Still 14+1, but weights in at 27oz empty. We'll see. It's also been hard to find detailed pics on this particular model with the square slide and forward serrations. I'll resolve that as well, but in the meantime, I'll attach some images I found. Anyone have/had one of these? I hope there's no cracking issues since I want this to be my toss around 10mm. If you've been looking for one of these, with this slide, ya better be very clear with the dealer or get an actual photo first.
Uh, never mind on the attachments. I forgot about the restrictions on here.
Here ya go. Posted pics on the Tanfo forum.
http://tanfoglioforum.com/index.php?topic=139.new#new (http://tanfoglioforum.com/index.php?topic=139.new#new)
What is it you want to know about it? Do you know EBomey?
I'm really good friends with him and he has owned one for a long time and it's a Wonder finish rounded top to boot. As you can see in this video he has the old red follower magazines (problematic) and I told him to switch it to K10's. I don't know if he actually did, but I will send him a message for an update.
IMHO, Stay with fullsize current metal frame on up with Tanfoglios.
;D Oops, I noticed I didn't mention that I purchased this and it's on the way. And was just bragging. Kinda changes the whole tune of the conversation! Sorry about that. lol.
Pictures and a report when you get it :D
I'm wondering what it has for spring assembly and magazines. I started with a Polymer frame Witness 10mm and bet I could make it run now.
Reply from E:
No on the mags.
Runs perfect in Stock setup. No cracks .. That problem seems to be with the all steel version.
I also just ordered one. Can't wait to get my hands on it.
Quote from: Intercooler on March 31 2014 07:02:47 AM MDT
Reply from E:
No on the mags.
Runs perfect in Stock setup. No cracks .. That problem seems to be with the all steel version.
I gather you're saying from the all steel version means it has the rounded slide? I thought the rounded slide was the culprit all along, and not the frame.
danwe: You getting the same one I got?
No, I thought it was. Mine is the 12 round version.
The wonder finish slide has been a problem, but a few compact steel frames have cracked too. You should be okay in the polymer version.
Got it. Cleaned and oiled it, grabbed four different types of ammo, and headed to the range.
It's a pretty nice looking gun. The polymer frame is very nicely done and looks like a quality piece. Excellent. My first impression was the weight. It is light! I dropped it on the scale to see if it's actually 27oz, and oops, it's not. It weighed in with an empty magazine at 29oz and 26oz with no magazine. The width of the slide is the same as my StockII at just under 1" (.991). The grip is narrow for a double stack 14+1, and certainly narrower than the StockII. An interesting point is that the left side has no roll marks, ads, nothing except some tiny manufacturer's stamps. The right side has the usual read warnings bit, but that's it.
It's definitely small and light enough to toss into a bag or car and not worry about damage like the 'shiny' high end Tanfos, like my StockII (I'm always so cautious when I take it out for exercise!). Another 'feature' is that I can use my other full size K2 magazines. Very nice, since the Witness only came with one. The trigger is nicer than you'll find on a stock CZ, unless it's out of the Custom Shop. There's much less takeup than a stock CZ, but the break is just as clean. Either way, it could stand a little polishing and tweaking if you're into that kind of thing. I'll end up working the sear and hammer catch to get a crisper break, but won't go crazy with this one.
When I picked it up I headed back home to clean it up and oil it before heading to the range. I noticed right away that the recoil spring was a dual setup running twin intertwined springs, just one a little larger than the other. The larger one looked whacked, like you'd see when you reverse wind a spring and it balloons out. It also did not look like a quality spring setup. At least the guide rod is steel? So I headed to the range with some 10mm's and a couple 9's in tow, a bunch of ammo and a twenty dollar bill for the fee. I started right off with the new Tanfo. I ran PMC Bronze 170gr JHP, PPU 180gr FMJ, HPR 165gr FMJ (HBFP, whatever that stands for), and Underwood 180gr TMJ (1300fps). There were no issues cycling any of it, even when I felt the recoil spring snap. It was that larger one that looked hacked up. So now I'm running on one light spring, but still no cycling issues. It was a very strange feeling. You take the shot and you actually feel the slide cycling into position for the next shot. Like slow motion. But it kept cycling! LOL (http://tanfoglioforum.com/Smileys/tanfoglio/main_ohmy.gif) I did have to hit the back of the slide once to nudge it into place. That single spring could barely cycle the slide, but it still cycled. Amazing is what I'm thinking.
The ammo felt pretty good. Of course the Underwood was the obvious bully of the group, but the others weren't too shabby. I had some Armscor that I didn't take, but should have for a better comparison since I've shot a ton of that stuff. All and all, the ammo used was certainly stronger than a 40 cal, yet the recoil was very manageable on that lightweight 10mm. Except for the Underwood, I could shoot 5 round taps and stay on target (close range).
I got back home and replaced the recoil spring(s) from my StockII test stash, cut to size and tested by feel to match the 18 lb spring in my StockII. Feels great now and that's yet another excuse to head back to the range with another $20 bill and more ammo! That's what retirement is all about!
It sounds very good then! Did you snap a couple of pictures of it?
Here's a pic. The rest can be seen in an album @ Witness P-F 10mm Album (http://www.commonbullets.com/jalbum1/Guns%20Not%20Roses/Tanfoglio%20Witness%20Polymer%2010mm/index.html)
(http://tanfoglioforum.com/uploads/eaa_pics/Witness%20P%2010mm_11s.jpg)
That kills me! I have to get out of this State so I can get one ???
I would run a single spring as well. The parts look pretty good to me and the fact it takes the K10 14 rounders is a win!
Quote from: Intercooler on April 06 2014 08:28:31 PM MDT
That kills me! I have to get out of this State so I can get one ???
It's not that far to NC!! ;D
I know and I would do it in an instant. It's my Wife :o
StockIIBoss, that's a sweet looking pistola. I received my 12 round P compact Friday and sent the magazine back to EAA today. It came with the Tanfoglio mag with red follower >:(. The mag had a lot of slack in the magwell, and when I gripped the grip my pinky finger moved the magazine. This was causing rounds to nosedive into the feed ramp resulting in FTF's. I took the K10 mag out of my StockI and it fit very good in the compact. I hope EAA has K10's in the 12 round version.
Quote from: danwe on April 07 2014 11:20:48 AM MDT
StockIIBoss, that's a sweet looking pistola. I received my 12 round P compact Friday and sent the magazine back to EAA today. It came with the Tanfoglio mag with red follower >:( . The mag had a lot of slack in the magwell, and when I gripped the grip my pinky finger moved the magazine. This was causing rounds to nosedive into the feed ramp resulting in FTF's. I took the K10 mag out of my StockI and it fit very good in the compact. I hope EAA has K10's in the 12 round version.
I think I have a computer problem...'cause I can't see any pics of your gun on here! LOL. Want me to send you the bear? :))
Mine does have the advantage of using my other K10 mags, so that's a nice bonus. I'm heading back over to the range in just a bit to test out the new recoil spring.
If the 18lb. spring works for you I will try it. I have one that I bought for my Stock I that I'm not using. It'll probably next week before I get my mag back. Oh yeah, the pics of your new addition is some very nice photography work.
I really think I want this one with the K10 14 rounder. Lot's of fire-power in a small package with a good grip. You could customize it a bit with a heart hammer and possibly different sights if the front is a standard piece.
Quote from: danwe on April 07 2014 01:27:56 PM MDT
If the 18lb. spring works for you I will try it. I have one that I bought for my Stock I that I'm not using. It'll probably next week before I get my mag back. Oh yeah, the pics of your new addition is some very nice photography work.
I headed to the range today. The gun was great! The spring kinda 'feels' like 18lbs, but not really sure, but if you find an 18lb I'd go for it. May want to try a 20 as well. I'm still a bit miffed about Tanfo's use of those twin light springs. I had a couple feed issues. Ramp jambs with hollow points, but I haven't polished that yet. I'm sure a little tweaking and it'll be fine. Overall the gun is solid and dependable, but I want to run a few hundred more rounds thru it just to make sure.
I suppose it will hold up as long as any other poly frame gun. The rails on the frame look pretty substantial, even though they're just single pairs front and back. All the other manufacturer's do the same thing, so not too worried about it.
I worked on the sear just a bit to polish it up, but haven't touched the hammer hooks yet. The angle is too steep for my taste, so I'll change that just a bit so the hammer isn't moving rearward while the sear is moving. That's done for safety reasons, but a little tweaking will make a big improvement in the trigger's feel. I most likely won't reduce the hammer hooks distance for that super 'icicle crisp' break since this won't be a competition target pistol, but a little here and a touch there can really make a difference over stock.
BTW, for those reading this, if you haven't 'tuned' your trigger before, you can really mess this up, so make sure you have the proper tools (jigs n such) and some knowledge. Just don't go free-filing on those parts. LOL :o That's my disclaimer and I'm sticking with it!
Quote from: Intercooler on April 07 2014 03:21:38 PM MDT
I really think I want this one with the K10 14 rounder. Lot's of fire-power in a small package with a good grip. You could customize it a bit with a heart hammer and possibly different sights if the front is a standard piece.
I checked, and yep, they're still available. :D BTW, even at a lightweight 29oz, it's a good feeling shooter. You will be amazed.
That get you? haha.
I still think I would plop a 20-22lb spring in there.
Have you given any thought to putting the DPM setup in there? It looks like they make one to fit... I run it in our XD.
http://dpmsystems.com/onlinecatalog/#/12/zoomed
Glad the 18lb. spring worked for you StockIIBoss. I do not like the dual spring setup. I'm going to try the 18lb. the next time I shoot. The weather cleared and warmed up here this afternon so I headed to the range. I took the K10 mag. from my Stock I and 50 rounds of American Quality 180gr. fmj. With the K10 mag. I had a flawless outing. I really like the way the P compact performs.
Any thoughts on running the DPM system? I'm an experimenter and would if I owned one.
Quote from: Intercooler on April 09 2014 03:50:27 AM MDT
Any thoughts on running the DPM system? I'm an experimenter and would if I owned one.
Not so sure about the 'one fits all' offerings. The same system is used whether for a 9mm or 10mm. Whatcha think?
I would call and ask. They should be able to offer a spring option.
My next purchase for my P compact will be a Wolff calibration spring kit. The recoil isn't bad enough for me to put a $100 recoil system in it.