Hey guys, I see lots of traffic here compared to another 10mm forum I visited for quite some time. it looks like this is the current place to visit. I'm not a virgin to the 10, nor just looking at a gun to flip, but do request some advice from those of you more knowledgeable than me.
In researching a potential buy On a DEGC, I compared this one with another and have a question. I recently inspected one with a machine etched or stipled engraved serial number in digital format ending in E and it is the only one that I have seen. Is this E for enhanced from the custom shop or something or maybe just from the end of the run? Every other one I have seen has standard stamped serialization.
Second, if shopping a NIB unfired DEGC all paperwork and 2 mags with a very light take-down scratch in the trigger relief area what would some of you estimate it to be worth? I can only find one that has recently sold at auction to consider when looking at a price.
Not sure what the "E" is for
My Blued, 1991, Delta Gold Cup has the following Serial Number:
DG058**
No other letters or numbers
Again, it's Blued, not Stainless, which is about 90% of the DGCs I've seen:
Here's my Delta Gold Cup with its 22 and 9mm (Series 80) Conversions:
(http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h414/denstinettm14/Colt22lrColt9mmand10mm.jpg)
Oh boy, nice teaser photos! Very nice convertible options as well. :P
Both of the Gold Cups I mentioned are stainless, and start with DGO but one doesn't have the E at the end while the other does. And the fact that engraving isn't roll-stamped like all of the others ones I have looked at makes me wonder.
One has diamond pattern grips while the other has pebble grain grips. I understand they had some variations during this relatively short run, but there seems to be quite a few of these variations and I haven't seen anywhere where they are all identified!
Yeah, it's odd just how many different incarnations of Deltas there are
Be sure to post a pic or two when you settle on one
Quote from: 18436572 on February 13 2014 09:44:26 PM MST
Hey guys, I see lots of traffic here compared to another 10mm forum I visited for quite some time. it looks like this is the current place to visit. I'm not a virgin to the 10, nor just looking at a gun to flip, but do request some advice from those of you more knowledgeable than me.
In researching a potential buy On a DEGC, I compared this one with another and have a question. I recently inspected one with a machine etched or stipled engraved serial number in digital format ending in E and it is the only one that I have seen. Is this E for enhanced from the custom shop or something or maybe just from the end of the run? Every other one I have seen has standard stamped serialization.
Second, if shopping a NIB unfired DEGC all paperwork and 2 mags with a very light take-down scratch in the trigger relief area what would some of you estimate it to be worth? I can only find one that has recently sold at auction to consider when looking at a price.
the "E" does stand for enhanced but I do not believe the Custom Shop has anything to do with them, just some extra features.
If you are looking at one with a takedowm scratch, it is not NIB to my mind.
I recently bought a DEGC stainless, enhanced, and unfired. I paid $2000.00 shipped and that is too much really but they are hard to come by and going up. I just saw one on GB go for $2300+ and I do not think it was new.
This fella wants $1450 for his. I agree, my opinion is that with the scratch it is not NIB. I already told the fella that it's an expensive scratch for an otherwise NIB gun!
I am working through my brother, who I have learned is a sloppy inspector when it comes to details and am trying to get a better picture of the pistol before buying. It looks pretty evident in this blurry picture that there is a scratch in the trigger relief area.
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The picture is too blurry to tell anything. If the box matches the gun, all the paperwork is there, and the gun is truly unfired, which I really doubt, the gun is probably worth $1450 as an entry level collector. Colt Gold Cups hold there value and if you took good care of it, it will keep its value or increase with a moderate amount of shooting with light to medium loads only.
If you want a good shooter, I think you could spend the money a lot more wisely toward a different gun and get more bang for your buck.
JMO
You got my curiosity up so I researched it a little further. Here is what i have found on the 1911 Forum
I have an Enhanced Delta Elite, it has 3 dot sights, raised gold cup style rib, lowered and flared ejection port , high undercut front strap, commander style oval cut hammer, and a duckbill grip safety, I think thats all
My DEGCE has all these features. The one you pictured does not have the same hammer or grip safety as mine or as he describes.
I have no idea what that means.
There is an "Enhanced reliability package" available from the Custom Shop, but that is actual gunsmithing work on the pistol,
Even with the poor quality picture the gun does not look NIB to me.
I believe BEEMER offers some good advice that you could spend the money a lot more wisely toward a different gun and get more bang for your buck.
Quote from: BEEMER! on February 14 2014 10:05:12 AM MST
You got my curiosity up so I researched it a little further. Here is what i have found on the 1911 Forum
I have an Enhanced Delta Elite, it has 3 dot sights, raised gold cup style rib, lowered and flared ejection port , high undercut front strap, commander style oval cut hammer, and a duckbill grip safety, I think thats all
My DEGCE has all these features. The one you pictured does not have the same hammer or grip safety as mine or as he describes.
I have to handle locally a standard DE as well as the E-suffix gun (not the one pictured) has flared but not lowered ejection port, being a gold cup it has the raised rib, undercut strap barely shows under the wrap-around grip, skeletonized commander hammer, and the bigger duckbill safety. I had assumed these were all standard on the Gold Cup, compared to the standard DE I compared it with.
As for the pictured gun, so far you-all have for the most part confirmed my opinion. I asked for better pics so we shall see. I also asked my brother about any marring of the bolt from action cycling and got no response. I have been burned too many times by my brother's judgment when it comes to spending my money. Money may be better spent on the elusive 1076 S&W.
2 other guns are pictured here:
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Sheesh, finally got my bother to admit it is a scratch. As the saying goes, you can pick your friends...
Thanks for the input on the value of the gun, and also for learning about the variations. That might be worth starting a thread of its own on. :)
Quote from: 18436572 on February 14 2014 08:24:12 AM MST
This fella wants $1450 for his. I agree, my opinion is that with the scratch it is not NIB. I already told the fella that it's an expensive scratch for an otherwise NIB gun!
I am working through my brother, who I have learned is a sloppy inspector when it comes to details and am trying to get a better picture of the pistol before buying. It looks pretty evident in this blurry picture that there is a scratch in the trigger relief area.
That scratch is sickening.
Much more sickening if you are the owner of a NIB gun that has that scratch! Too many 1911's do, and I admit I am guilty of once doing this to one as well, even through I thought I knew better and took care while disassembling. >:(
The two DE's I have handled (not the one currently for sale) are both "used" by all means, with the GC looking like it rolled around in someone's glove compartment considering it is stainless to begin with. BUT, they had appropriate price-tags too. Some people don't see the difference between almost NIB, LNIB and NIB I guess. I wished the fella luck after getting testy about the details and taking more pictures. He'll sell it at a gun show he says, and he is likely right. I don't "need" one, I just want one, and the right one at that.