Probably be an EAA witness match
I have a RIA 1911 in 10mm.
Could be :
Another tanfogilo model
??
I'm not a Glock hater, every time I touch one my hand says no not that
Anybody that thinks EAA is it please chime in. Anybody that thinks I should be looking at something else let me know that ALSO
probably 1000 is my limit
Your taste in a Tanfoglio is just fine. At least your starting with the Match.
Yup. Match on up and you are on solid ground!
Good to know. I Called EAA, was surprised to learn that caliber conversion kits cost $589.90. Wow guess they don't want to sell a lot of those.
My next will be another S&W or a Mectec upper. I may pick up a used Glock 10mm if I can find one locally but I'm in no hurry.
That's probably for a Match conversion and not a standard long-slide. Kind of forces your hand into buying another pistol huh?
An STI 2011 Double Stack or a DW Titan, either with (of course) a Compact Upper....I WISH !
So, I almost pulled the trigger on a mid-sized 10mm 1911 Armscor let night, but the 4 units quickly disappeared from gun genie. I hope some of our members got them.
My only immediate gratification seems to be a EAA Limited Witness. (The one with the competition magwell) I don't know much about this gun. Is it worth the approx. $400 more.
Intercooler, you seem to be the resident EAA expert. (no offense to others, I just seem to remember a lot of posts from you on EAA pistols.) What do you think?
It's the top of the line! The features make it a cut above all the others. The Match is the value King of the bunch and not much difference in how it shoots the 10mm versus the Limited Pro or Limited. If you have the coin the Limited is awesome. I have the 9mm and 10mm versions and love them both, but also baby the 10mm shooting the others more often.
I've been seriously thinking of pulling the trigger on a Witness Limited for my next 10
If you can find one it will put a :D on your face.
Let me help twist your arm
(http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o128/NorCaltrx450r/tanfogliowitnesselitelimitedleft.jpg)
That Limited is Smooth and Sleek and I like the look, except for the magwell extension, I'm sure it's functional but I could do without it! ::)
Quote from: The_Shadow on May 08 2014 08:55:25 PM MDT
That Limited is Smooth and Sleek and I like the look, except for the magwell extension, I'm sure it's functional but I could do without it! ::)
Quote from: The_Shadow on May 08 2014 08:55:25 PM MDT
That Limited is Smooth and Sleek and I like the look, except for the magwell extension, I'm sure it's functional but I could do without it! ::)
I agree. I would like this better without the magwell. I suppose you could put longer grips on it and remove the magwell.
You could remove it and put longer panels on with no problem and people are looking for the magwell if you want to sell it. It makes loading the magazines super easy with it on though.
So this really comes down to the limited at around $1100 versus match at $700
Is it worth it?
My next 10mm will be....A ruger blackhawk 38-40/10mm.....just picked up the purchase permit...next week
The revolver.
Just bought the EAA Witness Match. I wanted some money for enhancements and other gun expenses. $1,100 was to much of a stretch.
I guess I'll have to sell my M&P 9mm & .40 and/or the .45
Quote from: SagSlim59 on May 09 2014 03:32:55 PM MDT
My next 10mm will be....A ruger blackhawk 38-40/10mm.....just picked up the purchase permit...next week
The revolver.
I'd LOVE a 10mm Ruger....BUT
I do not like the New Model Blackhawks
Glock 20sf or fusion longslide for me
I have expensive Dan Wesson Razorback and Fusion Firearms 10mm's for serious shooting. I'm trying to find a much less expensive RIA Tac II 10mm for pure plinking fun. I do like 1911 platfirms over Glocks or EAA's.
Had a 1911 Dan Wesson and never again. Pretty, accurate... limited on capacity and just not enough heft plus I never cared for the hand feel. When you shoot the Magnum level stuff I feel you need some weight and I don't think they will pop off the 220/230gr Hardcasts without some issues here and there. It's the same principal as to why the light Magnum wheel guns aren't real fun. Have you shot the EAA platform Gangdog? It's hard to make statements one versus the others without shooting them all.
Well I only have the RIA 10mm. I really like it & the feel of 1911s. So far I trust my M&P 45 (bedside) or Shield 40 (carry). I started with M&P. but I shoot my 2 1911s the best.
I have EAA Winess match to pick up next Thursday. We will see. That's part of the fun of shooting is trying new things
The rock is basically a $1200 1911 for $600. The 10 mm model has been a little more of RIA figuring it out than the 45 model. (They have built 45s for a long time)
My newer one has worked pretty much right out-of-the-box. I did send it back in because I bent the ejector so the jury still out on shooting Magnum loads with that particular pistol. 6gr. Titegroup on 180 bullet. Plus UW 180s
Barrel support & general construction on the Rock can handle bigger loads.
Another nice 1911 is the Ruger SR1911
You get a lot of Pistol for the money
Costs about $650-700.00
I just wish they'd offer it in 10mm
(http://thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Loves-Me-Like-a-Rock-II-Ruger-SR1911.jpg)
I had a ruger 1911, I never liked it I sold it to help pay for the kimber. Nothing wrong with it I just had no attachment.
Quote from: Intercooler on May 10 2014 09:05:32 AM MDT
Had a 1911 Dan Wesson and never again. Pretty, accurate... limited on capacity and just not enough heft plus I never cared for the hand feel. When you shoot the Magnum level stuff I feel you need some weight and I don't think they will pop off the 220/230gr Hardcasts without some issues here and there. It's the same principal as to why the light Magnum wheel guns aren't real fun. Have you shot the EAA platform Gangdog? It's hard to make statements one versus the others without shooting them all.
If you need more than eight shots, you should be running not shooting.
My hand is pretty small with short fingers. I can't hardly hold any double stack larger than a 9mm.
Said the guy with 4-5 attackers ;D
I will take as many as one will hold. That is 2 or 4 leg coming at me ;D
I'm going on the hunch you haven't shot a Witness? If you were close I would let you try mine and you might just think the double-stack isn't big. I don't have large hands either (fat maybe) and they work well for me. More comfy than just about anything else I have tried.
Oh I don't know. If me and my 10 can shoot like this, bring on 7-8.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Gandog56/dwgroup.jpg)
Off hand or on a rest? Rested or secured doesn't count ;D
I have a 1911 and like it so I'm don't think I'm biased.
Just bought I the tanfogilo because I thought the feel of the gun was good.
I haven't liked the doublestack 1911 or the Glock.
The witness match seemed more like my Smith M&Ps to me, comfortable.
Do you have it yet? Let us know what you think of the fit and feel, then maybe a range review. I'm still torn on buying one of these too.
Mine will be a Kimber TLE/RL in 10mm to go with my 10yr old Kimber Eclipse 10.
Quote from: Dave84 on May 12 2014 07:53:09 PM MDT
Do you have it yet? Let us know what you think of the fit and feel, then maybe a range review. I'm still torn on buying one of these too.
Picking it up Thursday. My FFL guy back then.
Quote from: Bonehead on May 13 2014 04:36:40 AM MDT
Mine will be a Kimber TLE/RL in 10mm to go with my 10yr old Kimber Eclipse 10.
I like my tle I don't have the rl, I couldn't stand the polymer msh so I replaced it with a fusion msh with a magwell
Should be ordering my RIA Tac II tonight.
Quote from: gandog56 on May 13 2014 12:31:30 PM MDT
Should be ordering my RIA Tac II tonight.
Hope you like it. I like mine. I have 1911 model. Are you getting 1911 or 2011 model?
Quote from: sstewart on May 13 2014 01:59:12 PM MDT
Quote from: gandog56 on May 13 2014 12:31:30 PM MDT
Should be ordering my RIA Tac II tonight.
Hope you like it. I like mine. I have 1911 model. Are you getting 1911 or 2011 model?
(http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/414746000/414746950/pix490333144.jpg)
Yup that's the one. Mine has small logo. If you get billboard one, it prob. Has light recoil spring.
Billboard does not bother me if it shoots straight. As to the spring, what is considered a good poundage spring to get?
I didn't like the finish on mine it wears fast so now it has been cerakoted.
Quote from: gandog56 on May 15 2014 07:24:53 AM MDT
Billboard does not bother me if it shoots straight. As to the spring, what is considered a good poundage spring to get?
Per Steve (harleyhopper):
But on my Rock 10, a 20# recoil, 22# main spring and flag bottom firing pin stop have given me the best results. The brass piles up neatly and consistently about 15' away.
I do have a 22# Wolff recoil and 25# main springs to try but why change a good thing.
Wish I could post this iphone pic. Steve
My newer one came with a 20lb recoil, not sure on mainspring
Picked up my new 10mm this evening:
Shot approx. 150 rounds:
50 Federal
15 Underwood 180 JHP
3 Hornady Critical Defense
rest reloads of 6gr titegroup with 180gr Rainer TC
All I can say is Yahoo !!
gun worked perfectly. I have 2 nit picky issues. Mags stick. All 3 factory mags don't slide out and done release very easily wither. And this is my 1st pistol with all black sights, pretty sure I am going to upgrade to Henning sight pair for match. Anyone recommend that.
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Quote from: sstewart on May 15 2014 09:42:23 PM MDT
Mags stick. All 3 factory mags don't slide out and done release very easily wither.
My Witness did the same thing with all four of my Mags
I had to give the Mag Catch a little lovin' for them to drop free
Quote from: DenStinett on May 15 2014 10:21:06 PM MDT
Quote from: sstewart on May 15 2014 09:42:23 PM MDT
Mags stick. All 3 factory mags don't slide out and done release very easily wither.
My Witness did the same thing with all four of my Mags
I had to give the Mag Catch a little lovin' for them to drop free
Since I am not that experienced, what did you do. How did you file them specifically.
I like the all black rear with a fiber front. Get the Dawson front! They changed the design to bolt like factory.
Quote from: Intercooler on May 16 2014 12:24:42 PM MDT
I like the all black rear with a fiber front. Get the Dawson front! They changed the design to bolt like factory.
You like better than the Henning set?
I have both, but my Dawson is the old style. I prefer the new style Dawson because of the install.
I started this a while back to see what was what.
http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=177611
Intercooler, how do the triggers compare? One of those most important aspects of a weapons accuracy.
Does anyone have any experience with the Limited pro? Looks really nice.
The Pro is DA/SA and when fired in SA it has the same feel as the Match SA. My Pro isn't fully broken in and gives about 3.5lbs in SA. My Match started out similar to that in pull, but eventually was about a 2.5lb pull when I sold it. I don't think you want much less! The DA pull on the Pro is better than my 1006. If you polish some things up (search on Enos Forum) you can get below 2lbs... That's not for me!
Getting excited. Seriously Thinking of pulling the trigger on the purchase on a new witness. You have a limited too, right? How does that compare to the other 2 models? I don't really like the magwell feature but the whole package looks great. I'm drooling over one on CTD right now. 1085 is steep but it certainly looks awesome. Would have to hide that one from the wife or find myself single.
I have two Limiteds (9mm/10mm), a Hunter and a Pro. The Limited is the top of the line and I actually like the Magwell.
I guess my only qualm against it are that my other mags would be incompatible with it. Could you tell me your comparison of the limited to the pro?
You can take the Magwell off and put longer panels on for use with the standard magazine base pads.
The Limited has more front heft with the Cone-Loc (bull style) barrel and a full length dust cover. It's also drilled and tapped for optic mounting, SA only and comes with black and fiber fronts. It also has Ambi safety, square trigger guard, hard chromed and the Magwell. This one wouldn't be a carry piece, but is fun as can be!
If you want a better $$ option with front heft the Match has about the heaviest frame and the same SA trigger. It has a rail and a black slide instead of the Limited hard chrome slide and a round trigger guard. This one has a low profile LPA rear sight which isn't as good as the Supersight on the Limited. You could carry this one, but the heft is I believe listed 1 oz heavier than the Limited. I really love mine and put some nasty stuff through it without a single busted part other than the LPA rear sight.
The Pro will be a DA/SA with Supersight (all metal target), no rail and is hard chromed. This one also has a squared trigger guard. This would be the choice to carry and range visits.
Thank you for such a great comparison. I'm sure you just helped sell some units. That's way more detailed than their website. Thx.
I still want a Witness Hunter. I keep trying to shake the desire but it just wont go away.
Haha, you cant fight it! or at least I couldn't anyway. I had my favorite gun shop order me an Elite Limited Pro. One more 10mm for the family. Hope it arrives soon. Think it will have to be off the boat from Italy. Not much besides the base models available at the moment.
Mine will have to be a actual CZ. I am praying to the gods of CZ to pull thru/ sarc. I am 10 Mike Mike spent.
Not sure CZ will ever make one since they own the Dan Wesson line to cover 10mm.
I think my next 10mm needs to be a revolver....yeah.
Quote from: sstewart on May 09 2014 10:18:06 AM MDT
So this really comes down to the limited at around $1100 versus match at $700
Is it worth it?
Not sure. I just spent a little over $600 on a RIA 10mm NIB. Seems to be OK except for me having to figure out how to disassemble that bushingless barrel thing.
CZ built a prototype. It's in their sights and the head man said he loved shooting it. You have to remember CZ is the parent company ;)
Hi, Everyone. I'm Jeff from Canton, Nc and new here. Seems like a pretty good site as I too am a 10mm addict. I saw the conversation here on EAA and don't think you need the Elites or the Match to get a great pistol. I have the EAA Witness Compact 10mm in poly and it is amazingly accurate. My only complaint is the shape of the trigger. I also just finished a Rock Island 1911 10mm build and for the money Rock Island is a great gun right out of the box and they also make great starter platforms for custom build.
jcsguns, welcome to the forum! There is a ton of info and many good people here who share the passion!
best regards! :D
I just bought a gen 3 glock 29 to add to the 10mm collection I am up to three now.
Congrats 10mm fan. I really like my 29. I also have three and its the only one I carry frequently. Maybe if I had a farm or lived near the wilderness I would carry my 20 or full-size witness more. What are your other two?
Kimber tle and ria tactical ii and I carry both fairly often. My first carry gun was a glock 20sf gen 3
I'm a thinking with 3 1911 10mm's, my hate of Glocks, and my (probably) misplaced trust on a Witness, it's a 10mm revolver next time!
You really need to get with someone that has a Witness and fire off some rounds. I'm betting you would toss your 1911's and gain some capacity and feel.
Quote from: gandog56 on June 02 2014 05:46:17 PM MDT
I'm a thinking with 3 1911 10mm's, my hate of Glocks, and my (probably) misplaced trust on a Witness, it's a 10mm revolver next time!
The Witness line is quite nice actually. I have the full-size steel one. It was a used 2004 make and had the problematic thin slide. After sending it in for repair it was returned to me with a much thicker/beefier slide and fully adjustable target sites. I am very happy with it. I also have ordered an Elite Limited Pro. I am very excited to try that one when it comes in.
Quote from: Intercooler on June 02 2014 07:03:34 PM MDT
You really need to get with someone that has a Witness and fire off some rounds. I'm betting you would toss your 1911's and gain some capacity and feel.
Wanna bet? Number 1 I hate Glocks because the double stack grips are too wide for my small hand. Is a Witness any better?
You shoot like this you don't NEED lots of capacity.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Gandog56/dwgroup.jpg)
Quote from: gandog56 on June 03 2014 03:14:26 PM MDT
Quote from: Intercooler on June 02 2014 07:03:34 PM MDT
You really need to get with someone that has a Witness and fire off some rounds. I'm betting you would toss your 1911's and gain some capacity and feel.
Wanna bet? Number 1 I hate Glocks because the double stack grips are too wide for my small hand. Is a Witness any better?
Just one burning question on the target. Is that off-hand shooting or some sort of rest?
I have small hands and it isn't the width of the Glock that gets me, more the front to back.
You shoot like this you don't NEED lots of capacity.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Gandog56/dwgroup.jpg)
I don't like glocks either but they always go bang every time thats why I have one.
Amen.
I have to assume then ====> (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Gandog56/dwgroup.jpg)
Was done from a bench/rest.
Quote from: 10mmfan on June 03 2014 06:10:41 PM MDT
I don't like glocks either but they always go bang every time thats why I have one.
In some cases the high impulse rounds and heavy for caliber (220's) might not give a bang at all. At least that is what I have gathered in reading the accounts here.
(http://blog.joehuffman.org/content/binary/Glock1.JPG)
Ive used uw 165 and 180grn pmc armscor and ga arms with no issues
Quote from: Intercooler on June 03 2014 06:42:39 PM MDT
I have to assume then ====> (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Gandog56/dwgroup.jpg)
Was done from a bench/rest.
Standing, pistol on a sandbag
Buds has 10 mm witness match for 575 now. That's way better than I paid for mine.
Glock grips are definitely a stretch for me too, but I think you might like this one
Ahhhh. Let's see the free hand target ;)
Quote from: Intercooler on June 04 2014 09:34:25 AM MDT
Ahhhh. Let's see the free hand target ;)
That would be more like this....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Gandog56/PICT0010.jpg)
Or this....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Gandog56/DSCN1102_zpse06bb88e.jpg)
Not bad at all! What happened with the few on the top one?
Mine with the kimber
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I am thinking of an STI Nitro, or maybe even a Rock Island Armory VZ Tactical II.
I have the RIA 10mm, very nice for the money. What 10mm guns do you already have?
Everyone should have at least one 1911 10mm and a EAA 10mm. IMO
The only 10mm I currently have is the Glock 20 SF.
I am considering a number two for the future.
Quote from: 4949shooter on June 05 2014 07:16:17 PM MDT
The only 10mm I currently have is the Glock 20 SF.
I am considering a number two for the future.
May I suggest a fine Witness pistol? ;D
Quote from: Intercooler on June 04 2014 01:47:39 PM MDT
Not bad at all! What happened with the few on the top one?
Brand new (to me) CZ82. Very first time I ever fired it. Took a little getting used to it. Also was using cheap surplus ammo. If it fires that stuff that well, imagine what I can do with reloads.