I got another e-mail today from Underwood about free shipping on orders > $200. I'm thinking the price increases have slowed things down in their sales department for us quantity buyers. My question is what is your ammo breaking point for 10mm (talking to those who don't handload) for your practice and defense 10mm?
Only speaking for myself, but I am about there. Since Armscor, PPU, etc... haven't been showing up anywhere to sell I scooped up some LAX reloads. I was okay with $20-$25 a box, but it's getting a little crazy lately on stock. The next 6 months will really show what path many of us might have to take.
At this point, 60 cents or less...I am still buying diff. rounds to check out how the gun runs with various loads
Getting there prrtty quick. Ive shot up my "comfort level" of my stashed 9mm that I paid under 20 cents a rd for out the door so im thinking of reloading 9mm as welln
It really does not cost a whole arm and leg to start reloading! 8)
When it's up above .50 per round for target ammo... that's it for me , I'm done.
But since I can't mail order ammo in this crap state of NY, I have to reload...
At least I can keep it down to .10-15 per round with plated heads... makes me like almost living in the past. :)
I see on gunbot.com Armscor available as a bulk buy at .40 a round. Hopefully looseing up on plinking rounds.
If you buy 1000 rounds it's about $22/box shipped.
Quote from: tommac919 on April 23 2014 08:10:32 AM MDT
When it's up above .50 per round for target ammo... that's it for me , I'm done.
But since I can't mail order ammo in this crap state of NY, I have to reload...
At least I can keep it down to .10-15 per round with plated heads... makes me like almost living in the past. :)
You know, all you whiners just make me smile because I reload 'em! ;)
Some people don't have the room or feel like fooling with it. Do you load to the extreme end such as Underwood or Buffalo Bore? Hopefully you never make a mistake and have a KABOOM ;D
Quote from: tommac919 on April 23 2014 08:10:32 AM MDT
When it's up above .50 per round for target ammo... that's it for me , I'm done.
But since I can't mail order ammo in this crap state of NY, I have to reload...
At least I can keep it down to .10-15 per round with plated heads... makes me like almost living in the past. :)
The state police haven't gotten the funding to start the ammo checks yet. Its my understanding that you can buy online until implemented. That said plenty of sellers are refusing to sell online to NY anyways. Gotta love this state...
Relatively comfy in the $.35 - $.45 range for practice ammo. Not as price sensitive for top shelf self defense ammo for obvious reasons.
In times like now when 10mm practice, plinking FMJ /TMJ moves up to the $.50 - $.70 range (comparable to 44mag >:() my interest in practicing with .45 or 9mm goes up.
To pick up and support the original premise...though I remain an enthusiast and supportive of Underwood, Parabellum Research, Georgia Arms, etc. think they are pricing themselves out of market share.
Yeah....I've been buying .45 ACP. I will start to be some .40 short and weak also, because the prices are substantially cheaper.
I just ordered two boxes of Underwood 165's to stay in the game, but I won't be buying a lot of 10mm anymore until the cheap stuff becomes available again.
I haven't looked at ammo prices recently; wow that really sucks for you guys that don't load your own.
I'm still loading my 10mm for 10-12 cents per round; that's less than $6 for a box of 50. That is accounting for the new inflated powder and primer prices of course.
Plated bullets, cast your own? I realize the big savings would be cheaper bullets than a FMJ or TMJ. What are you using?
Quote from: Intercooler on April 25 2014 07:01:05 PM MDT
Some people don't have the room or feel like fooling with it. Do you load to the extreme end such as Underwood or Buffalo Bore? Hopefully you never make a mistake and have a KABOOM ;D
I don't load to their extreme but loads are warm. I am will be working up some new loads as I have scored quite a bit of AA9
Quote from: Intercooler on April 27 2014 07:58:51 AM MDT
Plated bullets, cast your own? I realize the big savings would be cheaper bullets than a FMJ or TMJ. What are you using?
Cast my own. It's almost free, since I recover and re-use my lead, but the 10-12 cents per round includes $1/lb for the lead.
Half of the savings is in re-using the brass.
The reloading cost doesn't change much whether the loads are mild or wild. You sound concerned about reloading hot loads, but a lot of those Underwood loads you like are hotter than most sensible people would handload.
I wouldn't load to those levels myself. I'm happy with any of the weights being right at about 600lb's when you plug them in a calculator.
Yes, I have.
That's why I reload.
I can make Jacketed with new Starline brass at around $17 per 50 rounds.
I can reload that brass at around $8 per 50.
The real benefit is its made to spec. If its a little hot, drop it a couple tenths of a grain. Not hot enough, maybe try a different powder to see if you can tweak the load to deliver that little extra safely.
The challenge is when you have more than one gun shooting the same caliber and keeping max loads from the gun that can handle more out of the gun that shows pressure signs at lower charge weights.
Greg
No question about it; there are NUMEROUS benefits and advantages to loading your own 10mm ammunition. Under the right circumstances and shooting volume, loading your own is hands down the most economical way to go. I would however respectfully point to Grim Reaper's post from a couple years ago concerning the mission statement of this forum:
Quote from: Grim Reaper on June 10 2012 03:24:37 AM MDT
Welcome to 10mm-firearms.com.
I started this site to provide a forum for fans of the 10mm auto cartridge and the firearms chambered for it. There are no forums specifically for the 10mm. Plenty of forums out there have areas set aside for 10mm talk, however they are loaded with people that want to make inappropriate comments or start drama.
It should be our goal to promote the 10mm to gun and ammunition manufacturers, as well as spread the word to other people about this awesome cartridge.
100% advertisement free. No stupid ads cluttering the site. I'm not doing this for money. I will never ask for donations.
Enjoy the site.
Although I'm a newcomer to the 10mm platform, it's a fantastic cartridge and I'd like to see it thrive. Grim Reaper hit on the key and I think he was right back when he set "promoting the 10mm to gun and ammunition manufactures" as the point of the forum.
I don't know. I started reloading about 35 years ago because I just bought a Taurus Model 66 and .357 ammo was just so darned expensive. And then I found out how much cheaper it was to reload .38 special cast DEWC rounds as practice fodder for the .357. Now of course the only ammo I don't reload is the .22 LR.
After months of uniform .60 to .75 per round pricing for plinking ammo by all online retailers, noticed something interesting yesterday...
Georgia Arms posted some new 10mm 180 grain FMJ's at decent .41 to .44 per price point (some of which I purchased by the way). Followed very shortly (literally with hours) by Ammo Supply Warehouse dropping their Armscor 10mm to same price... ::)
No doubts just a random coincidence.
It'll be interesting to see if those two suppliers quickly exhaust inventory and overall price point remains high or if we see other 10mm plinking ammo suppliers slide back too.
I wonder who really makes brass for Armscor?
My wife told me not to buy anything else until we get a house. SO its tough as 10mm isn't cheap, but I mainly use the 10 as my hunting platform but I feel the need to practice and without rds it sucks. Being a college student sucks too but I'm almost done and once I start working more life will get a smidge easier. At this point I buy what I can when I can and shoot 9mm and 5.56 till i get the wife her house .......then the real work begins lol.
Quote from: Gramaton Cleric on May 13 2014 03:06:32 PM MDT
My wife told me not to buy anything else until we get a house...snip..At this point I buy what I can when I can and shoot 9mm and 5.56 till i get the wife her house .
wow, there's a younger person out there that's willing to wait and save for something they want...wow
Quote from: tommac919 on May 13 2014 03:24:15 PM MDT
Quote from: Gramaton Cleric on May 13 2014 03:06:32 PM MDT
My wife told me not to buy anything else until we get a house...snip..At this point I buy what I can when I can and shoot 9mm and 5.56 till i get the wife her house .
wow, there's a younger person out there that's willing to wait and save for something they want...wow
Hat tip to you, G Cleric
Some people don't have the room or feel like fooling with it. Do you load to the extreme end such as Underwood or Buffalo Bore? Hopefully you never make a mistake and have a KABOOM .
I trust my hand loads more than any boutique manufacturers loaded to the max ammo. Even if I didn't reload I wouldn't touch the ultra hot boutique ammo with a ten foot pole. I've seen enough pictures of kaboomed guns that used boutique ammo to know better. I load for accuracy anyway and rarely if ever do I need to load to the brink of destruction.
Your ok with Norma Spec loads or close to it. My choice for the most part. I don't think U/W's 180's or 165's are over the top. if one can get 165's in JHP.
The original Norma ammo was quite hot and was hard on the early 10mm firearms but shouldn't be a problem in the right gun.
Quote from: wadcutter on June 30 2014 01:34:04 PM MDT
The original Norma ammo was quite hot and was hard on the early 10mm firearms but shouldn't be a problem in the right gun.
I might be in disagreement just a little, as some guns were not designed properly for the true power of the 10mm cartridge. Yes NORMA was at the upper end and their quality control was not very tight as loaded. They had some variations in charge weights. ???
Many guns did handle the power of the cartridge very well, others not so much. The main thing was lockup, slide mass/velocity, cartridge chamber support and recoil system.
I try too do my best.......
The only 10mm I buy is Win Silvertips. I've been reloading for over 23 years now. I load to near Norma spec and will continue to do so. Already gone thru the first 1000 10mm I loaded and am working on the second batch. Since I shoot weekly year around theres no way I could buy ammo. Besides all my long range completion rifles are hand loads. I guess each person has to decide which way they want to go.
Happened to notice PBR has chanced their 180gr velocity supreme FMJ prices again. In March of this year they went from $26.40 for 50 rounds up to $30; and now they're asking $28.90 for 50.
I don't mind buying the occasional box of 6.5-284 from HSM, but it has more to do with the cost and availability of the brass.
For the initial 100 rounds through my RIA, the $60 was a bit steep, but since I was able to recover all but 1 case, I will suck it up and reload without really complaining. .
As for space, I have used a fold up work table like this:
(http://www.keter.com/files/Tool_Storage/520x290/17182239_main_2013_520x290.jpg)
With a 2x6 C-Clamped to the top and the press bolted to the 2x6, it was plenty solid, even for forming .357 Herret brass from 30-30, and .222 Rem from .223 brass.
You are only limited by your own creativity when it comes to the space management.
OK, I give. What would the total cost be to get all of the loading equip for 10 (and then 357 sig)? I mean, what I am looking at here in $$'s?
Pat
Only reached the breaking point once. I (for some STUPID reason) tried some copper plated bullets in my .454 Casull. Needless to say the lead blew right out of the copper plating and the plating shreds became pieces of shrapnel flying every which way, including back at my face. Cut me up a bit. Awful glad I was wearing some good quality shooting glasses!. Lesson learned: Don't push copper plated bullets faster than 1500 fps!
Quote from: Buckeye 50 on September 18 2014 04:46:05 PM MDT
OK, I give. What would the total cost be to get all of the loading equip for 10 (and then 357 sig)? I mean, what I am looking at here in $$'s?
Pat
You can load perfectly fine ammo on the low end with Lee gear. I think about the best option is one of Lee's starter kits. A breech lock kit + 10mm 3 die set from factory sales is $135.88 + shipping. A set of 357 Sig dies are another $32.
And RCBS Rockchucker Supreme with Lee Carbide dies from Midsouth is $308.67 + shipping (may be free shipping).
The Lee kit will work fine. I have a friend who has loaded his entire life on a Lee kit. The RCBS press is stronger, the hand prime a little better made and the scale inspires more confidence, though is not more accurate.
I actually have both. There are some things I try from time to time that the RCBS press is nice to have. But I am a tinkerer. For instance, I once swaged some 40 S&W brass down to .401" outside diameter and formed bullets from them. The Lee press would not have been up to that task.
But for basic reloading, the Lee kit is definitely the least expensive, serviceable way to get into reloading. You will make back your investment in the first 500 rounds you load, assuming you have been saving your brass and don't have to buy.
500 rounds PBR @ 28.90/50 = 289.00
Lee Breechlock Kit + 10mm Dies = 135.88
500 Zero 200 FMJ = 66
1 lb Alliant Powder = 20
1000 primers = 35
Total: $265.88
If you have to buy 1000 starline brass, it will be 1000 rounds before you pass break even.
If you want basic, entry level. Get the job done Wilma reloading, all of Lee's equipment is available through http://www.titanreloading.com at very good prices.
I bought the Value Turret Press Kit, and haven't looked back. It has done everything I need with room left over... I bought an extra turret so I have 1 turret dedicated to 10mm, and another turret that I interchange dies with.
To this I have added the Hornady Locking rings. All my dies are set to where they need to be, and locked in with the Hornady rings. For 10mm, I just swap turrets and I am all set to go.
I purchased a Universal Decapping die, and an electronic scale, which ended up being less accurate than the balance beam scale that came with the Lee kit. I have not set up the thru die powder measure yet, as I prefer to hand measure each load.
factory sales is a bit cheaper.
http://www.factorysales.com
Quote from: sqlbullet on September 19 2014 12:51:46 PM MDT
factory sales is a bit cheaper.
http://www.factorysales.com
And deals can be found on ebay, too.