulate it for their own good.
Given the relative stability we have had over the last 80 years, our current system is bad. But it still has a long way to go.
Wait...Why is this thread entitled "Underwood Ammo"? :P
QuoteThis "O" Communist Government Gone Wild for control and money, have jacked the fuel prices up.
I payed $3.79 a gallon today for gas....in June of 2008 I was paying $3.70-$3.90. While I'm no fan of 'O', not sure how we blame him.
Underwood was plentiful a few months ago....it goes to show that one should buy when they can....Strike when the irons hot.
Gold is Money. JP Morgan testifying at Senate Hearing a few months before his death. Always has and always will. Currency is not money. That's why Russia, China and India have been full steam ahead on accumulation. In the late 60's and early 70's 10 cents got you what a buck gets today. And were not arguing, were simply factoring symptoms of costs. I agree, there are other factors as you mentioned. But I mentioned months ago here that this would come due to misalacations in the market. It's not just Underwood, but across the board. Regardless, it sucks all around and hurts us, not the 1%.
Agreed.
And further, neither gold nor currency do you a dang bit of good if you are stuck outside, naked and hungry when no one is selling lodging, clothes or food because they worry they don't have enough.
I tend to fall back to the basics in what I "bank" first. Food, clothes, cigarettes and whiskey. (And I don't drink or smoke).
Well this well worn thread and saga has run the full cycle... ;)
Underwood has 6 different choices of 10mm back in inventory and for sale on his direct website.
Agree as well. Gold is insurance, nothing else. What I was getting at is there is a correlation between excess printing of fiat and energy. All those FRN's chasing to few goods (commodities). Sure we get TV's at 99 bucks, but we can't eat them. And the criminals took out the factor of calculating inflation in the CPI of food and energy. And what do we have presently, high food and energy costs = higher production costs for ammo. The rest of the world is pissed at the fact the U.S. is abusing it's reserve currency status and exporting high costs on them. Oil is traded in dollars (Petro Dollar) only. But that won't last as other countries are signing deals away from the dollar. The dollar is being debased. Also we in the 10mm world are not shooting the common round out there being made in excess. So were screwed all around.
they have some 10mm ammo back in stock