I think the growth of the 10mm is really expanding. at my work in a department with about 20 people we have 4 folks with glock 20's. not bad for a communist state!
Shooting sports have grown immensely over the last decade. It is reasonable to assume that as those shooters mature they will seek out better performing cartridges, which should lead them here in handguns. :D
Very nice mag360. In my dept with several hundred to a thousand or more, I would bet that I'm the only one with a G20 or any other 10mm. And, I'm in Florida where they issue us a CCW with each lottery ticket purchase :))
Quote from: DAVIDF on February 20 2014 12:44:43 PM MST
I'm in Florida where they issue us a CCW with each lottery ticket purchase :))
Yeah, well, I'm here in Utah and they issue a CCW, but they don't do Lotto Tickets
I do wish they has a better CCW Program though
'couse we've lost some Reciprocity because of it
We have over 1,000 members in a short amount of time, and I've never advertised this site anywhere. It's spreading strictly by word of mouth. I was surprised the other day when someone I work with, without knowing I'm into 10mm said to me "I'm thinking about buying this Glock 20 10mm at a gun store I saw the other day." Hopefully I was able to convince him to do it.
Reading the other forums and message boards scattered around the internet, whenever someone asks for advise on what the best cartridge to buy for woods protection or carrying around town, someone will always bring up the 10mm, even people who don't own 10mm will say 10mm is the best, if they know anything about guns and are halfway honest anyway. My hope is those kinds of comments will lead people to start researching for themselves, which will lead them here this this website and we can convince them. The more there are of us, the more the manufacturers will listen when we ask for more 10mm!!
I've been wanting a 10mm for several years now and since the Mrs. and I are riding our bikes down the trails of the Great Dismal Swamp in both Va. & N.C I wanted something extra, 9mm & 45acp work fine against 2 legged critters but with spring around the corner black bears with cubs are out. Now you folks out west are laughing as your bears are much bigger, but a sow with cubs is still a bear with an attitude. 16rds of 10mm and two 15 rd mags are cheap health insurance.
ps 10mm is NOT in the Obamacare plan :o
Quote from: mag360 on February 20 2014 07:57:51 AM MST
I think the growth of the 10mm is really expanding. at my work in a department with about 20 people we have 4 folks with glock 20's. not bad for a communist state!
Ya, I mentioned in a post I have up in regards to the 10's new surge in popularity. With Companies introducing new 10mm offerings (ie. STI, and Nighthawk, among others), not to mention a bunch of new ammo listings, it is well on it's way!! Amen, I have been a huge fan of the 10 since '88 when I bought my first Delta Elite after reading an article by Col. Cooper (R.I.P.).
Yes, and STI just introduced the Nitro 10 1911 pistol.
I have a buddy that just purchased two .45 ACP 1911's. He tells me his next pistol will be a 10mm. And...he hasn't fired my G20. Yet..
Got one on the hook for a Gen 3 fullsize. Just gotta finish reeling him in and onboard.
I think if SIG, Walther, Springfield, and FN would chamber guns for this cartridge. It would take-off exponentially.
Well, Springfield did offer their Omega in 10mm in the late 80s
It had the Peters Stahl Linkless design
https://www.google.com/search?q=omega+10mm&lr=&sa=X&hl=en&as_qdr=all&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ei=6xUIU-uLOqOWyAHhpoH4Dg&ved=0CEYQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=643
This is my 100% true honest opinion on why the 10mm hasn't become very popular:
I believe that the firearms manufacturers are biased. I think that the very people that design the guns push their own agenda based on what they like. These guys are diehard .45 and .40 fans. They are scared of producing something and ADVERTISING it in a way that will push their beloved .45 and .40's aside. They make small runs of 10mm guns here and there and jack up the prices to keep it to a small group of collectors. The average gun owner isn't going to spend $4,000 on a Dan Wesson Titan 10mm or even a $1,000 Delta Elite when a .45 1911 can be found at any gun shop for $500. We all know about EAA because we researched anything and everything about 10mm's and learned that they import Tanfoglio's. But the average gun owner isn't going to even know what EAA is. EAA doesn't advertise anywhere that I've seen. And when the average gun owner thinks about a Glock they think .40 or 9mm, and that's what they usually buy. This agenda is pushed by gun salesmen too. Whenever I go to a gun store and ask if they have any 10mm guns or ammo, I always get the same question "Why would you want to shoot that? .45 or .40 are much better." And if I try to talk ballistics, they just say "Can't beat a 1911 in .45, it's a fact."
I got the same question at the range by one of our "gun guru's" when I submitted my 20SF for off duty qualification.
The "gun guru" asked, "Why the ten?" as he looked at me with distrust in my knowledge and abilities. I quickly replied that the 10 mm will throw a 180 grain bullet at 1300 fps, a 155 grain bullet at 1500 fps, and a 200 grain bullet at 1200 fps. I then explained that the .40 S&W couldn't touch these figures.
He had no answer.
James Yeager says all defensive pistols should be standard pressure and Glocks. Those kinds of comments don't help any other offerings with a boost. What the 10mm lacks is a person doing, showing and talking the 10mm up. The best we have so far is Razor Dobbs :o and maybe Nugent ???
It doesn't get much better than Ted Nugent. Maybe if Ted would go on an "all out" 10mm media boast it would help our cause.
After all, Ted Nugent could be dropping in here every now and then.
Uncle Ted loves to "Glock'em" His 10mm is for sure not factory, wonder what he has done to it
Well in this current political climate if there is another ammo scare/run the hoards go after the common rounds. We seen from last insanity that 10mm was available while the other rounds were crying out for more.
I have been wanting 10mm for a long time, but never really liked the fat feel of of glock. I really wanted a gun that I didn't care if it got banged up in the woods so the delta was out. It was down between the EAA and RIA, since I am a big 1911 fan the RIA was it. I found this forum through a simple Google search and it was the top result. I was just looking for some reloading info and I liked what I saw so I joined. I do frequent a few other forums, but I try to keep membership down because it takes alot of time to be a active member on any forum.
Maybe we should start a promotion in the unfriendly to gun states that limit magazine capacity.
If your limited to ten, might as well make it ten 10's!!!
Could it be that uncle Ted is a lurker??? Maybe he's offended on how far down the power chart his ammo placed :P
Greg
Grim reaper has nailed it they sell to many 9's and 40's to care about 10mm. And razor is now king of the 10mm hunting. It use to be Ted but not any more. And I was watching Ted one day shooting man size targets with his glock20 at 100yards and he said all his glocks are stock.
Quote from: Intercooler on February 22 2014 04:31:12 AM MST
James Yeager says all defensive pistols should be standard pressure and Glocks
And the World is flat and the Sun and Stars revolve around the Earth
Yeah, I believe everything HE says too
Ted also has an STI Perfect 10 and a Wilson Combat Hunter:
Is it just me, or does Ted's haphazard handling of his Pistols in these Videos kinda concern you ?
It's not just you. I noticed it as well.
Nothing too bad, but noticeable just the same.
Quote from: 4949shooter on February 22 2014 12:54:46 PM MST
It's not just you. I noticed it as well.
Nothing too bad, but noticeable just the same.
Its not everyone that can claim they accidently shot themselves :o
Greg
Quote from: Geeman on February 22 2014 01:19:38 PM MST
Its not everyone that can claim they accidently shot themselves :o
Greg
Or their Camera Guy ! ! ! :o
I didn't see him sweep the camera guy.
He does unload the STI and point it at himself with slide forward and hammer back in the first video, thus breaking rule #1.
Quote from: 4949shooter on February 22 2014 08:23:53 PM MST
I didn't see him sweep the camera guy.
He does unload the STI and point it at himself with slide forward and hammer back in the first video, thus breaking rule #1.
Well, ok fine, maybe not to his right, but I wouldn't have wanted to be in front of the Bronco, or anywhere to his left :P
Quote from: DenStinett on February 22 2014 09:21:16 PM MST
Quote from: 4949shooter on February 22 2014 08:23:53 PM MST
I didn't see him sweep the camera guy.
He does unload the STI and point it at himself with slide forward and hammer back in the first video, thus breaking rule #1.
Well, ok fine, maybe not to his right, but I wouldn't have wanted to be in front of the Bronco, or anywhere to his left :P
He does seem a little haphazard. I like Ted, but I would be reluctant to show that video to one of my boys due to the rule #1 violation. Gotta set the right example!
I am still glad he is a 10mm proponent though. And he can afford all those fancy, high end 10mm's that I can't afford. :P
Quote from: 4949shooter on February 23 2014 03:22:30 AM MST
I am still glad he is a 10mm proponent though. And he can afford all those fancy, high end 10mm's that I can't afford. :P
I know he's gotta be shoppin' for a DW Titan next
Wish I had 1/10th his disposable cash
I was just lurking M4carbine.net and in a thread about do-it-all handguns the 10mm was mentioned every other post. I don't remember 10 mm being so well-known, and I think I have to blame a certain 10 mm fan who calls himself Hickok45 for that. The man has almost a million followers who see him enjoying 10 mm, and what better motivation is there to want something other than seeing it? Remember how .44 mag became the big bore revolver round of choice? It wasn't some gun rag praising its virtues, it was Dirty Harry. Millions saw the movie and thought "damn, that's cool! I want one, too!". Today kids and young adults see Hickock45 and have the same thoughts about the guns he shoots and talks about in his videos.
If I were still living in the US I'd give my Sphinx and a crate of ammo to Hickok for an extensive video review, I bet that would result in thousands more 10 mm being sold.
Marc, it was the picture of your Sphinx, that sparked my interest to try an find one, so much so I contacted the factory about getting one...no such luck! :( It was something different, sleek, functional and not a 1911 copy! Man I wish I could obtain one chambered in 10mm! :-[
Quote from: Marc on February 25 2014 08:03:30 PM MST
I was just lurking M4carbine.net and in a thread about do-it-all handguns the 10mm was mentioned every other post. I don't remember 10 mm being so well-known, and I think I have to blame a certain 10 mm fan who calls himself Hickok45 for that. The man has almost a million followers who see him enjoying 10 mm, and what better motivation is there to want something other than seeing it? Remember how .44 mag became the big bore revolver round of choice? It wasn't some gun rag praising its virtues, it was Dirty Harry. Millions saw the movie and thought "damn, that's cool! I want one, too!". Today kids and young adults see Hickock45 and have the same thoughts about the guns he shoots and talks about in his videos.
If I were still living in the US I'd give my Sphinx and a crate of ammo to Hickok for an extensive video review, I bet that would result in thousands more 10 mm being sold.
When it first came-out, Sunny Crokett and his BrenTen was my motivation to look into the 10mm
Quote from: DenStinett on February 25 2014 08:55:22 PM MST
When it first came-out, Sunny Crokett and his BrenTen was my motivation to look into the 10mm
I'm a mid-80's, early 90's kid, so I only got to see reruns of MV. It was actually Vtlor's announcement of the Bren Ten revival that got me interested, and when they failed to deliver I looked for other full size, all steel pistols. The availability of a 10 made me choose the Sphinx 3000 over a SIG X-Five, and I decided to buy once, cry once just in time for the last iteration of the 3000 series before they discontinued it for the small frame SDP. Lucky me.
Anyways, you US-based owners of handsome 10 mms should offer internet gun celebrities a review of your prized possessions. More exposure to awesome 10 mms = more 10 mm fans.
In the late 80s, I looked at the BrenTen....Couldn't afford it
Looked at a Delta (Combat) Elite....Couldn't afford that either
Got talked out of the S&W 1006....Huh ?
Got talked into a Glock 20....Bought it....Turned-out, I really hated it ! ! !
Not long after that, I traded-off the G20 (at the old LA Gun Show) along with $100.00 and ended-up with my (then NIB, Blued) Delta Gold Cup....Yeaah
I enjoy and like my Gen3 G20, but really wish I had the money to get a Barsto, Fusion or STI in 10mm. :( Hoping that sometime this year a Tanfoglio will follow me home. Maybe an EAA Hunter will tag along.
I think the popularity is slowly growing also, especially with handgun hunters. I just wish the name brand ammo makers would wake up to the demand and stop making weak as rounds for the same or more than Kevin charges for nuclear ones. IMO, Hornady is likely our best hope for a good midrange/warm round options for reasonable prices. It is hard on the pistol to shoot Underwood stuff predominantly, but I just can't justify spending the same amount of money on crappy stuff. PPU for plinking is fine, but it is very important to practice with rounds as close as possible in velocity and felt recoil as one's chosen defense/carry rounds.