Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Underwood 9x25Dillon Speer 125gr TMJ
Ballistics Information: 9x25 Dillon
Muzzle Velocity: 1700 fps
Muzzle Energy: 802 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line – Brass 10mm headstamp
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5400"/Dia. 0.3555": Speer 125gr TMJ
actual weight 125.4 grains crimp line 0.3540"
C.O.A.L.: 4 @ 1.2725" & 1@ 1.2580"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.4215" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" Length 0.9885"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: IMR800X 11.0 grains
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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Double Tap Speer 90gr Gold Dot HP
Ballistics Information: 9x25 Dillon
Muzzle Velocity: 2100 fps 6"
Muzzle Energy: 881 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Double Tap – Brass 9x25 headstamp
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.4460"/Dia. 0.3555": Speer 90gr Gold Dot HP
HP depth 0.2170" / HP dia 0.1420" (tapered) / Mouth 0.2420"
Actual weight 91.2 - 9.10 grains crimp line 0.3485" (concaved base)
C.O.A.L.: 1.2550"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4215" Crimp Diameter 0.3745" Length 0.9875"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: LongShot 12.2 grains
Tested Velocity: 1940 fps – 1855 fps S&W 1006 5" Bar-Sto Barrel
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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Double Tap Speer 115gr Gold Dot HP
Ballistics Information: 9x25 Dillon
Muzzle Velocity: 1800 fps 6"
Muzzle Energy: 827 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Double Tap – Brass 9x25 headstamp
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5260"/Dia. 0.3555": Speer 115gr Gold Dot HP
HP depth 0.1370" / HP dia 0.1425" (tapered) / Mouth 0.2410"
Actual weight 115.6 grains crimp line 0.3485" (concaved base)
C.O.A.L.: 1.2550"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4215" Crimp Diameter 0.3765" Length 0.9875"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: LongShot 10.6 grains
Tested Velocity: 1575 fps – 1610 fps S&W 1006 5" Bar-Sto Barrel
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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Double Tap Speer 125gr Gold Dot HP
Ballistics Information: 9x25 Dillon
Muzzle Velocity: 1695 fps 6"
Muzzle Energy: 797 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Double Tap – Brass 9x25 headstamp
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5500"/Dia. 0.3555": Speer 125gr Gold Dot HP
HP depth 0.1310" / HP dia 0.1600" (tapered) / Mouth 0.2585"
Actual weight 125.2 grains crimp line 0.3500" (concaved base)
C.O.A.L.: 1.2555"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4215" Crimp Diameter 0.3765" Length 0.9850"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: LongShot 10.0 grains
Tested Velocity: 1525 fps – 1475 fps S&W 1006 5" Bar-Sto Barrel
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The Underwood has been out of stock for a while. I almost bought a conversion barrel for it..
Many people who get into the 9x25 are being left out by commercial loaders, being a handloader, I just looked for something different. When I started into this caliber, it was with my S&W1006 with a Bar-Sto 5" barrel, which I paid too much for and still had to fit it to the gun and have the chamber finish reamed, to make it work correctly. It was a fun project that taught me a few things.
The LWD barrels for the Glocks were drop-in and the chambers were almost as tight as a case gauge. The 3.78" for the G-29 works but velocity falls short but the 6" barrel for the G-20 brings good things to life velocity wise. ;D
The Dillon Dies are expensive (dual carbide sections for 10mm and 9mm) but I found a guy getting out of the game and got a great deal on those dies to get me up and running. I did buy some loaded cartridges (the ones I did the pull-downs from) from Mike McNett when I bought the Bar-Sto barrel and then purchased a few brass from him too. Always looking for a deal on the used 9x25 brass, but the Dillon dies will make take the 10mm brass and shape it properly.
I have developed some good loads with other powders and still testing other newer powders from time to time. I'm wanting to test CFE Pistol, AutoComp and BE-86 to see how it performs. To me it is all about the learning experience! 8)
since for many people the "holy grail" of handgun rounds is the 125gr 357 magnum and given the performance I've seen from it in tests in both the 357 sig HST bullet and gold dot in both 357 sig and 357 magnum, this dillon has got to take that to new heights.
a 1600fps gold dot or hst would be incredible assuming they stay tightly expanded in the .55" range! or the special barnes 125gr 357 sig all copper, the 9x25 dillon has ample case capacity to send that one to the moon as well. such an exciting cartridge, wish I was a handloader. Will have to live vicariously through you!
Yeah....I wish there were more factory offerings for the 9x25. Since I don't handload it doesn't make sense for me right now.
Nice breakdown. Great info and you posted everything I could think of. Keep up the good work.
We aim to please! :D
very nice Shadow. What is great is the fact I am on many other forums and this site is always referenced for its wonderful ammo pull downs ! Great job!
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Underwood **MG 125gr TMJ (supplied by IC 8/2018)
Ballistics Information: 9x25 Dillon
Muzzle Velocity: 1700 fps
Muzzle Energy: 802 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Underwood – Brass 10mm headstamp
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5240"/Dia. 0.3540": Bronze 125gr TMJ
Actual weight 125.0 / 125.2 grains exposed lead base crimp line 0.3535"
C.O.A.L.: 1.2550" – 1.2550"
Primer: Large Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4215" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" Length 0.9885"/0.9880"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Longshot 10.8 / 10.6 grains
** maybe Montana Gold Bullet
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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Underwood 9x25 124gr Hornady XTP (supplied by IC 8/2018)
Ballistics Information: 9x25 Dillon
Muzzle Velocity: 1700 fps
Muzzle Energy: 796 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Underwood – Brass 10mm headstamp
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5755"/Dia. 0.3545": Hornady 124gr XTP
Actual weight 124.2 / 125.2 grains flat base crimp line 0.3545"
C.O.A.L.: 1.2550" – 1.2560"
Primer: Large Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4215" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" Length 0.9865"/0.9880"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: MAJOR PISTOL 14.4 / 14.4 grains *
* SHOOTERS WORLD RELOADING PROPELLANTS MAJOR PISTOL / LOVEX D037-01
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Those are interesting!
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Underwood 9x25 Lehigh 90gr Xtreme Defender (supplied by IC 8/2018)
Ballistics Information: 9x25 Dillon
Muzzle Velocity: 2000 fps
Muzzle Energy: 800 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Underwood – Nickel 10mm headstamp
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5795"/Dia. 0.3540": Lehigh Defense 90gr XD
Actual weight 90.0 grains Soild Copper 0.2150" point to point /0.1100" inside cross/0.3310" length of flute/0.3510" cannelure line 0.1615" from base/0.0570" concave base/crimp line 0.3540"
C.O.A.L.: 1.2510"
Primer: Large Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4220" Crimp Diameter 0.3780" Length 0.9875"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: LongShot 13.6 grains
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QuoteThe Xtreme Defender is based on the popular Xtreme Penetrator product line. The XD ammunition has an optimized nose flute, total weight, and velocity to achieve a penetration depth up to 18 inches* with a permanent wound cavity (PWC) that is just simply enormous; no other expanding hollow point comes close to achieving anywhere near this diameter and volume. Not only is the PWC over 100% larger than any other expanding bullet, expansion is achieved despite being shot through barriers. The solid copper body ensures that wallboard, sheet metal, and automotive glass will have no effect on the Permanent Wound Channel.
*Falling within FBI guidelines
This round offers:
• A permanent wound cavity (PWC)that is 2 times greater than any expanding bullet
• Reduced recoil.
• CNC machined from solid copper to overcome barriers to penetration
• Radial flutes that force the hydraulic energy inward to build pressure
• Minimal surface area to increase the force at the point of contact and sharp cutting edges that defeat barriers
As with all of Underwood Ammo™ rounds, we utilize flash suppressed powder so that your vision will not be compromised if it becomes necessary to use your firearm in low light.
While taking advantage of our state of the art testing equipment, this high performance ammunition is field tested using popular, real firearms that our customers are most likely to own out in the real world with all the elements you would experience. If for some reason Underwood Ammunition fails to meet performance expectations, we stand by our product 100% and will make sure the customer is satisfied with every purchase.
This ammunition is new production, non-corrosive, in boxer primed, reloadable brass cases.
Just waiting for Doubletap to have a sale and I will get what they have for testing :D
Hadn't seen any sales of his 9x25 in quite sometime...
Quote from: Intercooler on September 22 2018 07:19:34 AM MDT
Just waiting for Doubletap to have a sale and I will get what they have for testing :D
There's a sale on midway. Just bought a box of the 124 xtp for 17 plus shipping. Gotta go to the po tomorrow to pick up my barrel!
Shadow, there isn't a way to use a 10mm and 9mm sizer to load while I wait for my dies, is there...
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Quote from: nhyrum on January 01 2019 10:18:36 PM MST
Quote from: Intercooler on September 22 2018 07:19:34 AM MDT
Just waiting for Doubletap to have a sale and I will get what they have for testing :D
There's a sale on midway. Just bought a box of the 124 xtp for 17 plus shipping. Gotta go to the po tomorrow to pick up my barrel!
Shadow, there isn't a way to use a 10mm and 9mm sizer to load while I wait for my dies, is there...
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No. Don't know what dies you have coming for the 9x25's, I use the Dillon dies. But that set only has the sizer die / seater die with reversible flat nose / round nose plug / taper crimp die. If you are using a progressive press you would use the powder through the expander die to condition the neck and flare to accept the bullets. I use the RCBS 9mm neck expander for this step and it has worked well to uniform & maintain proper neck to bullet tension. I work on single stage and hand weigh all powder charges to insure Match Grade consistency.
When you get you dies be sure not to over size the cases, by that I mean don't set the shoulder back too far. When you drop the casing into the chamber you will want the casing head as close flush with the hood of the barrel. Flush is 0.000" and no more than 0.002" below the barrel hood. Having too much headspace can cause the cases to split or crack the neck area.
You could pass-through size the cases as part of the resizing, that would insure that they are ironed out down at the lowest part of the casings. I do my pass-through using the LEE 10mm/40 FCD (factory crimp die) with the guts removed and a (bullet sizing pin) to push the cases up and through the carbide ring. I use this setup to do all 10mm / 40S&W / 357Sig / 9x25 cases.
If you run into issues I'll try to talk you through it! ;D
That makes sense. I'm back in the world of benchrest rifle again. I'll be ordering ch4d dies soon. I've got the Lee powder thru expander on its way. With the ch die set I get a carbide sizer(not sure if it's dual) seating and taper crimp for about 120
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The Dillon 9x25 Dies have dual carbide sections to size and or form the brass casing even without lube. Not sure about the ch4d.
When I started I searched for used set of dies when someone was getting out of loading the 9x25's and good a great deal. Lucky! :D
Yeah...Those dillon dies were painful to purchase for a guy like me that is pretty budget conscious.
I called ch to order, and apparently they're ZERO carbide... That was OK. But I usually order a sizing die, seating die, and crimp die, their sets normally have an expander, but not the crimp. But, alas, they didn't have any crimp dies. So that was one too many strikes, but the set, with a crimp die, was only about 30 bucks cheaper than Dillon. So after that, I called Dillon. Should be getting my set tomorrow, sent the barrel out to van Schneider in Ohio to ream the barrel and fit/time the comp.
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Van did me right with the final reaming of my 9x25 barrel for the 1006.
The reason I like the RCBS 9mm expander (not powder through the expander) over ones like the Lee is the expander plug is longer which tends to make the necks straighter because it protrudes deeper inside the neck section and it is a solid non moving plug unlike the floating Lee expanders...
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Underwood Nosler 124gr JHP (item 212) Provided by Mike D.
Ballistics Information: 9x25 Dillon
Muzzle Velocity: 1700 fps 6"
Muzzle Energy: 795 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Underwood – Brass 10mm headstamp
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5445"/Dia. 0.3545": Nosler 124gr JHP
HP Depth 0.1430" / HP dia tapered 0.850 / mouth 0.1915"
Actual weight 124.0 grains crimp line 0.3500" (flat base)
C.O.A.L.: 1.2480""
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4215" Crimp Diameter 0.3765" Length 0.9885"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: LongShot 11.4 grains (more than previous loads with LongShot 10.7 grains)
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Thanks Shadow!
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Awesome. Thanks!