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10mm Ammuntion => Factory 10mm Ammo pull-downs => Topic started by: The_Shadow on April 07 2014 06:35:40 PM MDT

Title: Norma 165 grain JHP (Bullet 170Gr) Pull-Down
Post by: The_Shadow on April 07 2014 06:35:40 PM MDT
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Norma 165 grain JHP **(turned out to be 170Gr Bullet)
Ballistics Information: 10mm Auto
Muzzle Velocity: 1400 fps
Muzzle Energy: 717 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Norma – Brass (weight 77.8 gr.)
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6300"/Dia. 0.4000": 170gr Norma JHP
Actual weigh 170.2 grains  (concaved base) Crimp Diameter 0.3995"
HP depth  HP 0.1600" / HP dia. 0.1750" (tapered) / mouth 0.2725"
C.O.A.L.: 1.2525"
Primer: Nickel color (NP)
Case: Diameter 0.4235" Crimp Diameter 0.4220" (medium) Length 0.9870"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? NORMA R-123 ?  10.4 grains  **(The other 170 had 12.8 grains)
http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-10mm-ammo-pull-downs/norma-170-grain-jhp-(original)-pull-down/ (http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-10mm-ammo-pull-downs/norma-170-grain-jhp-(original)-pull-down/)  That would explain the difference in the test velocity seen by IC.
Intercooler's Tested Velocity:
EAA Limited Pro 4.75" 1309, 1308, 1293. Average = 1303.33 FPS/ 622 LBS
EAA Hunter 6" 1372, 1342, 1303. Average = 1339 FPS/ 657 LBS
(short rod shaped, some golden and some darker, some rod are perforated hole in the middle)
(Vihtavuori Powders exhibit many of these characteristics)

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(https://s20.postimg.cc/3w067cp3h/IMG_0279_zpsc093de6c.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/pv6kukdnh/IMG_0280_zps9115b4e2.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/kwj2g1hkd/IMG_0281_zpsd0384879.jpg)
Title: Re: Norma 165 grain JHP (Bullet 170Gr) Pull-Down
Post by: Intercooler on April 07 2014 06:45:33 PM MDT
  That explains a bunch of stuff. Wonder why they labeled the boxes with all the wrong stuff?  :o
Title: Re: Norma 165 grain JHP (Bullet 170Gr) Pull-Down
Post by: Intercooler on April 07 2014 06:51:24 PM MDT
Is this a different powder for the 165's? I got a higher velocity with the less powder 165gr  :o
Title: Re: Norma 165 grain JHP (Bullet 170Gr) Pull-Down
Post by: The_Shadow on April 07 2014 06:54:45 PM MDT
That's a mystery to me  :-\ and most people don't pull rounds down or shoot over a chrony much less recover the bullets, so they wouldn't know the difference one way or the other.

There was a slight difference in bullet measurements, but the weight was 170.2 grains... ::)
Title: Re: Norma 165 grain JHP (Bullet 170Gr) Pull-Down
Post by: Intercooler on April 07 2014 07:02:35 PM MDT
I have noticed with the Norma rounds they are very up and down for some reason.
Title: Re: Norma 165 grain JHP (Bullet 170Gr) Pull-Down
Post by: The_Shadow on April 07 2014 07:04:40 PM MDT
I'd bet that this powder didn't meter very well thus the wild fluctuations in powder charges and velocities... ???