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10mm Ammuntion => Factory 10mm ammo => Topic started by: Intercooler on July 16 2012 07:39:18 PM MDT

Title: Thunderbird Cartridge Company
Post by: Intercooler on July 16 2012 07:39:18 PM MDT
    I received it today:

(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/205223_421293431242028_140191919_n.jpg)

Kind of weird packaging.

Has ELD headstamp? Anyone know what that is? The brass doesn't look polished so bet they are reloads. Also whatever primers they install has a blue haze around it.

(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/561054_421293674575337_1766234508_n.jpg)


I will test them out tomorrow. Anything over 1000 FPS I would be shocked.  ;)
Title: Re: Thunderbird Cartridge Company
Post by: sqlbullet on July 17 2012 09:54:36 AM MDT
I wonder if that blue haze is some kind of primer sealant.

And, was it mixed nickel and brass cases?
Title: Re: Thunderbird Cartridge Company
Post by: DM1906 on July 17 2012 10:02:34 AM MDT
ELD is PMC.  The US company HQ is in Colorado, but the brass is probably Korean.
Title: Re: Thunderbird Cartridge Company
Post by: The_Shadow on July 17 2012 10:04:54 AM MDT
Here is where you can find almost any cartridge head stamp!
http://cartridgecollectors.org/?page=headstampcodes (http://cartridgecollectors.org/?page=headstampcodes)
Title: Re: Thunderbird Cartridge Company
Post by: Intercooler on July 17 2012 03:06:15 PM MDT
Great info there! David Sneed saw it and said it was Eldorado/PMC. Your link confirms it!
Title: Re: Thunderbird Cartridge Company
Post by: REDLINE on July 18 2012 12:04:38 AM MDT
Quote from: The_Shadow on July 17 2012 10:04:54 AM MDT
Here is where you can find almost any cartridge head stamp!
http://cartridgecollectors.org/?page=headstampcodes (http://cartridgecollectors.org/?page=headstampcodes)

Thanks for posting the link.  About the only word that comes to mind is;  Wow. :o
Title: Re: Thunderbird Cartridge Company
Post by: Intercooler on July 18 2012 03:12:57 PM MDT
Well Well Well. Don't judge a book by it's cover and same for ammo! They don't tumble it pretty, but after the first shot I knew it was strong. Here is that first shot BTW:

(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff100/Intercooler2/20120718_152906.jpg)

It shot really well so I did long strings to see exactly what we had.

Out of the 4.75" Match: 1257, 1350, 1309, 1273, 1304, 1289, 1264, 1362, 1320, 1293. Average = 1302.1 FPS/ 677.50 LBS. In the 600 Club!

Had to put some through the 1911!

Out of the 5" Razorback: 1347, 1322, 1282, 1368, 1327, 1374, 1359, 1384, 1343, 1381. Average = 1348.7 FPS/ 726.86 LBS.


Shot from the end of the session:

(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff100/Intercooler2/20120718_164742.jpg)


Title: Re: Thunderbird Cartridge Company
Post by: sqlbullet on July 18 2012 03:22:45 PM MDT
That is some good sauce.  Buffalo Bore numbers for 180 as I recall.
Title: Re: Thunderbird Cartridge Company
Post by: Intercooler on July 18 2012 03:31:03 PM MDT
Ran two GAS Ammo 180gr JHP's over out of the Razorback too:

1195, 1210. Average = 1202.5 FPS/ 577.82 LBS.
Title: Re: Thunderbird Cartridge Company
Post by: Noatak on July 19 2012 10:31:34 AM MDT
Thanks for the info and the range report/Chono results!  Great to see another source for 10mm ammo.  Unfortunately his shipping prices are a bit higher than I'm comfortable with.  He wants $35 to ship 100 rounds of 10mm to Florida FedEx ground.  A little better if you buy more, shipping on 500 rounds is right under $50.  A bit too steep for reloads in my opinion.   I can get 1000 round cases of ammo shipped from J&G Sales in Prescott AZ for that price.  He must be in a little town, the shippers always stick it to you if you're not in a big city.   I wish I lived closer than the East coast.
Title: Re: Thunderbird Cartridge Company
Post by: Intercooler on July 19 2012 10:46:01 AM MDT
      Man I was pulling my hair (what little I have) out with these guys. I kept telling them your shipping calculator is messed up! I told them I put your own zip and it was $33. He either wasn't getting it or they are making money on the shipping too...but I finally said let me give you my FedEx and you ship it on my number. I haven't been able to see my charges yet but that is the route I took. I told them you won't sell much ammo unless you fix it!

    It costs nothing for UPS, FedEx and USPS accounts. You save money so I tell everyone get accounts!
Title: Re: Thunderbird Cartridge Company
Post by: sqlbullet on July 19 2012 10:58:16 AM MDT
Hazmat fee of some kind maybe?
Title: Re: Thunderbird Cartridge Company
Post by: Intercooler on July 19 2012 11:05:19 AM MDT
We spoke on the phone and he said their wasn't any on loaded ammo. He couldn't explain why his calculator is so jacked.
Title: Re: Thunderbird Cartridge Company
Post by: sqlbullet on July 19 2012 11:17:35 AM MDT
Yeah.  He is passing ounces where he thinks he is passing lbs, or someone fat fingered the packaging weight with the decimal wrong or something. His rates match up with shipping 70lbs not the 3-4lbs a box of ammo actually weighs.
Title: Re: Thunderbird Cartridge Company
Post by: Intercooler on July 19 2012 11:20:28 AM MDT
It's real jacked. For 100 rounds it was $33 shipping...I'm like no way!
Title: Re: Thunderbird Cartridge Company
Post by: Intercooler on July 25 2012 01:06:50 PM MDT
Shipping ended up being $21.25. That puts my total at $50 for 100 rounds. That's not horrible but I can get Armscor locally for the same price per box. I need to stay on the East Coast but people out West it's a good choice.

Title: Re: Thunderbird Cartridge Company
Post by: mg5000 on August 03 2012 04:15:47 AM MDT
I live right by this guy. I wonder if I could locally pick up some ammo from him. What were the numbers on this ammo again?
Title: Re: Thunderbird Cartridge Company
Post by: Intercooler on August 03 2012 10:25:06 AM MDT
Out of the 4.75" Match: 1257, 1350, 1309, 1273, 1304, 1289, 1264, 1362, 1320, 1293. Average = 1302.1 FPS/ 677.50 LBS. In the 600 Club!

Had to put some through the 1911!

Out of the 5" Razorback: 1347, 1322, 1282, 1368, 1327, 1374, 1359, 1384, 1343, 1381. Average = 1348.7 FPS/ 726.86 LBS.

If you pick some up get me some and I will pay you for them. They don't tumble the brass pretty but it shoots well enough.

If you stop by strike up a conversation and tell them they need to work on their shipping calculator and do a value box of 500. They should get a nice FedEx or UPS discount and could sell more ammo if they got it right!