If it eats anything including dirt please share ;D
Let us know the setup and ammos used. Thanks!
My G20SF OD runs great
VHZ serial prefix
Wolff guide rod with 22lb spring
So far I have shot:
Hornady 155gr XTP
PBR 180gr FMJ
UW 180gr TMJ
UW 180gr XTP
UW 200gr TMJ
That's a Gen 3? No 220gr or 230gr Hardcast?
So far so go no problems
G20SF Gen 3
ISMI captive steel guild rod
ISMI 22lbs recoil spring:
Underwood 180gr tmj
Underwood 200gr tmj
Underwood 180gr GD jhp
Underwood 180 XTP jhp
Double Tap 155gr GD jhp
Buffalo Bore 180gr jhp
Buffalo Bore 155gr tac-xp
Dropped factory guild rod & spring back in for:
PPU 180gr jhp
Ops, forgot one:
ISMI set up;
Ted Nugent/Pierce 180gr Unicor
I've picked up, however not yet tested Double Tap 200gr wfngc (thought about 220gr. cast but noted issues by others with factory barrel).
G20 v3... 500+ rounds all stock, not one problem;
( one mag under DT180gr locked open once with 1 rd left in mag.... mag related, cut follower notch down 1tho to fix )
Silvertip 175gr
DT 180 hp
reloads 180gr from LAX
PMC 180gr
Amer Eagle 180gr
assorted small amount of mix, 135, 155, 200gr
so far my G20C is perfect. It really likes my reloads!!
Its eaten every brand of commercial ammo without an issue.
Love it!
I won't say perfect, because I had lots of problems with aftermarket parts.....BUT
Since putting the Gen4 G20 back to stock configuration, its ate everything I've given to it including...
Underwood 180GD
Underwood 135 Nosler
Underwood 155 XTP
Underwood 150 Nosler
Doubletap 135g
and lots of heavy 135g, 150g, 155g, 165g &180g handloads. I'm talking at least 500 rounds of various ammo with the stock Gen4 spring and stock Glock barrel.
I did just get some Underwood 220g hardcast, and I might run ten or so through it out of some perverse sense of curiosity, but from what I understand that if they do feed, the bullets likely won't stabalize with the Glock barrel, and leading will be the reward.
Put aftermarket springs or my Lonewolf barrel back on and issues come right back. I'm not saying there isn't an aftermarket solution that might not work, but I'll keep it stock.
greg
Mine has run very well since I got it with the stuff I've run through it and still testing with more ammos.
I have posted some of this info in other locations but thought I'd post it here as well.
Well I bought the digital fish scale to attempt to measure the point at which the slide starts to move with the factory spring vs. the Wolff Gun Springs 22lb. Not very accurate but the results did repeat and may have to refine the setup to gain better results...Gun is set so the striker is pre-cocked
Glock 20Sf Factory spring test
It takes 5lb 3oz to start the slide to move from the locked position
Full retraction at 18lb 0oz at lock open
Glock 20SF spring test Wolff Gun Springs 22lb RSA installed
It takes 6lb 4oz to start the slide to move from the locked position
Full retraction at 22lb 9oz at lock open
Slightly over a pound difference 1lb 1oz to start the slide to move from the locked position
Slightly over a 2 pound difference 2lb 9oz at lock open
My 20SF is working well with both spring setups...
Tested the Parabellum Research PBR 165 grain FMJ V-Supreme ammo, 50 rounds...
Wind was stiff and moving clouds made some shots not register on the CHRONY.
Here are the results of the latest range trip, Glock 20 SF.
NO failures of any kind. I did fire 15, 5, 3, 2 from each of two different magazines. I even trying to induce a failure, full mag 15 rounds, 5 rounds, 3 rounds, 2 rounds, two hands, one hand, limp grip, gangsta style. Single Tap, Double Tap and Triple tap shots.
Factory barrel/spring
1290, 1344, 1317, 1340, 1317, 1340, 1280, 1334, 1328, 1191,
1323, 1360, 1380, 1322, 1327, 1324, 1343, 1319, 1331
Factory Barrel Wolff Gun Springs 22lb non captive recoil rod and springs
1295, 1361, 1330, 1335, 1347, 1246, 1342, 1325, 1321, 1333,
1347, 1335, 1328, 1348, 1336, 1333, 1310, 1310
Those were the rounds that registered; I was sort of rushing through this, before anyone else showed up.
Case expansion was 04330"- 0.4340", typical of Glock Factory Barrels. No "Smiles were found using this ammo from the factory barrel.
Pull-Down info of this ammo is shown at this link; http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-10m...from-chucky2)/ (http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-10m...from-chucky2)/)
No problems with this ammo as tested. :D
When I get a chance I'll run some stuff that is known to "Smile" as tested by others and even some I've over loaded a while back searching for extremes with the 200 gr Gold Dots member Rome sent.
I bought a Gen2 when they first came out. The only thing I have done to it was replace the factory barrel with Lone Wolf.
Awesome relaibility.
Thinking a 6" barrel would be cool addition
My Gen 2 Glock 20 runs great
Oh, did I mention.....
It doesn't have a Glock Upper ? :P
(http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h414/denstinettm14/MG20-M4_zps0701498d.jpg)
My Gen 3 works perfectly with the right set up for the ammo.
Low power stuff up to Hornady 175 grain Critical Duty: 17 pound (stock) spring.
Medium Power up to Silvertip and Hornady 180 XTP: 20 pound captured RSA.
Underwood: 22 pound captured RSA.
I don't know how it works yet with the hardcast loads from BB and UW but I will let you know when I try them.
Curious though...as to why you ask.
Quote from: Intercooler on April 12 2014 06:28:15 PM MDT
That's a Gen 3? No 220gr or 230gr Hardcast?
Yes, Gen 3. I haven't had a reason to shoot the heavy stuff.
I'm curious too, was this thread another attempt to point out something wrong with Glocks?
I run heavy springs in mine, the "24lb" (not really 24 lb) captured ISMI springs in my 6.6" long slide and with the stock G20 barrel in my G21 slide. Both function perfectly with everything, from mild 40 S&W to nuclear loads, almost 1,000 ft-lb from the long slide.
I do shoot heavy cast bullets through both, but handloads not Underwood.
Quote from: Yondering on April 14 2014 07:28:52 PM MDT
I'm curious too, was this thread another attempt to point out something wrong with Glocks?
I run heavy springs in mine, the "24lb" (not really 24 lb) captured ISMI springs in my 6.6" long slide and with the stock G20 barrel in my G21 slide. Both function perfectly with everything, from mild 40 S&W to nuclear loads, almost 1,000 ft-lb from the long slide.
I do shoot heavy cast bullets through both, but handloads not Underwood.
I have nearly the exact same set-up you have, Yondering. I also have no issues.
Also, from my experience and from what I have read, the issues with Glocks and 10mm Auto are typically easily remedied.
Usually:
Shooting standard loads is not a problem.
Shooting nuclear loads in a bone-stock Glock will most likely render your brass useless for future use.
If switching over to an aftermarket barrel (for better support to not render brass useless) also switch to a heavier rsa.
Don't limp-wrist......... ;D
Other remedies as well, etc............. but typically the 'problem' is ammo.
Nope. I'm trying to see if a more defined pattern of what is or isn't working.
Quote from: Yondering on April 14 2014 07:28:52 PM MDT
I'm curious too, was this thread another attempt to point out something wrong with Glocks?
I run heavy springs in mine, the "24lb" (not really 24 lb) captured ISMI springs in my 6.6" long slide and with the stock G20 barrel in my G21 slide. Both function perfectly with everything, from mild 40 S&W to nuclear loads, almost 1,000 ft-lb from the long slide.
I do shoot heavy cast bullets through both, but handloads not Underwood.
You left out what Gen. Thanks!
Hey 10mm Fans,
I have a Gen 2 Glock 20 that I got in a trade back in November 2013, it has BKU Serial# that dates as a June 1995 pistol. I have just now had the time and weather to start playing with it. I have 260 rounds down range and have had good luck with everything but Underwood 180 TMJ's. The Gen 2 has digested 100 rounds of Federal American Eagle 180 Grain FMJ, 50 CCI Blazer 200 Grain TMJ, and 20 rounds each of Corbon 165 Grain JHP Buffalo Bore 155 Grain Tac-x, with no failures of any kind.
But out of 70 rounds of Underwood 180 TMJ, I had 47 FTF's. The brass ejection was also sporadic as to direction and distance, but none were Smiled. I have run the stock RSA ( 2 different Factory New RSA's) and an uncaptured 22 lb Wolff Spring on a
Zev-Tek Stainless Steel Guide Rod. It made no practical difference in the failure rate. The Underwood and Buffalo Bore also shot about 3" left of POA, while everything else shot to POA at 15 yards. The Buffalo Bore 155 Tac-x, while functioning perfectly did Smile 17 of the 20 cases pretty badly. I ran 10 rounds in each RSA configuration.
I actually think that I have some out of spec Underwood ammo. Overall I'm quite happy with Gen 2 and think it will replace my S&W 28-2 4" as my back country Roscoe.
I have been carrying it in a home built Kydex holster using a Chesty Puller Harness from Simply Rugged (I use the same harness with a Sourdough Pancake for the 28-2). The Chesty Puller rig works well when riding ATV's or driving buggies or Jeeps. I live in a cabin in the Sequoia National Forest and venture out into the back country a few times a week.
I have returned to the stock RSA and feel it will work as long as I stay moderate with my reloads and only run a few Nuclear rounds, it also makes re-assmebly much easier. I plan on shooting the remaining 80 Underwood 180 TMJ's to salvage the brass. I'm also thinking about breaking down the remaining 40 Buffalo Bore 155's and loading back a milder charge of 2400 or AA#9, to save the brass from smiling. I think they will function well at 1250-1300 fps.
FWIW, I'm 60 years old and have bad hands from an LEO career and I don't seem to enjoy the flash and boom quite as much as I used to .... :o
QuoteMtnfolk75 writes But out of 70 rounds of Underwood 180 TMJ, I had 47 FTF's.
Can you please explain the FTF's? ???
Were the cartridges left in the magazine? Not picked up by the returning slide?
Did the round not fully chamber? Slide didn't return to full battery?
Did the round jam on the feed ramp or jam to the left of the feed ramp?
Were there any casings or ejection rims damaged? You mentioned no smiles...what about bent? gouged? bulged?
Looking at each of these types of failures could help determine cause. :-\
Shadow,
A little over half were 1/2 chambers jamming on the top of the chamber, by pulling the slide back about 1/2" then riding it forward they would chamber. The rest were slightly out of battery, requiring a thumb push from the back to chamber completely. Some of the brass does have small dents about mid case, they did bulge a little more than the AE & Corbon, I didn't save the Blazer to check. I also noticed that some of the rounds had more felt recoil & a few actually hurt my palm. I am considering doing a grip reduction and stipple that will fit my hand better. I have had 2 surgeries on my hand and have some scar tissue in my palm. I had a Gen 3 Glock 22 reduced and stippled and it was a joy to shoot, unfortunately my cousin talked me out of it during a moment of weakness ...... ;)
Do you think I should just break them down & reload with my know powders like I am considering with the BB ?
Dusty
Dusty, you could pull them, but if you do, document the powder charges you find. This is what I do in the pull down sections on this forum. I take notes, measurements and pictures as a study of what is inside and out.
Here is a sample of what I document;
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Winchester Black Talon 200gr STX
Ballistics Information: 10mm Auto
Muzzle Velocity: 980 fps 1000fps
Muzzle Energy: 426 ft. lbs 444 ft. lbs.
Brass Make/Headstamp: Winchester - Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6775"/Dia. 0.4000":BlackTalon 200gr STX
HP depth 0.2500" / Inside Dia. 0.1700" tapered / mouth Dia. 0.2800"
Actual weight 200.2 grains Crimp squeezed bullet to 0.3995"
C.O.A.L.: 1.2510" / 1.2545"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4220" Crimp Diameter 0.4215" (Tight) Length 0.9890"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge weight ? ?
If you do decide to pull your rounds, I would suggest, that you resize the brass without depriming, re-expand the case necks, the place the powder charge of your choice back inside and seat the bullets to the proper depth, then crimp in separate step to finish.
If you need any help be sure to ask, I'll do what I can to help out... ;D
Thanks for the offer Shadow, it will probably be later in the week. I will be away from the cabin from monday a.m. until late wednesday.
Dusty
Gen 3, Wolff 22lb spring and steel guide rod. Underwoods to mid range. All good to go.
Shot some Buffalo Bore 180 grain yesterday. Make no mistake, this stuff is HOT.
The cases were only slightly bulged down by the case head. No smiles, and no pressure signs to mention. As I have stated before, I am fortunate that my Gen 3 Glock barrel is well supported, or..... perhaps all Glocks are coming out this way in the current climate. :-\
Quote from: Intercooler on April 12 2014 05:29:37 PM MDT
If it eats anything including dirt please share ;D
Let us know the setup and ammos used. Thanks!
IMHO, perfect function and eating anything are two different things. My Kimber Eclipse Custom II, in either the stock configuration or after modification with heavier springs and flat-bottom FPS has never had any issue except with one particular brand of bullet I reloaded which has an unusually wide hollow point; far wider nose than any other .40cal bullet I have seen. Once I realized the bullets were so odd that I could not eject a loaded round, loaded within standard spec length, without the nose getting caught up on the ejection port, I realized it was the bullets not the gun.
So I say it works perfectly, I'm not going to hold that against the gun, I just save the few I have left (don't know the brand, had them forever) for my 40SW.
Out of the 54 rounds shot I had no failures of any sort, out of a G20 Gen 4
No failures with doubletap 200gr wfngc ever in either of our glock 20's and gen 3 sf and a gen 4.
The underwood 180 ran perfect in both last time out and the 200gr xtp ran in both. Two boxes of critical duty went bang as well.
Factory setups on both.
Switching to the 20 or 22lb wolf spring (not sure what weight) and the lonewolf barrel (tight chamber from before 2011 or so) I was getting hangups on the 200gr xtp. It would get jammed halfway in the chamber and sometimes a tap on the back would seat it but usually had to eject mag and try again. I polished the feedramp, chamber, and the part of the chamber that meets the feedramp and got no hangups hand cycling but will see next time out. At this point I dont see why I would carry anthing besides the 100% stock setups. Ill save the fancy barrels and recoil springs for the range to preserve brass for reloading.
Both my G20sf gen 3 with 2 different LW barrel a 2port and a 6.6" threaded barrel 20lb spring and G29 gen3 with a 2port LW barrel and stock spring have performed flawlessly except when I reloaded some PMC brass with 200HC - fp heads - they would not fit the case checker or my LW barrels - worked a whole evening with that brass and loaded up the same brass with 180jacketed fp's and well guess what - they fit now - tore them back down and found out when I miked the PMC brass walls they where thicker than my S-L brass, other than that, since I've converted almost totally to Powder Coated cast heads - the PMC brass is in the junk barrel, Both my Glocks eat every thing even my Hot loads, no smiles and slightly flattened primers. I'm happy happy with my Tupperware.
Doug
PS I will say one thing though - I will not touch a Gen 4 - till they get the bugs out it.
OK, So I got 20 of the BB 155 Tac-x's and 5 of the Underwood 180 TMJ's pulled down this afternoon. I'm a little under the weather today and Snow is forecast for tomorrow and Saturday, so I will finish the pulldowns later. Anyway, here is what I got using an RCBS Kinetic Bollet Puller and an Ohaus 505 Balance Beam Scale.
The Buffalo Bore 155 Tac-x:
Brass Case: Head Stamp - A USA 10mm Auto ( Appears New )
Primer: Silver Large Pistol
Bullet: Barnes 155 Tac-x ( Copper/ Lead Free HP )
Muzzle Velocity from BB Web Site - 1425 FPS from stock G20
Powder Charge: I weighed 5 random during the pulldown, finding charges of 11.3, 11.2, 11.2, 11.2 & 11.2 grains of an unknown powder that was so compressed it looked like a pellet.
The Underwood 180 TMJ:
Brass Case: Head Stamp - Underwood 10mm ( Appears New )
Primer- Silver Large Pistol
Bullet - 180 Grain Truncated Cone with a dished base ( Appears similar to the Xtreme HPCB )
Muzzle Velocity from Underwood Web Site - 1300 FPS
Powder Charge: All 5 weighed 14.4 Grains, Unknown Powder ( Fine Texture & didn't appear
to have been Compressed )
I tried attaching a picture and found the file was too large ..... :-[
Hi-- my first day of 73 rounds was perfect. 50 Mild loads .. 20 very warm loads. And 3 hot loads.
Glock 20 gen3 SF. I know this is not a lot.. But batting 100% on day 1 is a good feeling.
See my post on the range report for a few more details.
Have a good one.
David
Quote from: Mtnfolk75 on April 24 2014 07:15:40 PM MDT
OK, So I got 20 of the BB 155 Tac-x's and 5 of the Underwood 180 TMJ's pulled down this afternoon. I'm a little under the weather today and Snow is forecast for tomorrow and Saturday, so I will finish the pulldowns later. Anyway, here is what I got using an RCBS Kinetic Bullet Puller and an Ohaus 505 Balance Beam Scale.
The Buffalo Bore 155 Tac-x:
Brass Case: Head Stamp - A USA 10mm Auto ( Appears New )
Primer: Silver Large Pistol
Bullet: Barnes 155 Tac-x ( Copper/ Lead Free HP )
Muzzle Velocity from BB Web Site - 1425 FPS from stock G20
Powder Charge: I weighed 5 random during the pulldown, finding charges of 11.3, 11.2, 11.2, 11.2 & 11.2 grains of an unknown powder that was so compressed it looked like a pellet.
The Underwood 180 TMJ:
Brass Case: Head Stamp - Underwood 10mm ( Appears New )
Primer- Silver Large Pistol
Bullet - 180 Grain Truncated Cone with a dished base ( Appears similar to the Xtreme HPCB )
Muzzle Velocity from Underwood Web Site - 1300 FPS
Powder Charge: All 5 weighed 14.4 Grains, Unknown Powder ( Fine Texture & didn't appear
to have been Compressed )
I tried attaching a picture and found the file was too large ..... :-[
Both of my Glock 10mm's function extremely well.
Gen3 G20, wolf 3.5# connector, 22-4lb (I can't remember which, sorry!) brass stacker return spring, extended slide stop/release lever, night sights, but everything else is stock. Bought this August 2013. This eats everything. I typically feed it Armscor when I can get it, or Underwood when they have it in stock. I've used PBR, PPU in a pinch, and the Federal red box once. Every once in a blue moon I have a FTFeed, but almost always that has been a function of ammo seating improperly. I have put over 3000 rounds through this since last August.
Gen4 G29, stock except pearce grips and triji HDs. Bought this March 2014. I've probably only put 3-400 rounds through this, so in my opinion the jury is still out. It has only had Underwood 180/165, Armscor, and PBR 165 FMJ. Hasn't had any issues yet.
From what I gather on this topic, I am extremely lucky here?
Quote from: Grulks on May 06 2014 09:35:52 AM MDT
From what I gather on this topic, I am extremely lucky here?
No, I don't think so. Your results are just about what most of the others commenting on their G20 Gen3's had to report.
And don't forget, there are many shooters out there who shoot Glocks as well as other makes who don't report anything because there is nothing to report (no issues to speak of).
So after another 195 rounds down range, I think my Gen 2 runs 100% with the exception of Underwood 180 TMJ's. They still have FTF & RTB issues. Based on my experience and what I am hearing from others, I really think I have an out of spec lot of the 180 TMJ.
I feel comfortable in the reliability of my Gen 2 & it has become my primary back country companion.
I have a 20sf and a 29 both bone stock other than a shock buff on the 20, I have never had an ftf or fte on either one that I can recall, I have a lone wolf 9x25 dillon barrel for the 20 I would estimate my round count on the 20 at 1800-2000 with 200-300 of that 9x25, it has eaten everything from .40 powered factory ammo to full house reloads without fail, the 29 round count is around 300-400 most of them 1150-1250 fps 180 grn jhp reloads, and a box or two of them being Remington umc 180 grn factory loads.
So today, I shot the last 50 of the Underwood 180 TMJ's. NO FTF or RTB issues, although on one magazine it did lock back with 1 left in the mag, ran the mag again & NO issues ..... :-\
The last box must have been from a different Lot, I haven't checked all the boxes for Lot # yet.
I also ran 25 more of the 10mm American Eagle 180's and 6 Winchester 180 Grain SXT, of the 40 Short & Weak variety. Had NO issues, it is good to know that they will run in an emergency ..... ;D I'm at the 531 rounds down range mark, & I'm a Happy Camper. Will try and start reloading over the next month.
Glock 20 Gen 4 (Stock with extended slide release)
342 rounds total
289 Underwood 165 TMJ
35 Underwood 180 TMJ
13 Underwood 150 JHP
4 Underwood 135 JHP
1 PBR 200 XTP
Slide locks back with 1 round left in the mag over 95% of the time with 15 round, 10 round (with factory spring and Wolff 10%), and 15 blocked to 10 round mags all with 10mm3 followers.
Glockmeister 22lb Gen 4 RSA on the way and I ordered a 10mm2 follower as well.
Looking forward to another range report.
Gen 3 fullsize. Stock with light/med loads. Heavy stuff 22lb Wolff spring and steel guide. No issues.
I have a g3 g20 slide milled by atei on a g4 g21 frame. 6" kkm barrel,new g4 mags with #3 followers, and a tlr1. First time out I had a 22lb ismi spring in it and an extended slide release. Tons of different malfunctions. Slide locking back with rounds left in the mag, ftfs, etc-this is with hot ammo mind you. The slide was running way too fast-it turns out the ismi spring was way under stated lb strength.
Enter Wolff guide rod, 24lb spring, and +10% mag springs. Tossed the extended mag release. Second time out the gun functioned MUCH better, but it didn't like a few loads including hot PBr 165fmj, hornady 180gr xtps, and some 180 plated reloads of mine. I attributed some malfunctions to the slide out running the mag springs still and some to the oal of the cartridges being a bit long to the barrels liking.
Enter wolff 22lb spring and doubling up magazine springs. Gun ran 100% through 250 rds of HOT reloads in 155,165,180, and 200gr varieties. All of the aforementioned factory ammo worked as well. The slide would lock back with 1 round left in the double springed mags as the tension was enough for the follower to hit the slide stop even with 1 rd left. Not a big deal IMO. Next time out I will be seeing whether or not the extended slide release will work for me now
Mine runs flawlessly.
G20SF (Gen3)
stock OR 22lb Wolff RSA
Burris Fastfire 3 w/ Springer Precision mount
Ghost Edge 3.5lb trigger connector
Wolff competition spring pack
stock barrel (for now)
Runs everything from 800fps 200gr handlloads up through full power 1215+ fps Accurate #9 hunting handloads. Not a single problem.
G29 100% stock, 100% perfect :)
In stock form my gen3 G20 has never had a malfunction of any kind.
I've shot:
Winchester 175gr Silvertips
Buffalo Bore 180gr Gold Dots
CCI Blazer 200gr TMJ
Ultramax Remanufactured 180gr FMJ
PMC Bronze 200gr FMJ
Federal American Eagle 180gr FMJ
The only hiccup It has ever had was with a new Lone Wolf .40 conversion barrel. I bought 2 boxes of Winchester Ranger 180gr FMJ reduced lead ammo and was getting 1 or 2 failures to fully chamber in every magazine. Since then I've used Winchester white box bonded 180gr JHP and PPU 180gr FMJ and it has run flawlessly ever since.
I've had 3 G20s and a couple of G29. Currently have 1 G20 3rd gen and 1 G29 gen 4. Never had an issue running them. My gen 3 G20 has about 2k plus rounds thru it. Kkm barrel, phantom adj trigger, dpm system, polished internals. Underwood, DT, Silver tips, hot loaded home brew recipes. Same results with the G29 with same upgrades.
My Gen 3 G20 has been flawless with everything I've put through it except for one of my reloads (which was overpressure anyway). I've even got a couple thousand rounds of Winchester White Box 165gr .40S&W through it with a KKM conversion barrel. That is even coupled with a 24lb ISMI recoil spring on a Lone Wolf guide rod.
Most all my reloads were 9.8gr Longshot (or less) in new Starline brass with CCI no. 300 LPPs.
I have both a Gen4 20 w/700 rounds and a Gen4 29 w/600 rounds. Both run a mix of ammo no prob. So far.
Gen 4 glock 20 full fde has run flawless with all ammo I've been able to buy locally. I have not shot buffalo bore out of it yet.
I hate G locks. The only way they could make an S&W M&P better is if they offered it in 10mm. I have just never liked them. Back in the 80s when they were first coming out I thought I want one until I seen and shot one did not like it and still don't. There is just 2 other guns I consider ulgyer than a G lock and they would be a High Point and the Remington R51. Sorry guys just couldn't resist. Guess that is why there is some many different gun designs. If I made anyone mad about slamming their G locks I'm sure this forum has a butt hurt form. :P
I have two 10mm Glocks now and they are both solid performers, albeit with 22 / 24 pound recoil spring assemblies.
The Glock is a durable platform. For those who master the trigger and grip it is a fine fighting weapon.
Shoot what you like. Carry what suits you best.
Quote from: 4949shooter on January 01 2015 07:54:51 AM MST
I have two 10mm Glocks now and they are both solid performers, albeit with 22 / 24 pound recoil spring assemblies.
The Glock is a durable platform. For those who master the trigger and grip it is a fine fighting weapon.
Shoot what you like. Carry what suits you best.
Do you notice any difference between the 22 and 24 lb spring? (with same ammo of course)
I will say I didn't buy a Glock for looks :o, but rather a cheaper replacement for CCW, that is easily replaced if lost or stolen or god forbid, held after an incident, reliable, accurate, simplistic, parts for easy to maintenance. Having extra conversion barrels adds to trigger time as an avenue for the use of other cartridges from a very versatile platform.
Having several that have been very reliable takes the place of many other older makes in the collection that have served me well. While they don't get carry time they still take trips to the range! ;D
Quote from: Flankenstein on January 01 2015 03:34:33 PM MST
Quote from: 4949shooter on January 01 2015 07:54:51 AM MST
I have two 10mm Glocks now and they are both solid performers, albeit with 22 / 24 pound recoil spring assemblies.
The Glock is a durable platform. For those who master the trigger and grip it is a fine fighting weapon.
Shoot what you like. Carry what suits you best.
Do you notice any difference between the 22 and 24 lb spring? (with same ammo of course)
No....I really didn't. You can notice the difference when racking the slide by hand, but while shooting the difference is negligible.
My Glock 20 has been flawless so far. Running it stock. It's only had a few hundred down the pipe. 1, 50 round box of the weak AE ball. 1 50 round box of the even weaker privi 180 HP. 1 50 round box of Armscor 180 ball. The rest have been my handloads consisting of 165 and 180 gr plated bullets over 231, and a bunch of 155 and 180 gr XTPs over bluedot.
Have 29 GEN four. Shot 100 rounds of reloads 9.1 longshot. Zero issues.
Oh yeah, completely stock.
G29 flawless and perfect with the Lone Wolf .40, .357 and extended 10mm length conversions.
Best value out there
Awesome shooter.
I've had a Gen3 G20sf for about 3 years now. Probably about 4000+ rounds thru it.
Mods:
KKM barrel after the first 300 rounds
TFO sights
Grip (backstrap reduction)
Frame stippled
Tungsten guide rod with 22# spring
Fulcrum trigger kit - just installed in the last month. Awesome upgrade.
I have a Gen 3 20sf completely stock with over 1k rounds through it.... Only had FTE issues with some "Surplus Arms and Ammo" branded ammunition. Love this gun. I also have two Gen 3 29sf... Not as much fun but getting used to them. No issues with either of them.
I use a G20 Glock with the DPM Triple spring system with the Silver outer spring, and I use Underwood ammo with this spring set up;
With the silver spring I can go between:
Underwood 165 Grain FMJ
underwood 180 Grain FMJ
Underwood 200 Grain FMJ
Underwood 220 Lead Cast rounds
with the Yellow Spring outer I use the:
115 Extreme Defender
140 Grain Defender
Both from Underwood.
I use a Chronograph to record the FPS of the shots I make, and in ALL of the Underwood rounds, it EXCEEDS all FPS claims from Underwood by at least 30 FPS (most are around 50 to 60 FPS Greater than advertised).
I have shot over 1000 rounds over 18 months, and only during the first two months did I have any FTF issues, or until I got the right outer springs figured out on the DPM system. Over the past year not ONE SINGLE FTF happened, and I group (on double tap) 2 to 3 inch groups on 25 to 30 yard target ranges. I absolutely love my G20, better than any gun I have ever owned. And thanks to Underwood, I can claim that I hit 1705 FPS (802 ME) on there 135 Grain XTP hollow-point on AVERAGE!!!
Take that .357 - 125 grain owners,,,, Eat Poo and LIVE!!!
New Glock 40, perfect with every thing. PPU 18o JHP barely ejects but they all have made it out of the gun so far. Lister.
Lister, Congrats and welcome to the forum! 8)
Best regards and enjoy the site! :D
Glock 20 GEN3-
Totally stock it runs everything 100% from FBI loads to Underwood 180 & 200 grain, but bulges 20% of Underwood ammo. Also 100% with .40 & KKM conversion barrel.
With KKM 10mm barrel and 20# Wolf recoil spring & non captured steel guiderod it's 100% with everything including Hornady #8 book max loads but Underwood fails to feed 20% of the time and severely flattens primers and blows a few :o. I have never heard of this.
Underwood is the only boutique heave ammo I've used, so BB and others may do the same thing with this combination.
I need to get a chronograph to see what the book max loads velocity looks like.
Have had a Gen 3 G20 for a few months now. Have put maybe a 1000 rounds through it of various types. Running a Lone Wolf barrel and steel guide rod + lighter trigger connector bar. Have run Underwood, Buffalo bore, hot hand loads, and a bunch of bulk PPU. 0 failures of any kind.
At range today with my new G40 Gen4. 100 rds pmc fmj, 50 rds winchester 175 g jhp. I had no issues. My dad limp wristed his 1st shot, only 1 time. He is 80+.
Very consistent. Good grouping. Shot about 3 inches left at 30 yards. Will adjust next trip. Did not have proper tools to adjust today.
Overall very happy with it.
I've got a few rounds through my Glock 40 now and I can say it's been very reliable. I've only shot my handloads through it, no factory loads but it has functioned perfectly with everything from light target loads to some fairly stout book loads.
I also have no complaints about the accuracy of the factory barrel.
This is my first 50 yard group off sand bags trying to dial in the FF3.
(http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/fltbed/IMG_0663_zpsob9rkfnr.jpg)
Jeff
Model 20 SF stock has run everything from 105 grain DRT to 220 grain WFN cast not one FTF with stock gun.
Now with my LW Long slide atop I had some issues with the first 100 rounds since then it is rare that ever have any issues now.
Factory ammo runs flawless both setups.
My glock 29sf gen 3 is perfect.
Completely stock
I run my carry ammo:
180gr Speer gdhp 9.2gr pp coal 1.250" and
my practice ammo 180 gr berry fmjfn plated 8.8- 9.0gr pp coal 1.250"
And my plinker range ammo same with 8 to 8.7 gr pp
Others have shot it and fte due to limp writing has surfaced. Never with me.
SHADOW corrected the COAL (was 12.50 but fixed to 1.250")
My G20 eats everything
Mine works. Can't complain.
My 20 and 29 run like a top.
Gen 3 with a steel guide rod,22lb spring. Run thru a timed course. All by Wolff. U/W's 180 XTP. Thank You.
I have 3 of them.
G29
G20
G20 long slide
I haven't found anything that Malfunction's in any of them.
Gen 4 G20 + G29, fully stock.
No issues... weaker stuff or Underwood, it all runs.
I have 2 that have yet to give me one problem!
My G20 and my G40.
I have 4 Glocks currently, 20 SF Gen 3, 29 Gen 2, 21 SF Gen 3 and a 19 Gen 3. They are all boringly reliable.
G40 and G29. No problems so far
2 gen 3 G20SF's and a gen 3 G29SF that eats everything from factory loads to my reloads with out so much as a hiccup.
Gen 3 20, mild to wild, no issues. Factory spring to Wolff 22lb.
Gen 4 20, needed to change the factory spring to a low force Wolff due to weak ammo.
now runs flawlessly.
G40 completely stock with exception to the Deltapoint Pro. So far I have put about 250 rounds of 180 gr S&B or Amrican Eagle with no issues at all.
Glock 36, at least a couple thousand rounds since 2011.... All stock except for the addition of Trijicon HD night sights.
That little pistol has never missed a beat, not even once.
My G40, it has missed a beat once since I've had it... It was a limp wrist failure though, and it happened with the stock barrel.
The 50 or so rounds I've fired with the new 7" KKM have all fed, fired, and ejected fine.... When racking the slide to load a round, I can hear and feel that the KKM barrel is a little "hitchy"... But so far, it hasn't failed to function at all.
The KKM is a tighter in all aspects of lockup compared to the stock barrel.
New guy here with a new G40. My first Glock and first 10mm. Only about 20 rounds now but it is perfect so far.
Starline brass is in the mail but I got some Fed AE 180 FMJ to get the feel and loaded up some Power Pistol/XTP loads using a buddy's unneeded once fired brass. I was a little surprised at the muzzle rise with the "lite" AE ammo and a little apprehensive about the hotter handloads, but the 155gr XTPs felt extremely mild. ;D I'll have to Chrony those next time, but by the data they should be about 700fpe. Brass showed no trauma, although the CCI-300 standard primers did "muffin top" a bit.
50ft groups were about 1-1/2" average (1-1/4" best) with the Fed and irons.
2 co-workers have G20 Gen4s and I believe they have been flawless as well. I was torn between G20 and G40 but on the day I went lookin', a G40 was the only Glock 10mm in the store. No complaints so far.
Gen 3 Glock 29SF shoots everything I feed it. Thousands of rounds since
Bought a lone wolf extended 4" barrel for it and it has failures to feed issues however.
Another newb here. I've only had my Gen4 20 for about nine months. So far all I've put through it is: Armscor 180
S&B 180
Sig Elite 180
Doubletap 200 WFNGC
Underwood 200 XTP
The only changes I've made are LWD 5.2" threaded barrel and a "-" connector.
ZERO problems.
I have 3 of them. Technically one isn't a factory Glock but still it runs perfectly.
G20LS
G20
G29
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
Looking through this thread I don't know that I have ever commented.
I have a Glock 20 Gen 3 SF and a Glock 29 pre-rail. I don't recall ever having either of them stop except when the magazine was empty.
I have a Gen4 with 1000 rounds through her. I have done two major customizations to it - 1. Install Trijicon HD XR front sight. 2. Install Trijicon HD rear sight. I know, I know, I really turned it into a race gun! I prefer everything to be stock on a Glock. No issues with several boxes of Underwood and Buffalo Barnes. Bunch of Freedom Munitions "cheap" stuff for a few matches. Some Hornady. I have been holding off on the heavy 200gr + flat nose fmj or hardcast stuff, and the xtreme penetrator type rounds, hoping to get better input from others. So far, it seems like A) No one on earth has actually shot anything living (such as a hog/deer/polar bear/chipmunk) with the xtreme penetrators, despite the following and B)I'm still not sure if Underwood or DT is the way to go on the heavy flat nose types.
Bought a G40 MOS to replace the G20. Mounted a Burris FF, what a hoot, only 100 rounds of practice ammo with good results. Joe L, thank you for your posts and videos. Now to do the same to my P-01 or 75B SA. Oh, this Glock and all my Gen 3 and 4' always run strong, just can't get a correct grip. That's why I now have 3 - CZs, 1-C-100 and 3 - Tanfoglios
I have 3. Glock 29 and 20 SF and a new Glock Model 40. They just run and shoot great. I have shot 135's to 200 grain from multiple sources and rolled my own. My close buddy shoots a Glock 20 gen4. We have had zero problems with anything. We powdercoat cast bullets and run many others. We have shot lots of stuff. From small things to deer and elk. These guns are a hoot.
"God bless and good shooting"
Erik Dyal
Gen 3 Glock 20SF
Deus Ex Machina trigger kit, stock otherwise.
No problems so far of any kind shooting the following:
Armscor 180gr FMJ
American Eagle 180gr FMJ
Federal 180gr Hydrashock JHP
I've got some Underwood sampling's on the way with lighter and heavier projectiles. I'll update.
G20SF
Runs all my handloads with stock and LW ported bbl. Zev trigger group.
G40 10mm
Stock barrel
Stock recoil spring
Suarez face shooter trigger np3 coated
Over travel and trigger stop trigger assembly
Zero malfunctions in 400 rounds so far. 180xtps to 200gr cast loaded full tits.
Ok, I'll chime in..
G20-SF; Have a KKM 4.6" SS barrel for cast and plated. Works beautifully..
Have an ISMI 22 lb spring but rarely use it.
Vast majority of shooting and posts done is with the bone stock gun.
Ammo.. Too many to list.. Never a malfunction.
My G20 and G40 run problem free with at least 12 different brand/bullet weights ive tried.
my G20 works great with the stock barrel and with a drop in .357 sig.
my G40 works great.
both are failure free.
Gen 2 G20. Other than 5 boxes of PMC that I bought in 1991 it has always shot my reloads or (rarely) factory reloads. No problems after the early learning curve involving micrometer vs Mk1 eyeball regarding COAL lol.
About 10yrs ago I put in a 22# wolff spring and steel guide rod when I started working up some hot loads (in new brass). Also added tritium sights.
A few years ago put a ghost connector.
Otherwise stock. Many thousands of jacketed and plated and, rarely, lead. No problems.