I cross posted this on another forum, but got the idea here from Gangdog54.
Which do you prefer? A 1911 in .45 / 10mm or a Glock?
They both have their attributes, I think. Never having fired a 1911 in 10mm I will have to reserve judgment on that combo. As far as shooting .45 ACP in my Colt Commanders the recoil can be a bit stiff with full power defensive ammo though it is still controllable. With the wider grip of the Glock I can fire full power 10mm, and again the recoil is stiff but controllable. That having been said, in the stressful situation of a shooting, it might be easier to get a good grip purchase on a 1911. With the Glock, even with the SF model I have to concentrate on acquiring a proper grip which might not be so advantageous during a stressful situation.
To me, the 1911 Commander with full power defensive .45 feels like the recoil is similar to a Glock 20SF with full power ammo. Of course, the Glock helps spread the recoil around with the wider grip back strap, not to mention the increase in capacity.
Thoughts?
Well, I certainly prefer the feel of a1911, but feel doesn't take highest priority for me, so a Glock it is.
So what we be the highest priority for you compared to a 1911? Capacity? Reliability?
I have the Glocks and I can adapt to the grip and feel and make them work for my needs.
My feeling for the 1911 gun's has nothing to do with the gun itself! :o My dislike is the industry as a whole. >:D They continually pound people within every page and cover of the gun magazines and even TV ads, like it is the only gun to have. Everybody who produces guns makes a 1911 clones and they too continually push these copies out there without concern for other designs. Even with these CNC cut pistols, they continually rape the buyers pockets with exception of the RIA's.
I long for the day, that someone will make a great pistol that is not just a 1911 clone, chambered in 10mm. This is one reason I continually hound VLTOR about the Bren Ten remake. That Sphinx is very nice looking and great lines even though, like the TANG's, they to are a CZ knockoffs.
I'd like to see a similar shaped pistol, that is striker fired, with the only control being the trigger like that of the Glock. This allows the pistol to be put into action without fumbling around with any controls. That is one reason, I like the S&W1086 and S&W1046 design, nothing to disengage, just bring the gun to the shooting position and press the trigger.
What is needed is a strong well made gun, without the sharp edges to snag up, capacity like that of the Glock, triggers that are smooth and crisp, good reset (like a 1911...Oops did I say that?), enough slide mass, RSA's and chambers with enough case support to handle true 10mm performance ammo. DOA or Striker fired design, but with a smooth trigger shape, without any small safety pivoting tip. The price needs to be reasonable, say $800. Slightly more if all stainless steel of good quality, that will not deteriorate, rust or pit.
I don't think this is too much to ask for... ::)
Quote from: 4949shooter on February 16 2014 09:25:26 AM MST
So what we be the highest priority for you compared to a 1911? Capacity? Reliability?
I would put reliability and capacity above feel. You can always learn/train your way into being proficient with a gun, no matter the
feel of the gun.
Quote from: Rich10 on February 16 2014 09:32:22 AM MST
Quote from: 4949shooter on February 16 2014 09:25:26 AM MST
So what we be the highest priority for you compared to a 1911? Capacity? Reliability?
I would put reliability and capacity above feel. You can always learn/train your way into being proficient with a gun, no matter the feel of the gun.
True. I agree 100%.
Quote from: The_Shadow on February 16 2014 09:30:36 AM MST
I have the Glocks and I can adapt to the grip and feel and make them work for my needs.
My feeling for the 1911 gun's has nothing to do with the gun itself! :o My dislike is the industry as a whole. >:D They continually pound people within every page and cover of the gun magazines and even TV ads, like it is the only gun to have. Everybody who produces guns makes a 1911 clones and they too continually push these copies out there without concern for other designs. Even with these CNC cut pistols, they continually rape the buyers pockets with exception of the RIA's.
I long for the day, that someone will make a great pistol that is not just a 1911 clone, chambered in 10mm. This is one reason I continually hound VLTOR about the Bren Ten remake. That Sphinx is very nice looking and great lines even though, like the TANG's, they to are a CZ knockoffs.
I'd like to see a similar shaped pistol, that is striker fired, with the only control being the trigger like that of the Glock. This allows the pistol to be put into action without fumbling around with any controls. That is one reason, I like the S&W1086 and S&W1046 design, nothing to disengage, just bring the gun to the shooting position and press the trigger.
What is needed is a strong well made gun, without the sharp edges to snag up, capacity like that of the Glock, triggers that are smooth and crisp, good reset (like a 1911...Oops did I say that?), enough slide mass, RSA's and chambers with enough case support to handle true 10mm performance ammo. DOA or Striker fired design, but with a smooth trigger shape, without any small safety pivoting tip. The price needs to be reasonable, say $800. Slightly more if all stainless steel of good quality, that will not deteriorate, rust or pit.
I don't think this is too much to ask for... ::)
Maybe a Veltor with a Glock type trigger? I could be interested in one of these but I think the price would be out of my range.
Or a Smith 1000 series with greater capacity and a smooth and light DAO trigger? With the weight of a Glock? Sounds good!
My take is this, for what it's worth. 1911's are great guns, and everyone should have at least one in their battery. If you already own a Glock, then move into a 1911. Glock is the only 'tupperware' gun chambered in 10mm currently marketed, that I know of. Unless, 10mm is a deal-breaker, then get a .45 ACP by FN, S&W, or Springfield Armory etc. The 'Glock' wins over the 1911, for any number of stated-reasons: hi-cap, weather-resistant, reliable, convertible, and their attractive price-point. Don't get me wrong, some people carry their 1911's with impunity as a CCW. They aren't right for me, for any number of reasons.
How about the Springfield "Omega"? How does it fit in. Or doesn't it?
YES, Reliability has to be at the top
Capacity over Comfort ? ..... No, I can't buy-off on that one
If you're comfortable, you shoot better, so Capacity doesn't matter
If you shoot better, you miss less....ask Jerry Miculek
That's why I like the Witness, because it's the closest in feel to the CZ75
In my humble opinion, the CZ75 has a better natural feel than most any other Pistol out there
Wish I could afford a BrenTen and can't wait for the CZ97 in 10mm for that same reasoning
I don't know. When every single Glock I've eber handled seemed like I was hoding a brick with a bad angled piece of sewer pipe stuck into it.
I just like the feel of a 1911.
Do this simple test, take a Glock, and without aiming point it at your target. Lock your arm and then peer down the sights. Every Glock I did this with was pointed way high. I do it with a 1911, and them sights is pretty well lined up right on the money. So in a SHTF situation, I would trust my 1911 WAY more.
Have both. Carry both. Like my full-size 1911 for general use. My G29 always gets the nod when I need lighter and smaller.
I don't have a G20 (yet). If I did, it may or may not get more holster time than my 1911. The Witness is loads of fun to shot, and I would never trade/sell it. But, it is heavier, bigger and has less capacity than the 1911 (P16-40/10mm) and has a shorter barrel. So it rarely gets holster time.
That P16/40-10 is a keeper!
I posted else where on this sight, what I wanted for my next gun, and stated price and looks where not on the list. The model gun I carried in NY and than down for here for 30 years was a 79 or 80 modelS&W 59,9mm double stack mags with Pachmyer Combat Pac's - I've got short fingers and a large palm and being that 41 Mag to me was the perfect round so 10mm was the choice and the grip on the G20sf matched the 59 I'ed carried for ssooooo long now saying that I'm a military kid and have shot 1911's ALOT - but could never get to liking them even built a custom 1911 from scratch 1n 9mm it was a tac driver ( not by me ) it was A no go - packed it away for over27 years and last year gave it to my son. Now I will say buying the 29sf was a mistake - but fixed that with 15rd mags with the sleeve so the grip matched the 20sf
I love it now.
Doug
I have nothing against 1911's. I own a nice and reliable Ed Brown that I will never trade off. For me capacity is king and I see nothing wrong with the Grip of my 10mm Glocks or My EAA Witness. Just my 2 cents.
Quote from: gandog56 on February 17 2014 06:47:46 AM MST
I don't know. When every single Glock I've eber handled seemed like I was hoding a brick with a bad angled piece of sewer pipe stuck into it.
I just like the feel of a 1911.
Do this simple test, take a Glock, and without aiming point it at your target. Lock your arm and then peer down the sights. Every Glock I did this with was pointed way high. I do it with a 1911, and them sights is pretty well lined up right on the money. So in a SHTF situation, I would trust my 1911 WAY more.
I agree Dog
With your Eyes closed, hold a CZ75 out as if to aim it with only your Mind's Eye
Open your Eyes, you're so close to where you'd want to be aiming with Eyes open
Try that with a few Pistols, and see what you find
A lot of bad Grip Angles out there
And I'll bet most are Poly Framed Pistols too
I have tried this multiple times with all three platforms. Always works out about right for me no matter which of my guns I pick up.
That said, the grip is different on each gun. But each gun's natural geometry mean a different grip is ideal. I guess years of shooting and dry fire have just made them each so natural I don't notice or consciously think about it anymore.
While I own both, ABSOLUTELY 1911. I cant articulate why the 1911 feels so much better to shoot than my g20, it just does. I shoot the 1911 so much better than the block. For carry the 1911 gets carried 90% of the time while the g20 sees vary little carry time. Capacity is relevant in a firefight; but since I haven't been involved in one in quite some time I comfortable with my 8+1 and 2 backup mags.
Quote from: Dave84 on February 17 2014 06:04:45 PM MST
I have nothing against 1911's. I own a nice and reliable Ed Brown that I will never trade off. For me capacity is king and I see nothing wrong with the Grip of my 10mm Glocks or My EAA Witness. Just my 2 cents.
All I can say is it's a personal choice. They just feel wrong to me, a 1911 feels so right.