New 10's for testing are about at the end but if you come across a 600+lb rated 10mm I would love to hear about it! Those are in my opinion the only ones really worthy of testing considering what we have available.
These are your Elite suppliers for real 10mm ammo:
800lb Club
- Underwood Ammo
700lb Club
- Underwood Ammo
- Buffalo Bore
600lb Club
- Underwood Ammo
- DoubleTap
- Buffalo Bore
- Right To Bear Ammo
- Trident Ammo
- Parabellum Research Ammo
- Reed's Ammo
- MAC Ammo
- Grizzly Cartridge Company
- HPR Ammo
- Thunderbird Cartridge Company
- Precision Cartridge Company
- Atomic Ammunition
- Ted Nugent (Pearce Ammo)
- Cor-Bon
If Elite Ammo starts 10mm again they will be added.
Intercooler, I made the Master List a sticky for you...
This is the link from this topic to the sticky that contains the List link.
http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-10mm-ammo/10mm-factory-ammo-master-sheet/ (http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-10mm-ammo/10mm-factory-ammo-master-sheet/)
Thanks for the great spread sheet. :)
No problem and thanks!
I may do your Atomic's on down the road and some more PBR when they get them in stock. Also the Trident 155's if they ever have stock.
I really want to sort through the .44 Mag's the rest of the year since they have some weak and strong ones too. Also trying to find who in the ammo field can really propel a 158gr bullet out of a 4" GP100 >1300 FPS. So far not many!
Yes the commercial 357 loads are not what they use to be...I hand load for both 357 and 44, I have some 44's I need to get readings on.
Thanks for sharing and putting all that information together, along with the chronoing you have done, making it easier for us all to know where to turn next that still buy factory ammo!
You know I thought Buffalo Bore had more than one load in the 700's but no. Kevin has the field smoked and is a great guy on top of it all! 8)
Not to mention, with Buffalo Bore, dropping another 40-50 fps from the box flap claims when using a G20, being that the box flap claims are based on a 5" Nowlan barrel.
Is the Underwood "safe" in a Glock 29 with the stock barrel?
That all depends I think. If you have one of the old unsupported barrels it's probably a risk. Best way to tell is post up a picture of what you have for support.
I don't know that I would shoot Underwood in a Gen 2/2.5 Glock. I think they had upped the the support by Gen 3. The Glock hard core guys will fill me in I am sure if I am wrong.
Like Intercooler says, if you are concerned, post some pics of your barrel with a round in the chamber and we will all comment on what we think of support.
Or section a round with an angle grinder by removing a section near the head and see how it looks in the gun.
Quote from: Ascension on July 15 2012 05:48:16 PM MDT
Is the Underwood "safe" in a Glock 29 with the stock barrel?
According to Underwood it is perfectly acceptable. I've got some laying around here but haven't run it through the G29 yet. I think one of these weeks I'll pack up the G29 with some Underwood ammo and the chronograph and see how it does. My G29 is a Gen3.
Thanks guys my 29 is a late gen 3 and it has the factory metal guide rod so sounds like I'm ok. What spring weight should I be running for the hotter stuff?? Right now it has the stock factory spring. I run the Prvi wimp rounds on the range to get some cheap trigger time and most times carry with Hornaday 180 Hp's. I don't want to go so heavy I have issues with the lower powered rounds ejecting.
Quote from: REDLINE on July 15 2012 11:25:07 PM MDT
Quote from: Ascension on July 15 2012 05:48:16 PM MDT
Is the Underwood "safe" in a Glock 29 with the stock barrel?
According to Underwood it is perfectly acceptable. I've got some laying around here but haven't run it through the G29 yet. I think one of these weeks I'll pack up the G29 with some Underwood ammo and the chronograph and see how it does. My G29 is a Gen3.
Yep I checked out the site and saw that. What shocked me is that they don't recommended using their hotter stuff in the Colt Delta Elite?? After seeing that I guess that I can now scratch the Colt off my want list!
The Delta barrel is horrible!
Get a DW it's a better 1911.
The Delta Elite is a great base gun. If you have specific customizations you want, eg. I want a Schuemann barrel with an Ed Brown beavertail and thumb safety, and a Guncraft trigger...Well you get the idea. In this case a Delta Elite is a great choice becuase the frame and slide will definitly be to 1911 spec. Most custom builders I know want a Springer or Colt base gun. Many will accept Caspian frames too. They do this because the know the dimensions will be to spec, which means just fitting parts.
If you don't have specific requirements, then a Dan Wesson of Kimber is a better gun since they have a ramped barrel already and good upgrades to many other parts.
Quote from: Ascension on July 16 2012 09:31:39 PM MDT
What shocked me is that they don't recommended using their hotter stuff in the Colt Delta Elite?? After seeing that I guess that I can now scratch the Colt off my want list!
Yup, it left my want list too. After some pics of insanely poor chamber support in a Delta that Intercooler had posted I immediately felt the same.
Quote from: sqlbullet on July 17 2012 09:53:22 AM MDT
The Delta Elite is a great base gun. If you have specific customizations you want, eg. I want a Schuemann barrel with an Ed Brown beavertail and thumb safety, and a Guncraft trigger...Well you get the idea. In this case a Delta Elite is a great choice becuase the frame and slide will definitly be to 1911 spec. Most custom builders I know want a Springer or Colt base gun. Many will accept Caspian frames too. They do this because the know the dimensions will be to spec, which means just fitting parts.
If you don't have specific requirements, then a Dan Wesson of Kimber is a better gun since they have a ramped barrel already and good upgrades to many other parts.
How does Wilson Combat fit into the mix of being or not being to 1911 spec?
I don't know. I would be shocked to find they aren't. My information is from Steve at Mars Guns, as well as reading other gunsmiths comments either on their websites or in magazines.
I doubt many of them get a lot of requests to perform work on a Wilson as they are already quite custom.
I would not worry about it that much with a gun in that class. Part of what you are paying for is the name that will stand behind the gun, and that you won't need to do anything to it. If you have issues or want changes, contact Wilson. Their gun, their problem if it is not quite to spec.
Added Thunderbird to the 600LB Club. If you can get past the brass color it pops and is accurate!
Quote from: sqlbullet on July 18 2012 10:22:50 AM MDT
I don't know. I would be shocked to find they aren't. My information is from Steve at Mars Guns, as well as reading other gunsmiths comments either on their websites or in magazines.
I doubt many of them get a lot of requests to perform work on a Wilson as they are already quite custom.
I would not worry about it that much with a gun in that class. Part of what you are paying for is the name that will stand behind the gun, and that you won't need to do anything to it. If you have issues or want changes, contact Wilson. Their gun, their problem if it is not quite to spec.
Thanks. Any idea how decent the Wilson Combat 10mm chambers are for case support? Good for full-house loads?
Last I checked they were ramped barrel, full case head support in 9mm, 38 super, 40 S&W and 10mm. The 45 ACP was the traditional style.
Atomic Ammunition is a 600LB'r!
Quote from: sqlbullet on July 19 2012 03:04:20 PM MDT
Last I checked they were ramped barrel, full case head support in 9mm, 38 super, 40 S&W and 10mm. The 45 ACP was the traditional style.
Does it simply not matter so much with a 45 being a lower pressure cartridge, or is it a more of "who knows" kind of thing?
Quote from: REDLINE on July 27 2012 11:11:09 PM MDT
Quote from: sqlbullet on July 19 2012 03:04:20 PM MDT
Last I checked they were ramped barrel, full case head support in 9mm, 38 super, 40 S&W and 10mm. The 45 ACP was the traditional style.
Does it simply not matter so much with a 45 being a lower pressure cartridge, or is it a more of "who knows" kind of thing?
If for no other reason (21K PSI), it's enough. But, who knows?
Our first factory ammo member to the 600LB Club added. Winchester 175gr. Silvertips!
What were the numbers from the Winchester SilverTips... ???
One post down.
Ted Nugent (Pearce Ammo) barely made it in.
Armscor is out of the 600LB Club. BVAC doing the loading and it's all backed down now.
Quote from: Intercooler on August 23 2012 11:24:48 AM MDT
Ted Nugent (Pearce Ammo) barely made it in.
Sad, along with being an embarrassment to say the least.
Updated. Cor-Bon was added for their 600lb 135's.
I wish their 135 grain JHP were the same velocities.
Only 10 FPS. That's fudge factor.
I was going by these results. The difference was greater here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjsXvXEryDJjdFhsRUcwSHRUcktCMmhOMTVFa25xa1E#gid=0
I wouldn't worry. It could have been anything that day or an off batch.